Both the Hartman/Shaw and Danault/Kruger things have been compared ad nauseum.

I believe Danault wasn't moved because we had Kruger... Danault was moved because we had Hino/McNeil/Kero/Schmaltz/Hartman. Bowman had traded for Ladd a day sooner and at the time, so at the time we had Ladd/19/81, PAK, Panik, Kruger, TT, Shaw, and Mash. Bowman wanted to add some vets (Flash and Weise), and the cost was Danault and a pick.

Im sure when bowman called, he wasn't selling Danault. He probably made a first offer and when push came to shove, bowman said "I have 5 other prospects for the bottom 6 next year, and I can part with Danault to hoist another cup". Fast forward to now and its all in hindsight that it was the wrong move.
- gnosox1986

Hey man I have no problem trading prospects to go for the Cup. It didn't work out in the short or long term on the Danault trade. Just to note, Danault has been playing 1C for the last 4-5 weeks on a Top Eastern Conference Team. So, he is a C that can play on any line. I was just saying if we are comparing former Hawks with their current roster counterparts, I think Kruger vs Danault is a conversation to have.

Who would replace Crawford in the playoffs if he is injured??
- Al

I was being tonue in cheek Al, but probably the same minor league goalie if they had to give up Darling in a trade for any of the other guys available at the deadline. Don't they have a big Swedish guy down in Rockford?

I was being tonue in cheek Al, but probably the same minor league goalie if they had to give up Darling in a trade for any of the other guys available at the deadline. Don't they have a big Swedish guy down in Rockford?
- RickJ

Svedberg?

Bowman on Debrincat: http://www.chicagotribune...spect-20170201-story.html

58 years ago today, near Clear Lake, Iowa.

The Day the Music Died.
- StLBravesFan

Wow its been 58 years since Kurt Cobain died. ..........Iowa?

Wow its been 58 years since Kurt Cobain died. ..........Iowa?
- HamiltonHawk

Uhhhh....

Not disagreeing with that part at all. My comment was more on the ability to closeout teams. This giving up third period leads and not regaining them has been an issue the last 3-4 games. Prior to that there record was practically spotless...wasn't it like 84-0-5 or something ridiculous like that?
- HawkintheD[/quote


Yes believe you have the right number. Agreed there.

Think we are on the same page....I am hoping for the best (trade, deep playoff run) but the eye test just tells me this team can't get out of their way during at least some portion of EVERY game.

Not disagreeing with that part at all. My comment was more on the ability to closeout teams. This giving up third period leads and not regaining them has been an issue the last 3-4 games. Prior to that there record was practically spotless...wasn't it like 84-0-5 or something ridiculous like that?
- HawkintheD[/quote


Yes believe you have the right number. Agreed there.

Think we are on the same page....I am hoping for the best (trade, deep playoff run) but the eye test just tells me this team can't get out of their way during at least some portion of EVERY game.

The asking price for Hanzal shouldn't be so high. If other teams want to overpay, let them.

Uhhhh....
- StLBravesFan

I drive through Iowa a lot. Even up by Mason City, need to go stop by that memorial.

Sad refreshing that Holly's wife was pregnant and lost their child after the crash.

I love Hartman's game and I wish we could have BOTH Shaw and Hartman on a 3rd line with Moose/Kero/Kruger and causing mayhem at both ends of the ice. Hopefully Debrincat can evolve into an NHL Top 6 Winger in the next 2-3 years.


Here's another one for the board to discuss...

Philip Danault: 52GP 10 G , 17 A avg 14:40 TOI @ $912,500 Cap Hit

Marcus Kruger: 41GP 2 G, 8 A avg 14:07 TOI @ $3,083,333 Cap Hit
- EnzoD

Danault has never been a intricate part of Two Stanley Cup teams .Or done the team a favor when cap strapped . You have to pay for what has been accomplished in the past .
Would never have gotten by Anh with out his huge play shutting down their top line . And he scored a huge goal against Boston ,sometime it not how many but when . Danault was very good player ,and was a gamble to trade him .If it had worked out last year would anyone care . Hindsight is a wonderful thing , but not reality

Not debating or disagreeing with any of that but again was commenting more on the recent phenomenon of blowing leads in the third period...that is really a whole new wrinkle.
- HawkintheD

U r correct...That hasn't happened in years.

Hey man I have no problem trading prospects to go for the Cup. It didn't work out in the short or long term on the Danault trade. Just to note, Danault has been playing 1C for the last 4-5 weeks on a Top Eastern Conference Team. So, he is a C that can play on any line. I was just saying if we are comparing former Hawks with their current roster counterparts, I think Kruger vs Danault is a conversation to have.
- EnzoD

Hindsight is always 20/20. They went for the cup last year. They had a decent shot at it, just so happens the Central was loaded. It happens. I have ZERO issues with either trade because at the time they were necessary adds.

Danault didn't impress much here. he was OK. He was never going to be a top 6 player here with 19/15 down the middle. You needed 16 on a legit cup contender for the playoff run.

Prospect love on this board gets out of hand at times....Nordstrom, Morin, Danult, Dano, Teuvo......and yet who is haunting them? I think every GM in hockey takes Kruger over Danault TODAY.

I like seeing young players but I also get that your top 6 has 1 hole, and usually always does...before Saad left it was 2c, and now after getting AA for Saad, its 1LW.

ON D, their biggest problem is that 51 has taken a LOT of steps backwards. he's not a top 4 anymore. 57 sure as hell isn't. 6/42 are green. So 2/4 become your shutdown pair and you light a candle for 7 and whoever he;s stuck with and pray that the 3rd pair doesn't kill you.

I like 42 out of 6,42,57 long term. I would be dangling 57 NOW if I were Bowman, but that's just me. I don't see much for 57 and his value may never be higher.

[quote=HawkintheD]Not disagreeing with that part at all. My comment was more on the ability to closeout teams. This giving up third period leads and not regaining them has been an issue the last 3-4 games. Prior to that there record was practically spotless...wasn't it like 84-0-5 or something ridiculous like that?
- SteveRain[/quote


Yes believe you have the right number. Agreed there.

Think we are on the same page....I am hoping for the best (trade, deep playoff run) but the eye test just tells me this team can't get out of their way during at least some portion of EVERY game.

For sure. Coming into the season I thought they were going to make the playoffs but with 6 rooks winning it all was a lot to ask.

I'm hoping for the deep playoff run and because the West isn't as strong this year that still may be possible.

As far as trades, unless there is something that addresses needs for now and going forward I'm fine with them making a smaller move and then potentially rearranging some of the deck chairs after the season ends.

I was being tonue in cheek Al, but probably the same minor league goalie if they had to give up Darling in a trade for any of the other guys available at the deadline. Don't they have a big Swedish guy down in Rockford?
- RickJ

I think so...But haven't heard any rave reviews...There were some on here who thought Darling could be dealt during the season. Bowman doesn't need to take that risk...That could be a mistake he would be wearing forever if something happened to Crawford.

One thing that did stand out to me last night was Reider's speed and going to the corners. Also, as was noted before, Hanzal is a big guy and good at the dot.

Just throwing it out there for speculation... what about a package deal:

Kruger, good prospect, pick in 2017 and 2018

For

Hanzal and Reider

A shutdown center (potentially) with size and a speedy winger for the first line.

I agree with you. That said, Hanzal at the dot is one of those little things that add up to help us come playoff time. So I am torn on that one. I think he was on the PP yesterday. Is he also on the PK? Would not be a bad add....within trade return reason.
- onehundredlevel

Not directed at you specifically...

There seems to be a concern with Ansimov's face offs, while he has been showing signs of improvement but I get what people are saying. If we want a reasonably price rental who is good on face offs and can play on the PK there is a good option out there - Brian Boyle.

One thing that did stand out to me last night was Reider's speed and going to the corners. Also, as was noted before, Hanzal is a big guy and good at the dot.

Just throwing it out there for speculation... what about a package deal:

Kruger, good prospect, pick in 2017 and 2018

For

Hanzal and Reider

A shutdown center (potentially) with size and a speedy winger for the first line.
- 93Joe

I wonder if the Yotes would be interested in dealing Duclair, a change of scenary may do him good. Another kid who needs a change in scenary is Curtis Lazar. I think he was brought up before and I shot down the idea. But the more I think about it the more I think he could be a good acquisition - for the right price.

Not directed at you specifically...

There seems to be a concern with Ansimov's face offs, while he has been showing signs of improvement but I get what people are saying. If we want a reasonably price rental who is good on face offs and can play on the PK there is a good option out there - Brian Boyle.
- DarthKane

Yeah, Boyle...someone mentioned him before.

For sure. Coming into the season I thought they were going to make the playoffs but with 6 rooks winning it all was a lot to ask.

I'm hoping for the deep playoff run and because the West isn't as strong this year that still may be possible.

As far as trades, unless there is something that addresses needs for now and going forward I'm fine with them making a smaller move and then potentially rearranging some of the deck chairs after the season ends.
- HawkintheD

I'm with you......I'd love to see them land 9 out of CO but I just dont' see how. They don't have the assets and with a flat cap fitting him in next year would be very tough.

They could make a run....IMO your best chance would be

38-19-81---Hartman gives them that shaw dynamic that was successful last yr
72-15-88
48-16-14---enough fire power to be a threat
11-67- ----this line will be a disaster. Even if you plug in 70

2-7
4-51--reunite these 2 from past glory
57/42/6/32----figure 42 goes down when 32 comes back. How much can they squeeze out of 32? He and 6 as a 3rd pair I wouldn't mind ,as I would deal 57 for a bottom VETERAN wing for playoff push

That lineup could do some damage if they stay out of the box. Just tired of Q spreading out his talent. Need to maximize your best assets and IMO that's the best chance to do it.

Yeah, Boyle...someone mentioned him before.
- HawkintheD

Whoever that was, he sounds like a smart guy!

I wonder if the Yotes would be interested in dealing Duclair, a change of scenary may do him good. Another kid who needs a change in scenary is Curtis Lazar. I think he was brought up before and I shot down the idea. But the more I think about it the more I think he could be a good acquisition - for the right price.
- DarthKane

Not saying Mac Neil gets it done but another guy who would probably love a new zip code.

4 of the 5 top teams in goal differential are inn the metro; the other being the wild...

its possible 2 of the 4 metro teams will not escape the 1st round...

Hindsight is always 20/20. They went for the cup last year. They had a decent shot at it, just so happens the Central was loaded. It happens. I have ZERO issues with either trade because at the time they were necessary adds.

Danault didn't impress much here. he was OK. He was never going to be a top 6 player here with 19/15 down the middle. You needed 16 on a legit cup contender for the playoff run.

Prospect love on this board gets out of hand at times....Nordstrom, Morin, Danult, Dano, Teuvo......and yet who is haunting them? I think every GM in hockey takes Kruger over Danault TODAY.

I like seeing young players but I also get that your top 6 has 1 hole, and usually always does...before Saad left it was 2c, and now after getting AA for Saad, its 1LW.

ON D, their biggest problem is that 51 has taken a LOT of steps backwards. he's not a top 4 anymore. 57 sure as hell isn't. 6/42 are green. So 2/4 become your shutdown pair and you light a candle for 7 and whoever he;s stuck with and pray that the 3rd pair doesn't kill you.

I like 42 out of 6,42,57 long term. I would be dangling 57 NOW if I were Bowman, but that's just me. I don't see much for 57 and his value may never be higher.
- SteveRain

I agree accept for 57. I think the Hawks need him right now. While he isn't flashy, he isn't hurting this team defensively. He has been quietly blocking shots and breaking up plays since coming back from injury. Move him and the team is creating another hole on D. 42 isn't ready and 6 still hasn't gotten the North American game down yet. 57 is an upgrade over anything they have in Rockford too. There is a reason he plays every night. He is playing decent hockey.

4 of the 5 top teams in goal differential are inn the metro; the other being the wild...

its possible 2 of the 4 metro teams will not escape the 1st round...
- bogiedoc

Similar to central last year.

Nashville took advantage of the western path....knocked out Anh, and took SJ to 7.