That's why I just can't understand when people say we're set at this position or that position? The Canucks need an upgrade at EVERY position! Saying we've got our number one is like saying im ok with being just ok.

It's not a knock on Bo, it's just the reality of winning, you need great players to win, currently we don't have very many if any.

Benning is three drafts into his tenure, I'm just hopeful they don't overachieve and make the playoffs because the franchise really needs some good draft positions. It's tough, I hate when they lose but I want them to build...it's a double edge sword.
- LeftCoaster

I think they are looking solid on the back end. Demko and Gartieg are solid goalie prospects. They have a few good looking D now, and a couple decent forwards. I think upfront they certainly lack the top depth needed, particularly if guys dont pan out or injuries occur.

I do think though that Jim has done it right in building from net out (though lucky to get Hutton, Stecher and to some extent Tryamkin). I think those D being as good as they are already will possibly affect the timing of the team's construction. Fingers crossed though on these guys, but the future looks brighter than its been in ages

I cant even think that far ahead, thats the least of my concerns
- WhiteLie

Well, like I say, that's what I look at when I look at a rebuilding team. Can you win a cup with ________ as number one centre?

In this case, nope, don't think so. Not now, not ever.

You don't have your number one centre, even if he eventually creeps his way into the top 30 of scoring for centres.

Well, like I say, that's what I look at when I look at a rebuilding team. Can you win a cup with ________ as number one centre?

In this case, nope, don't think so. Not now, not ever.

You don't have your number one centre, even if he eventually creeps his way into the top 30 of scoring for centres.
- prock

By your standards neither do the Preds

By your standards neither do the Preds
- Nighthawk

Maybe why they're interested in Duchene?

Ya that is why I called them excellent 2 way Centres, not elite.
Elite and superstar terms get thrown around far to loosely. There are maybe 30 elite players in the league never mind 30 elite Centre men.
- Reubenkincade

It's all pretty subjective but I don't understand how you can classify Toews, Kopitar, Bergeron as excellent 2 way Centers but Stamko's and Tavares as Elite.

I do agree terms like elite and superstar do get thrown around too often as is franchise, generational, even foundational

In my books an elite player does something better than 99% of his peers consistently. If there is 360 forwards in the NHL at any one time that means you are top 4 top 5 in the league at that thing/things you do.

For Stamkos it is scoring goals, Tavares as well but also more just generally creating offense. For Toews, Bergeron, Kopitar it is a 200 foot game and on and on.

Maybe why they're interested in Duchene?
- LeftCoaster

Alteady cost Seth Jones to fill one hole & yes another C to fill the other hole.

Well, like I say, that's what I look at when I look at a rebuilding team. Can you win a cup with ________ as number one centre?

In this case, nope, don't think so. Not now, not ever.

You don't have your number one centre, even if he eventually creeps his way into the top 30 of scoring for centres.
- prock

I am not so sure thats the case anymore. As good as someone like Toews is, he is arguably not centering the Blackhawks' number one line.

You definitely need two centers on your roster though that can play on a top line if you wish to compete for a cup. I think Horvat in the short future could be the top line center on a number of NHL teams, but still means Vancouver needs another

I am not so sure thats the case anymore. As good as someone like Toews is, he is arguably not centering the Blackhawks' number one line.

You definitely need two centers on your roster though that can play on a top line if you wish to compete for a cup. I think Horvat in the short future could be the top line center on a number of NHL teams, but still means Vancouver needs another
- WhiteLie

When approximately 40mins r spread thru 2 C's most definitely is the case.

I am not sure if this was posted before but here is a Benning interview from last night's Dice and Ice

https://twitter.com/TSN10...status/826888511408238593

It talks in depth on Tyramkin, the draft , JV , Trades .It is a 16 min interview but it gives good insight of what way the team is heading.
- VANTEL

Thanks. Kind of a lot of what he has been saying for a while. Good to know nothing's really changed.

Sure.



They're unlikely to make the playoffs. They're on pace for 85 points, which would be a new record low for a team to make the playoffs since the OTL point. The only reason they're not extremely unlikely to make the playoffs is that the Western Conference has turned to crap and the 8th place team is on pace for 87. Tying a record low if it ends that way.

Even if they did make it, which is unlikely, they stand no chance against a top seeded team, which would currently be Minnesota.


Win two rounds? Jeez. Your GM is an idiot just for suggesting that.

The best thing that can happen to the Canucks is to bottom out.

And why would he expect to get a great pick around 20? the rate of players making the NHL at that point isn't great. Let alone being an impact player.



I really hope no one is interpreting this to mean that Tryamkin has Chara potential. If your GM is suggesting this, again, he's an idiot. Tryamkin is more Boris Valabik than Zdeno Chara. Valabik put up a whopping 5 points in 50 games, just like Tryamkin. And already had the meanness your coach looks for. If all goes well, he's a second pairing dman at some point in the future. No one should be mentioning him alongside Zdeno Chara. Just, NO. Nyet.




They should be selling. the team needs decent youth. Badly.
- prock

scram, you have no idea what your talking about, typical easterner.

Does 36 pts for a 1C make him a true 1C?
Is 32 pts for a 2C any good?
- Nighthawk

Not yearly but hard to say if Bo gets any decent line mates

It's all pretty subjective but I don't understand how you can classify Toews, Kopitar, Bergeron as excellent 2 way Centers but Stamko's and Tavares as Elite.

I do agree terms like elite and superstar do get thrown around too often as is franchise, generational, even foundational

In my books an elite player does something better than 99% of his peers consistently. If there is 360 forwards in the NHL at any one time that means you are top 4 top 5 in the league at that thing/things you do.

For Stamkos it is scoring goals, Tavares as well but also more just generally creating offense. For Toews, Bergeron, Kopitar it is a 200 foot game and on and on.
- belcherbd

Threw that out there to see what people thought elite was. I agree with you on your definition of elite. I do not consider a player elite though if they do only 1 aspect of the game extremely well ie: face offs, block shots or save %. Otherwise players like Sutter or Kris Russell would be deemed elite.

Like I said, sometimes it makes great players, but how many good young players in recent years have left teams to get away from those kind of coaches? Vancouver isnt in a position to risk losing talent because of a coach.

As for teaching role, I'll say the same thing I said to Nuck4U. Its the NHL, not a development league. If Willie isnt ready for the NHL, fire him and let him go learn it in the AHL. Players will not respect or perform under a coach that doesnt have full autonomy
- WhiteLie

The development is not for WD it's for the team and players. An added overview role that adds to what works and what type of system will beat other teams. HC involved with input and implementation.

The truth is probably inbetween, Horvat'll be a good #2.
- LeftCoaster

I agree. Even a high pick this season is likely only to give us a #2 C at best.. especially if we pick lower than 2.

Not yearly but hard to say if Bo gets any decent line mates
- manvanfan

The former is 24yrs old Ryan Johanson
The latter is 21 yr old BO
Both have played 50 games this season

So Prock goes on about a 1C yet his Preds r not scaring anyone
Well when your in bed early that happens

I agree. Even a high pick this season is likely only to give us a #2 C at best.. especially if we pick lower than 2.
- boonerbuck

I'm thinking maybe Cody Glass if a C or maybe BPA which could be D

Threw that out there to see what people thought elite was. I agree with you on your definition of elite. I do not consider a player elite though if they do only 1 aspect of the game extremely well ie: face offs, block shots or save %. Otherwise players like Sutter or Kris Russell would be deemed elite.
- Reubenkincade

Again debatable, but I agree not any one thing makes you elite but saying Toews isn't elite but Stamko's is doesn't make sense to me to use your example. They both do enough things really well and a few things at an elite level, just different things.

Malhotra was not an elite player but he certainly was an elite face off guy.

The former is 24yrs old Ryan Johanson
The latter is 21 yr old BO
Both have played 50 games this season

So Prock goes on about a 1C yet his Preds r not scaring anyone
Well when your in bed early that happens
- Nighthawk

He's not a pred fan you fool.

I'm thinking maybe Cody Glass if a C or maybe BPA which could be D
- Nighthawk

There are some OK centres after Patrick and Nico which we still need. To me, picking a D as BPA starts outside the top 10.

He's not a pred fan you fool.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Nor is he a Canuck fan so he's a fool as well 😜
Just a poser then.

There are some OK centres after Patrick and Nico which we still need. To me, picking a D as BPA starts outside the top 10.
- boonerbuck

About my range as well. I'm guessing we end up 8-12 if no PO's

Again debatable, but I agree not any one thing makes you elite but saying Toews isn't elite but Stamko's is doesn't make sense to me to use your example. They both do enough things really well and a few things at an elite level, just different things.

Malhotra was not an elite player but he certainly was an elite face off guy.
- belcherbd

Are you saying then then that you segregate into certain categories. Ie: 2 way like Toews Kopitar Bergeron Kesler being rated as elite 2.way centre's, Crosby just elite, Stamkos, Tavares types elite offensive centre's?
If using that type.of breakdown would Tanev not be considered elite as a defensive defenseman.

Are you saying then then that you segregate into certain categories. Ie: 2 way like Toews Kopitar Bergeron Kesler being rated as elite 2.way centre's, Crosby just elite, Stamkos, Tavares types elite offensive centre's?
If using that type.of breakdown would Tanev not be considered elite as a defensive defenseman.
- Reubenkincade

Tanev is a 2-3 D not a 1 is my opinion
Depends on the team he is on.

He's not a pred fan you fool.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Was waiting for this

I don't really see Bo becoming a better skater than Kesler.