Wrist shot of a 9 year old
- A_SteamingLombardi

that is good

For sure I know what you mean...but only half the teams in the league have a star number one so it may not happen for us. I'd be very pleased with two Horvat's leading the top lines.
- CanuckDon

If it doesn't happened, the Nucks will never win...that's just the reality of it. The Canucks will never win a Cup unless they upgrade every position, which means another Horvat or better.

Not really all that interested. I just can't help it. When I see....

Nikita Tryamkin progressing better than Zdeno Chara at the same age.
the Canucks hope to make the playoffs, and maybe win a round, or maybe make it to the conference finals.
If that doesn't work, we'll just pick up a quality NHLer with our 20th overall pick (which almost suggests a first round exit is worst case scenario this year)....

I can't help but think that someone is on drugs.
- prock

Ok lazy boy i'll straighten u out once again.
JB said more coordinated than Chara at the same point in time.
Chara was also in the AHL for 2 seasons.
U up to speed now?

I think he tops out as a 75'ish point player at his very best, that's my opinion. You wanna win a Cup, you'd better get another Horvat and have strong wings and defence or get yourself a true number one.
- LeftCoaster

Toews has a career high of 76 points, is he a true number 1 center?

I do get your point though in that I think Bo will be an excellent #2 or a low end #1. Like a Bergeron-type who is solid but not flashy and wont lead the league in points. BOS needed another good C in Krecji to succeed, Van needs someone like that to be the more offensive/skillful C

[quote=prock]He probably will add to those totals.

FYI, that's also partially because the Canucks have played more games than most, he's closer to 60 in terms of points per game though.


You and I must have different definitions of most. Canucks have played 50 games. 10 teams have played 49 or fewer

He probably will add to those totals.

FYI, that's also partially because the Canucks have played more games than most, he's closer to 60 in terms of points per game though.

It's still doubtful he turns into an elite centre. Doubtful is being quite kind for me. What was the last team to win a cup without an elite first line centre? Some of them have multiples......
- prock

Going by you and Lefty's ambiguous ceiling of 75 points, Boston and L.A x2.
Toews is right on that edge as well lol.

Ok lazy boy i'll straighten u out once again.
JB said more coordinated than Chara at the same point in time.
Chara was also in the AHL for 2 seasons.
U up to speed now?
- Nighthawk

Well then this right here:

Benning said JV is doing better , he doesn't care about his points. He is starting to hit and shoot more and will be part of the Canucks going forward. Very happy with progress.


They are hoping to make the playoffs and even win a round or two and still expect to get a very good draft pick in the top 20

Team plays very hard for WD . He likes what he sees.

TRyamkin and Stecher have exceeded expectations and are very happy with progress.He wants Tree to play meaner more often . He is ahead of Chara at that age except in meanness.

They will not be in on going after rentals . Pretty much expect to see this team until years end
- VANTEL

is a terrible summary, and the goggles doing belong your GM or the interviewer, they belong to the poster. Because

JB said more coordinated than Chara at the same point in time.
Chara was also in the AHL for 2 seasons.

- Nighthawk

became

TRyamkin and Stecher have exceeded expectations and are very happy with progress.He wants Tree to play meaner more often . He is ahead of Chara at that age except in meanness.

- VANTEL

If it doesn't happened, the Nucks will never win...that's just the reality of it. The Canucks will never win a Cup unless they upgrade every position, which means another Horvat or better.
- LeftCoaster

A lot of teams can say this exact same thing. if we found a better center than Bo, that would be the best case scenerio. if we find one as good as Bo, that is also amazing for us.

Toews has a career high of 76 points, is he a true number 1 center?

I do get your point though in that I think Bo will be an excellent #2 or a low end #1. Like a Bergeron-type who is solid but not flashy and wont lead the league in points. BOS needed another good C in Krecji to succeed, Van needs someone like that to be the more offensive/skillful C
- WhiteLie

You know he is, he won the Conn Smythe Trophy as a 22 year old and a Selke as a 25 year old. He also had a bunch of elite to very highend players playing with him. Toews sacrifices offensively to play a 200 foot game, similar to Kopitar, probably one of the reasons they have five Stanley Cups between them.

If you've got two Horvat's, great, but you'd better have some great wingers and a Norris caliber dman on your team as well.

My opinion.

You and I must have different definitions of most. Canucks have played 50 games. 10 teams have played 49 or fewer
- 7mmwsm

Well more than half of the centres ahead of him have less games played. And he's over 50th in terms of points per game.

Saying he's a borderline first line centre already is a bit aggressive/optimistic.

Toews has a career high of 76 points, is he a true number 1 center?

I do get your point though in that I think Bo will be an excellent #2 or a low end #1. Like a Bergeron-type who is solid but not flashy and wont lead the league in points. BOS needed another good C in Krecji to succeed, Van needs someone like that to be the more offensive/skillful C
- WhiteLie

Bergeron is possibly the best two way player of our generation though. Toews is (well, was) up there as well.

You know he is, he won the Conn Smythe Trophy as a 22 year old and a Selke as a 25 year old. He also had a bunch of elite to very highend players playing with him. Toews sacrifices offensively to play a 200 foot game, similar to Kopitar, probably one of the reasons they have five Stanley Cups between them.

If you've got two Horvat's, great, but you'd better have some great wingers and a Norris caliber dman on your team as well.

My opinion.
- LeftCoaster

If we pick in the top 10 we may be able to find another Horvat. We would be pretty set with 2 60 point centers.

edit. set at center. Desperatly need LW as well

The league has 14 teams between 49-56 points 2 teams at 58 an 2 bottom feeder teams. This is a league of mediocrity not parity.

Also, discussion about #1C, having to be elite. Personally I do not consider Bergeron, Toews, or Kopitar as elite, excellent 2 wat centre's yes, but not elite.
2 elite centre's in Stamkos and Tavares have yet to hoist the cup.
If all else fails 2 2nd lines is ok by me. It takes 4 lines and 6 defenseman and a goalie to win, as long as all are clicking.

You know he is, he won the Conn Smythe Trophy as a 22 year old and a Selke as a 25 year old. He also had a bunch of elite to very highend players playing with him. Toews sacrifices offensively to play a 200 foot game, similar to Kopitar, probably one of the reasons they have five Stanley Cups between them.

If you've got two Horvat's, great, but you'd better have some great wingers and a Norris caliber dman on your team as well.

My opinion.
- LeftCoaster

I was just poking

I would be really curious to see how he would perform if he needed to be the offensive player. He really hasnt gone more than 20 games in a season without Kane (and that year Kane finished 2 points back of him despite those 20 less games).

I think your last paragraph is pretty much the expectation of any cup team. Pitt, Chi, LA all have that Norris D, good wingers and really good depth at C. No surprises there

Does 36 pts for a 1C make him a true 1C?
Is 32 pts for a 2C any good?

Going by you and Lefty's ambiguous ceiling of 75 points, Boston and L.A x2.
Toews is right on that edge as well lol.
- Whiskey-Tango

I don't recall mentioning 75 points.....

Toews also had 48 points in 47 games, 68 in 76, and several playoffs in the point per game range. Kopitar spent several years in the point per game range, so did Bergeron (as well as Krejci on those teams).

And all 3 of those guys were at or near a point per game in their cup runs.

Interestingly enough, you're also referring to the three strongest defensive teams in recent history.

Not really great examples.

The league has 14 teams between 49-56 points 2 teams at 58 an 2 bottom feeder teams. This is a league of mediocrity not parity.

Also, discussion about #1C, having to be elite. Personally I do not consider Bergeron, Toews, or Kopitar as elite, excellent 2 wat centre's yes, but not elite.
2 elite centre's in Stamkos and Tavares have yet to hoist the cup.
If all else fails 2 2nd lines is ok by me. It takes 4 lines and 6 defenseman and a goalie to win, as long as all are clicking.
- Reubenkincade

3 of the best two way centres in the league, who were all still scoring at a point per game when they won the cup.

that's... you know... pretty good.

If we pick in the top 10 we may be able to find another Horvat. We would be pretty set with 2 60 point centers.

edit. set at center. Desperatly need LW as well
- CanuckDon

Yup....why I personally think it's just so important for this franchise to draft well. When you swing and miss with a top pick it hurts.

Bergeron is possibly the best two way player of our generation though. Toews is (well, was) up there as well.
- prock

Of course, I was going to call him Bergeron-lite, but really the focus was more on style of C. Bergeron is a #1 C but not in the way you look at a Crosby/Malkin/Backstrom/etc., I see Bo's progression along the 2-way type, we will just have to see where he peaks

More in depth stats for 2 non contenders....

1C has 8 goals 36 pts & is on the 1st PP
2C has 14 goals 32 pts on the 2nd PP

Who can name the above centres?

Of course, I was going to call him Bergeron-lite, but really the focus was more on style of C. Bergeron is a #1 C but not in the way you look at a Crosby/Malkin/Backstrom/etc., I see Bo's progression along the 2-way type, we will just have to see where he peaks
- WhiteLie

Sure, but again, they were all near the top of the league in scoring when they won the cup, as well.

I was just poking

I would be really curious to see how he would perform if he needed to be the offensive player. He really hasnt gone more than 20 games in a season without Kane (and that year Kane finished 2 points back of him despite those 20 less games).

I think your last paragraph is pretty much the expectation of any cup team. Pitt, Chi, LA all have that Norris D, good wingers and really good depth at C. No surprises there
- WhiteLie

That's why I just can't understand when people say we're set at this position or that position? The Canucks need an upgrade at EVERY position! Saying we've got our number one is like saying im ok with being just ok.

It's not a knock on Bo, it's just the reality of winning, you need great players to win, currently we don't have very many if any.

Benning is three drafts into his tenure, I'm just hopeful they don't overachieve and make the playoffs because the franchise really needs some good draft positions. It's tough, I hate when they lose but I want them to build...it's a double edge sword.

Sure, but again, they were all near the top of the league in scoring when they won the cup, as well.
- prock

I cant even think that far ahead, thats the least of my concerns

I cant even think that far ahead, thats the least of my concerns
- WhiteLie

2034

3 of the best two way centres in the league, who were all still scoring at a point per game when they won the cup.

that's... you know... pretty good.
- prock

Ya that is why I called them excellent 2 way Centres, not elite.
Elite and superstar terms get thrown around far to loosely. There are maybe 30 elite players in the league never mind 30 elite Centre men.