You are here telling everyone about how they overvalue players. Yet everybody in here is disagreeing that Palat isn't as good as you make him out to be. Figure it out that your wrong.
- manvanfan

I'll say that Tanev might be worth Palat and a later pick (3rd or 4th). In the case of Palat, given the amount of posters who seem to hate analytics/defensive first players(don't have the flash of points player) I'm willing to disagree with you and whoever else. There have been a few people on here who have agreed Palat would be a good pickup. Believe or not, Kane was shut down to nothing(2 points) against Tampa because of Palat/Hedman. I wouldn't be surprised if Stevie keeps him because of this matchup ability. His playoff numbers are pretty impressive at 29 points in 46 games and unreal corsi/possession numbers. I'm willing to agree with the numbers and the games I've watched than other posters opinions that rarely consist of facts, but thanks for the insight.

We need EVERTHING


Doesn't mean we don't have nice pieces we just need a lot more
- VANTEL

Cannot argue against that.

Canucks are not getting a lotto pick .

I do agree that there are nice picks throughout the draft and it goes without saying that the sooner you pick the more of a chance you have to get the player you want.
- VANTEL

I know, we are a bubble team
my new hashtag is #top10

I'll say that Tanev might be worth Palat and a later pick (3rd or 4th). In the case of Palat, given the amount of posters who seem to hate analytics/defensive first players(don't have the flash of points player) I'm willing to disagree with you and whoever else. There have been a few people on here who have agreed Palat would be a good pickup. Believe or not, Kane was shut down to nothing(2 points) against Tampa because of Palat/Hedman. I wouldn't be surprised if Stevie keeps him because of this matchup ability. His playoff numbers are pretty impressive at 29 points in 46 games and unreal corsi/possession numbers. I'm willing to agree with the numbers and the games I've watched than other posters opinions that rarely consist of facts, but thanks for the insight.
- neem55

Brett Howden would be nice

Brett Howden would be nice
- VANTEL

Ya, he looks good. Howden and a 2nd for tanev? I have to think Stevie is a little bit in win now mode, hard to say though.

Have we clinched yet?

The suspense is killing me.

I know, we are a bubble team
my new hashtag is #top10
- neem55

Should be #top5orbust

Should be #top5orbust
- bloatedmosquito

I'm open to a nose dive of any sort.

I'll say that Tanev might be worth Palat and a later pick (3rd or 4th). In the case of Palat, given the amount of posters who seem to hate analytics/defensive first players(don't have the flash of points player) I'm willing to disagree with you and whoever else. There have been a few people on here who have agreed Palat would be a good pickup. Believe or not, Kane was shut down to nothing(2 points) against Tampa because of Palat/Hedman. I wouldn't be surprised if Stevie keeps him because of this matchup ability. His playoff numbers are pretty impressive at 29 points in 46 games and unreal corsi/possession numbers. I'm willing to agree with the numbers and the games I've watched than other posters opinions that rarely consist of facts, but thanks for the insight.
- neem55

I wasn't saying Palat isn't a good player but he's not worth more then a top pairing defenceman. The fact that TB, if they don't move someone is going to lose a good player in the expansion draft. They probably can't resign them all either. Chicago has shown what happens when you get into that situation.

I'm open to a nose dive of any sort.
- neem55

Trade off top 2-3 D for wingers & your wish is granted for many years.

I wasn't saying Palat isn't a good player but he's not worth more then a top pairing defenceman. The fact that TB, if they don't move someone is going to lose a good player in the expansion draft. They probably can't resign them all either. Chicago has shown what happens when you get into that situation.
- manvanfan

Why do TBL any favours while they r in tight spot anyways.
Squeeze em like a zit i say 😂😂

Well you did give up McJesus for him.
- Scooby_Doo

Johnson & Marchand = 82 pts

I wasn't saying Palat isn't a good player but he's not worth more then a top pairing defenceman. The fact that TB, if they don't move someone is going to lose a good player in the expansion draft. They probably can't resign them all either. Chicago has shown what happens when you get into that situation.
- manvanfan

Is what happens that you win three stanley cups? Not sure what you're trying to say here. Has Chicago been mismanaged?

Canucks are in the same boat in terms of needing to move a d-man. Sbisa if exposed will be taken. If we bring back Palat, we've got our own expansion problems of having to expose a couple quality forwards in Hansen and Granlund. It's relative. I think 29 teams will be lining up for Palat if they decide to trade him. I think the same of Tanev, just not that he's worth that much more.

Tanev for a prospect or pick helps our expansion draft woes quite a bit, another reason to go with Vantel's suggestion of Howden who is a blue chip if there ever was one.

I'm open to a nose dive of any sort.
- neem55

I want to see the mother of all nose dives...

Trade off top 2-3 D for wingers & your wish is granted for many years.
- Nighthawk

Why is that? we seem to have defensive depth and no top-6 players outside Horvat and LE for the foreseeable future. that's 2 out of 6 spots. Maybe Bae. Maybe. Maybe Boes. Maybe. As Vantel said, we need everything at this point. Palat is 25, has the kind of rare talent that we need in the top-6. Last year I said McCann was expendable, many disagreed. This year Tanev or Sbisa are expendable because of the depth and have high value, which is when you want to trade players IMO.

Why is that? we seem to have defensive depth and no top-6 players outside Horvat and LE for the foreseeable future. that's 2 out of 6 spots. Maybe Bae. Maybe. Maybe Boes. Maybe. As Vantel said, we need everything at this point. Palat is 25, has the kind of rare talent that we need in the top-6. Last year I said McCann was expendable, many disagreed. This year Tanev or Sbisa are expendable because of the depth and have high value, which is when you want to trade players IMO.
- neem55

We r by no means under the pressure TBL r.
If Tanev is gone we only have an aging Edler for true top 2-3 D
Idk if we want to be the Oilers or Buffalo or the Av's for years on end.
McDavids don't fall out the sky.
We need a top C for a Tanev or no dice.
A very good package would be our 2nd reason.
Burnaby Joe is asking the world for Duchesne & won't get it.
We get what we want for Tanev or keep him.
I'm not hell bent on Duchesne either.

Why is that? we seem to have defensive depth and no top-6 players outside Horvat and LE for the foreseeable future. that's 2 out of 6 spots. Maybe Bae. Maybe. Maybe Boes. Maybe. As Vantel said, we need everything at this point. Palat is 25, has the kind of rare talent that we need in the top-6. Last year I said McCann was expendable, many disagreed. This year Tanev or Sbisa are expendable because of the depth and have high value, which is when you want to trade players IMO.
- neem55

This makes sense. Just sending any one of them for Palat doesn't. Team needs scoring. Team needs to be faster and younger. Having to expose more forwards to Vegas also is an issue. If JB moves a D at TDL it should be for picks and junior/college prospects; or, a Vegas exempt JV type needing an opportunity to crack NHL roster.

palat and a first for Tanev... Am I getting trolled by all the posters today or do you all really overvalue Tanev this much?
- neem55

I think its both 'us' overvaluing Tanev, and 'you' over-estimating Palat.

We have two younger players who are putting up similar, if not better numbers then Palat.

Both of which we received for a second round pick or Shink.

So would i do Tanev straight up for a 25 year old, 20 goal guy?

Hell no.

Is our team better with Palat in and Tanev out?

Hell no.

Can we get a better player.

I believe so.

Johnson & Marchand = 82 pts
- LeftCoaster

McDavid + Reinhart = 89 pts.

Johnson & Marchand = 82 pts
- LeftCoaster

You dirty whore. Shame.

Brett Howden would be nice
- VANTEL

good call on Howden but Taylor Raddysh would be tight

I'd take Palat as part of a package

Add a first and/or Point
- Whiskey-Tango

Point

It's better than no way. Do I agree? no. You're overvaluing a player you watch and have a bias towards and undervaluing another player. The rest of the league, every team in the NHL, uses advanced stats to measure defensive acumen. You don't. Once again, we're just going to have to disagree as Palat is one of the Elite defensive wingers in the league by these metrics.
- neem55

That's the way things go on here these days. I like Palat, my concern would be what he demands in salary moving forward.

Palat for Hutton. Is a very close trade.
Hutton signed cheap for 2 more years. Doesn't need expansion draft protection. Palat is a 50 ppg avg player. Certainly not worth Tanev. Recent trades show that Tanev is worth a younger 60-70 point player.

Yes Hutton has had a bad season but is a good 3-4 defender.
- manvanfan

Hutton won't get you Palat. Conversely, Hutton had a good season last year but is nothing more than a depth D.

Trevor should be placing a call. Might b a good bridge between JB and HC. Improve the development and play parts of the club. Don't know what he could do for trades though.
- Nuck4U

as a great tactical coach we could use him as an adviser...since wd doesnt appear to be going anyway might as well mentor him from one of the best.
Analyze the team and report to trevor about what should be done positional play wise and systems integration.
While Id love for him to replace lidster his fractured relationship with players concerns me. SOme coaching position such as those Ive suggested away from the players would be best.