are you going to backpay for the 18 years of neglect?!
- Codes1087

You didn't answer the question.

lol wtf?
- Whiskey-Tango

I forgot the, hide in the back yard with the herb...

a) Hansen is old to keep around for a rebuilding team. Linden (thankfully) seemed to be talking about other teams when talking about who was competitive and thinking they can win.

b) Not sure what more Sven could do to show he's a 2nd liner at this point, so I disagree with you there.

c) Granlund has shown improvement, why not have him stick around and grow with the other young guys.

d) Hansen I would think has the highest value (various reasons weve discussed at length in the past), maybe Sven given his trajectory from the second half of the season to now.

I know you're not necessarily saying otherwise, but that's why I'd deal Hansen. Stick with the young guys showing growth. I agree Edler has been good for Stecher. I hope in the off-season he is moved still, but realize it might be a bit of a pipedream.
- neem55

That's the logical choice.

I forgot the, hide in the back yard with the herb...
- hillbillydeluxe

You didn't answer the question.
- Marwood

Neither did you

lol and no I am not

I forgot the, hide in the back yard with the herb...
- hillbillydeluxe

🌿🌿🌿😜💨💨🌿🌿🌿

Palat no way.
5th? C'mon besides Oilers have our 5th.
- Nighthawk

Give some shred of evidence/sense as to why a player is "no way" as just saying it sounds like opinion over fact/knowledge of the player. For example, I could see no way applying to Tyler Johnson as he just doesn't appear to be the same guy since his injury and has had multiple injuries. Duchene is one of the biggest defensive liabilities in the game at center over the past three years (I'd still take him, but just saying this is called a sensible argument). Palat is the opposite at wing, elite defensively and produces points at a pretty consistent clip.

Give some shred of evidence/sense as to why a player is "no way" as just saying it sounds like opinion over fact/knowledge of the player. For example, I could see no way applying to Tyler Johnson as he just doesn't appear to be the same guy since his injury and has had multiple injuries. Duchene is one of the biggest defensive liabilities in the game at center over the past three years (I'd still take him, but just saying this is called a sensible argument). Palat is the opposite at wing, elite defensively and produces points at a pretty consistent clip.
- neem55

Tanev is worth more than Palat.
Satisfied?
Wingers r not my idea of what we need.

Give some shred of evidence/sense as to why a player is "no way" as just saying it sounds like opinion over fact/knowledge of the player. For example, I could see no way applying to Tyler Johnson as he just doesn't appear to be the same guy since his injury and has had multiple injuries. Duchene is one of the biggest defensive liabilities in the game at center over the past three years (I'd still take him, but just saying this is called a sensible argument). Palat is the opposite at wing, elite defensively and produces points at a pretty consistent clip.
- neem55

Palat would be a more realistic trade for us than Duchesne.

Imo picking higher in the second and third round is very important too, no one really know what players are worth tanking for. I'll be happy if we end up with a scoring winger like Tippet or Popagaev, but I'd be happier with a top5 in each round as the picks are more valuable trade/draft chips to work with.
- neem55

I will back tract and agree you can get a good pick anywhere in the first round but the second rounds and later you need to be drafting higher.
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Like Ratcliffe is projected a high second picks an Rasanen in the fourth and your boy Entwistle in the third

Tanev is worth more than Palat.
Satisfied?
Wingers r not my idea of what we need.
- Nighthawk

We need EVERTHING


Doesn't mean we don't have nice pieces we just need a lot more

Good god, please no.

His 'systems' are the equivalent of watching paint dry.
If he couldn't find success with a very, very good Blues roster, who's to say he will be any better here, with a much more inferior roster to work with?
- Whiskey-Tango

as mentioned previously, i look at it as a total franchise reset. and with respect to Marwood's point about that happening only after the sedins leave, i disagree. i don't think they necessarily hinder that process. (that is a whole separate discussion that would require paragraphs so i'll just leave that alone.)

bringing in hitchock would bring in a defensive system that this team needs. a young team (which this team is turning into) needs a tight structural system imo. i know that the counter argument becomes that hitch would stifle creativity which is dangerous especially with younger players. the brett hull practice story about shooting into the boards will probably get brought up.

i disagree, i think that hitchock can bring a tight defensive system that teaches the younger players the 200 ft game. it is easier to break bad habits early on in careers so getting them defensively aware early only helps long term. you can teach defense and hitch can do just that.

as i said in my first post, bring him in to set things up, and have a replacement in the wings.

my final point will be that AV was thought to be only a defensively minded coach. he, however, adapted based on the skill level of his players. while i don't expect hitch to change, his heir could be a more progressive type. remember that this would all be done with a team reset in mind with a clear game plan from JB and TL.

Tanev is worth more than Palat.
Satisfied?
- Nighthawk

It's better than no way. Do I agree? no. You're overvaluing a player you watch and have a bias towards and undervaluing another player. The rest of the league, every team in the NHL, uses advanced stats to measure defensive acumen. You don't. Once again, we're just going to have to disagree as Palat is one of the Elite defensive wingers in the league by these metrics.

Tanev is worth more than Palat.
Satisfied?
Wingers r not my idea of what we need.
- Nighthawk

I'd take Palat as part of a package

Add a first and/or Point

It appears Stevie was not quite out of his mind though, Drouin looks like the real deal to me.
- neem55

I meant Steve Y like Sakic had/has a very high asking price and therefore a deal might not get done - IN Drouins case, Stevies gamble seems to be paying off - it could've easily gone the other way.

Palat would be a more realistic trade for us than Duchesne.
- LordHumungous

Palat for Hutton. Is a very close trade.
Hutton signed cheap for 2 more years. Doesn't need expansion draft protection. Palat is a 50 ppg avg player. Certainly not worth Tanev. Recent trades show that Tanev is worth a younger 60-70 point player.

Yes Hutton has had a bad season but is a good 3-4 defender.

I will back tract and agree you can get a good pick anywhere in the first round but the second rounds and later you need to be drafting higher.
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Like Ratcliffe is projected a high second picks an Rasanen in the fourth and your boy Entwistle in the third
- VANTEL

I'm not going to launch into my usual rant about how much better top-5 picks are than any other, even weak drafts, in terms of likelyhood of landing top-end talent. Instead I will just say: If you think having a high pick in the second round and beyond is good, in order to have those picks you need to have a high pick in the first round. Thus, you are somewhat inferring pro-tank status which I will now gladly accept you denying

Palat for Hutton. Is a very close trade.
Hutton signed cheap for 2 more years. Doesn't need expansion draft protection. Palat is a 50 ppg avg player. Certainly not worth Tanev. Recent trades show that Tanev is worth a younger 60-70 point player.

Yes Hutton has had a bad season but is a good 3-4 defender.
- manvanfan

wow. #Thehomersarehere

I meant Steve Y like Sakic had/has a very high asking price and therefore a deal might not get done - IN Drouins case, Stevies gamble seems to be paying off - it could've easily gone the other way.
- Brooks_Light

That's fair. Seems the asking price is always sky high. Think of it as O.B.O in a car add. He's asking high.

wow. #Thehomersarehere
- neem55

who woulda thunk Hall for Larsson?

most of these trades do sound far fetched until you see something that surprises.

I think the thing with Hutton is if he continues to develop, 2.8mil for a dman for the next two years might represent some value.

I'd take Palat as part of a package

Add a first and/or Point
- Whiskey-Tango

palat and a first for Tanev... Am I getting trolled by all the posters today or do you all really overvalue Tanev this much?

I'm not going to launch into my usual rant about how much better top-5 picks are than any other, even weak drafts, in terms of likelyhood of landing top-end talent. Instead I will just say: If you think having a high pick in the second round and beyond is good, in order to have those picks you need to have a high pick in the first round. Thus, you are somewhat inferring pro-tank status which I will now gladly accept you denying
- neem55

Canucks are not getting a lotto pick .

I do agree that there are nice picks throughout the draft and it goes without saying that the sooner you pick the more of a chance you have to get the player you want.

wow. #Thehomersarehere
- neem55

You are here telling everyone about how they overvalue players. Yet everybody in here is disagreeing that Palat isn't as good as you make him out to be. Figure it out that your wrong.

who woulda thunk Hall for Larsson?

most of these trades do sound far fetched until you see something that surprises.

I think the thing with Hutton is if he continues to develop, 2.8mil for a dman for the next two years might represent some value.
- hillbillydeluxe

this is true. Edmonton has been dealing from a position of weakness for years IMO. Canucks don't need to move guys like they did. That's my opinion on that Hall trade, but it's a fair point to bring up.

I'd take Palat as part of a package

Add a first and/or Point
- Whiskey-Tango

Now we r talking