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Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Feb 1 @ 11:39 AM ET
From Dreger's twitter:


Sounds to me like he has a change of heart and wants another run as HC.

Also under the radar of the move is they fired their goalie coach. Allen has not done well this season

- WhiteLie



Part of a team doesn't mean HC so managerial role might be what he's alluding to there. He's a good hockey mind either way. So Nucks should try to get him on board.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Feb 1 @ 11:41 AM ET
Keep him and deal gudbranson and edler after the expansion draft for draft picks. Larsen and sbisa at the deadline.

Tryamkin has made gudbranson irrelevant, hes already better.

I like sbisa this year(funny i know) but he will get picked up during expansion so might as well take a 4th or something for him at the deadline.

Next years D line up:

Hutton Tanev
Tryamkin Stetcher
OJ UFA
Pedan Subban/Neill

I know Hutton isnt a top pairing guy but might as well go young and maximize assets I dont think this group would be that much of a drop from what we currently have.

Id also deal Hansen, Burrows and any other of the Skille types that can easily be replaced.

Sedin sedin Ericksson
Sven bo boeser
Granlund sutter rodin(if he ever plays again lol)
JV Patrick?? Labate

Trade Miller at the deadline and resign him to a one year deal in the off season.


I know this wont happen but wishful thinking.. Id assume we loose Gaunce if this is the case, who cares. I see this as best way to maximize picks and leave nothing for LV in expansion.

- mauryballstein


That is a stretch. Sample size
WhiteLie
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Feb 1 @ 11:58 AM ET
Part of a team doesn't mean HC so managerial role might be what he's alluding to there. He's a good hockey mind either way. So Nucks should try to get him on board.
- Nuck4U


"not wanting to go out like this" to me doesnt say switch to managerial role. That would be along the lines of a "new challenge". If he was able to ride out the season I think he would be ok but I am sure there is an incomplete feeling with Hitch.

Also more chefs in the kitchen doesnt mean better results. As good a mind as Hitch has, I would pass on him. Notoriously hated by his players
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Feb 1 @ 12:15 PM ET
Keep him and deal gudbranson and edler after the expansion draft for draft picks. Larsen and sbisa at the deadline.

Tryamkin has made gudbranson irrelevant, hes already better.

I like sbisa this year(funny i know) but he will get picked up during expansion so might as well take a 4th or something for him at the deadline.

Next years D line up:

Hutton Tanev
Tryamkin Stetcher
OJ UFA
Pedan Subban/Neill

I know Hutton isnt a top pairing guy but might as well go young and maximize assets I dont think this group would be that much of a drop from what we currently have.

Id also deal Hansen, Burrows and any other of the Skille types that can easily be replaced.

Sedin sedin Ericksson
Sven bo boeser
Granlund sutter rodin(if he ever plays again lol)
JV Patrick?? Labate

Trade Miller at the deadline and resign him to a one year deal in the off season.


I know this wont happen but wishful thinking.. Id assume we loose Gaunce if this is the case, who cares. I see this as best way to maximize picks and leave nothing for LV in expansion.

- mauryballstein


We don't have the depth, this year or next, to replace Edler, Gudbranson, Sbisa, Hansen, Burrows, Skille, Gaunce and Miller.

I'm all for the Tank, but that's a pushing it a little
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 1 @ 12:23 PM ET
We don't have the depth, this year or next, to replace Edler, Gudbranson, Sbisa, Hansen, Burrows, Skille, Gaunce and Miller.

I'm all for the Tank, but that's a pushing it a little

- Whiskey-Tango

neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Feb 1 @ 12:27 PM ET
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017/NHL-Draft-Profiles/Cale-Makar


Still looking over the prospects & the more highlights i see of RHD Cale Makar the more i'm sold. If JB can deal for another 1st somehow the two picks would be awesome. Maybe gettng a 12-16th pick would do it. TBL Buffalo come to mind for starters. Flexibility in the draft is nice if we can manage a solid trade. Makar is committed to UMass but looks like a Patrick Kane on D.

BPA F & Makar yum yum but prolly cost a Tanev.

- Nighthawk


Looks a lot like Stecher.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Feb 1 @ 12:28 PM ET
Hello all you wonderful people!
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Feb 1 @ 12:29 PM ET
http://www.tsn.ca/countdo...won-t-be-renters-1.662169

so if it's one of Hansen, Granlund and Sven. Which do you choose?

Hansen is the easy choice IMO, but curious if anyone thinks otherwise.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Feb 1 @ 12:31 PM ET
Seems we have a lot of trade everyone talk this month. Forgone conclusions Canucks will fall out of the bubble and into AZ and Av territory of hopeless.

Well I will take it one game at a time. So will be excited to see with Hansen's return if Bo gets a new winger.

- Nuck4U


Arizona & Av's is a stretch.
BO has Burrows n just fine.
Hansen back with the Sedins worked.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Feb 1 @ 12:33 PM ET
http://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-canucks-won-t-be-renters-1.662169

so if it's one of Hansen, Granlund and Sven. Which do you choose?

Hansen is the easy choice IMO, but curious if anyone thinks otherwise.

- neem55



Hansen is the better player of the 3 but age says trade him makes sense.
WhiteLie
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Feb 1 @ 12:34 PM ET
http://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-canucks-won-t-be-renters-1.662169

so if it's one of Hansen, Granlund and Sven. Which do you choose?

Hansen is the easy choice IMO, but curious if anyone thinks otherwise.

- neem55


Hansen is easily my choice, wrong side of 30, bunch of injuries and team in a rebuild. Cant take him over to young guys scoring at a 20 goal pace
WhiteLie
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Feb 1 @ 12:35 PM ET
Arizona & Av's is a stretch.
BO has Burrows n just fine.
Hansen back with the Sedins worked.

- Nighthawk


Granlund and Eriksson have shown a bit of chemistry too
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 1 @ 12:35 PM ET
http://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-canucks-won-t-be-renters-1.662169

so if it's one of Hansen, Granlund and Sven. Which do you choose?

Hansen is the easy choice IMO, but curious if anyone thinks otherwise.

- neem55


Trevor said yesterday he is keeping vets to show young players the ropes (mentor) . He specifically came out and said Edler has been very good for Troys development.

Not directed at you but does it really matter who goes? they are all third line talent playing second line.I guess I would try to trade one.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Feb 1 @ 12:43 PM ET
Keep him and deal gudbranson and edler after the expansion draft for draft picks. Larsen and sbisa at the deadline.

Tryamkin has made gudbranson irrelevant, hes already better.

I like sbisa this year(funny i know) but he will get picked up during expansion so might as well take a 4th or something for him at the deadline.

Next years D line up:

Hutton Tanev
Tryamkin Stetcher
OJ UFA
Pedan Subban/Neill

I know Hutton isnt a top pairing guy but might as well go young and maximize assets I dont think this group would be that much of a drop from what we currently have.

Id also deal Hansen, Burrows and any other of the Skille types that can easily be replaced.

Sedin sedin Ericksson
Sven bo boeser
Granlund sutter rodin(if he ever plays again lol)
JV Patrick?? Labate

Trade Miller at the deadline and resign him to a one year deal in the off season.


I know this wont happen but wishful thinking.. Id assume we loose Gaunce if this is the case, who cares. I see this as best way to maximize picks and leave nothing for LV in expansion.

- mauryballstein


This is horrendous. Trade a player while their value's at an all-time low and give his spot to a guy who hasn't proven much and needs to have his minutes monitored because he's brand new to the toughest job in hockey. On top of that, put a guy in the top pairing who has proven he can't handle that work load yet, maybe ever now that he got tossed in the fire and burned. Sbisa's having his best year, so if you were still hating it would be lacking any factual/sensible leg to stand on. Why should anyone be surprised you no longer hate a guy most people were too hard on in the first place and now have moved to a new whipping boy.

haters gunna hate, hate, hate.
-T. Swift

RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Feb 1 @ 12:44 PM ET
"not wanting to go out like this" to me doesnt say switch to managerial role. That would be along the lines of a "new challenge". If he was able to ride out the season I think he would be ok but I am sure there is an incomplete feeling with Hitch.

Also more chefs in the kitchen doesnt mean better results. As good a mind as Hitch has, I would pass on him. Notoriously hated by his players

- WhiteLie

i was in favour of keeping willie until the end of the season and then doing whole sale changes with the coaching staff.

however, with the emergence of a top tier candidate, i'm inclined to make the change now.

give hitchcock the head coaching gig with the instructions to institute and implement a new system (i feel yucky using that term). let him create his own coaching staff (keep the old ones until the off season) with an eye to a replacement. obviously, this would be done in conjunction with TL and JB.

in a year or two, hitchcock moves upstairs to an agm or vp gig.

*caveat being that while hitchcock is a winner, he doesn't produce the most exciting product*
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
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Joined: 08.15.2014

Feb 1 @ 12:50 PM ET
i was in favour of keeping willie until the end of the season and then doing whole sale changes with the coaching staff.

however, with the emergence of a top tier candidate, i'm inclined to make the change now.

give hitchcock the head coaching gig with the instructions to institute and implement a new system (i feel yucky using that term). let him create his own coaching staff (keep the old ones until the off season) with an eye to a replacement. obviously, this would be done in conjunction with TL and JB.

in a year or two, hitchcock moves upstairs to an agm or vp gig.

*caveat being that while hitchcock is a winner, he doesn't produce the most exciting product*

- RealityChecker

Willie has managed somehow to keep a Half AHL club here in contention for the WC spot...no changes happening.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Feb 1 @ 12:50 PM ET
Trevor said yesterday he is keeping vets to show young players the ropes (mentor) . He specifically came out and said Edler has been very good for Troys development.

Not directed at you but does it really matter who goes? they are all third line talent playing second line.I guess I would try to trade one.

- VANTEL


a) Hansen is old to keep around for a rebuilding team. Linden (thankfully) seemed to be talking about other teams when talking about who was competitive and thinking they can win.

b) Not sure what more Sven could do to show he's a 2nd liner at this point, so I disagree with you there.

c) Granlund has shown improvement, why not have him stick around and grow with the other young guys.

d) Hansen I would think has the highest value (various reasons weve discussed at length in the past), maybe Sven given his trajectory from the second half of the season to now.

I know you're not necessarily saying otherwise, but that's why I'd deal Hansen. Stick with the young guys showing growth. I agree Edler has been good for Stecher. I hope in the off-season he is moved still, but realize it might be a bit of a pipedream.
WhiteLie
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Feb 1 @ 12:52 PM ET
Trevor said yesterday he is keeping vets to show young players the ropes (mentor) . He specifically came out and said Edler has been very good for Troys development.

Not directed at you but does it really matter who goes? they are all third line talent playing second line.I guess I would try to trade one.

- VANTEL


Beginning of the year I would have agreed with you, but Sven and Granlund are producing extremely well and showing they are more top 6 than bottom, with room to grow. Of the 800 players in the league, there are only 100 who have played 40 games and are on pace to score 20 goals, Sven and Granlund are two of them
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Feb 1 @ 12:54 PM ET
When did Edler say this? Link?
- boonerbuck


who knows? but on the flip side he did say this in an interview with Swedish media outlet Expressen, Edler made the following statement:

"There's an awful lot of rumours. It's not something I think about. As long as Vancouver wants me, rumours mean nothing."

"In the end, I get to decide (for myself), but if the team wants a trade....well, then you get to decide whether you want to play for a team that does not want you."

I do think the chances of him getting traded are LOW and Tanev is the more likely candidate - either way I think the Rangers are a great trading partner.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
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Joined: 04.18.2010

Feb 1 @ 12:54 PM ET
Willie has managed somehow to keep a Half AHL club here in contention for the WC spot...no changes happening.
- LordHumungous

i don't think so either. just saying what i would like.

this team needs a total reset. hitchcock is a guy who can come in and do exactly that.

it won't happen b/c the team keeps wallowing in mediocrity.
WhiteLie
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Feb 1 @ 12:55 PM ET
i was in favour of keeping willie until the end of the season and then doing whole sale changes with the coaching staff.

however, with the emergence of a top tier candidate, i'm inclined to make the change now.

give hitchcock the head coaching gig with the instructions to institute and implement a new system (i feel yucky using that term). let him create his own coaching staff (keep the old ones until the off season) with an eye to a replacement. obviously, this would be done in conjunction with TL and JB.

in a year or two, hitchcock moves upstairs to an agm or vp gig.

*caveat being that while hitchcock is a winner, he doesn't produce the most exciting product*

- RealityChecker


I cant see Hitch being considered here. Trevor is a former player and I think he would rather stick with Willie, a coach who the players like and still play hard for despite their struggles, than to switch for Hitchcock who players hate and quit on
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Feb 1 @ 12:55 PM ET
Hello all you wonderful people!
- Codes1087

Are you a Jehovah Witness?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Feb 1 @ 12:57 PM ET
a) Hansen is old to keep around for a rebuilding team. Linden (thankfully) seemed to be talking about other teams when talking about who was competitive and thinking they can win.

b) Not sure what more Sven could do to show he's a 2nd liner at this point, so I disagree with you there.

c) Granlund has shown improvement, why not have him stick around and grow with the other young guys.

d) Hansen I would think has the highest value (various reasons weve discussed at length in the past), maybe Sven given his trajectory from the second half of the season to now.

I know you're not necessarily saying otherwise, but that's why I'd deal Hansen. Stick with the young guys showing growth. I agree Edler has been good for Stecher. I hope in the off-season he is moved still, but realize it might be a bit of a pipedream.

- neem55



The bar level has taken a beating for years as a Canuck. That is why the team is getting worst and worst. It need to start to be raised.

Sven Granlund Hansen Sutter are all fine third liners . That is not insulting them. As long as they are our second line we will be on the bottom half of the standings.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Feb 1 @ 12:57 PM ET
What do you guys think of Tanev for Tyler johnson or Palat? TB needs d and probably cant resign one of them
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Feb 1 @ 12:58 PM ET
Beginning of the year I would have agreed with you, but Sven and Granlund are producing extremely well and showing they are more top 6 than bottom, with room to grow. Of the 800 players in the league, there are only 100 who have played 40 games and are on pace to score 20 goals, Sven and Granlund are two of them
- WhiteLie



Granlund on the 3rd line LW with Sutter is working fine.
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