http://www.rotoworld.com/...nt/nhl/4602/jake-virtanen

I think Green has a better grip on the situation than the posters here.

He is actually 20 now .

This season as I pointed out he has 10 points , that is nowhere near enough. When you hit 22 and you are not doing what is expected then your chances are pretty much passed.
- VANTEL

19, 20 whatever, I still think it is far too early to give up on him and add him to The Garbage 7.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nhl/4602/jake-virtanen

I think Green has a better grip on the situation than the posters here.
- Reubenkincade

Virtanen was selected sixth overall in 2014 but has yet to make a significant dent in the NHL as he had only seven goals and 13 points last season in 55 games and was sent to the minors this season after only one helper in 10 games. He has four AHL goals and seven points in 24 games but coach Travis Green has been impressed. "He has come here with a good attitude," said Green. "Sometimes, when players come down, it’s hard to get them into a mindset, but that hasn’t been the case since Day 1 with Jake. He has put in the work because when he first got here, playing 15 minutes was hard and he’s handling them well now. He’s getting to play a lot of minutes and getting practices during the week that he doesn’t get in the NHL and that’s all positive stuff for him. And I’m not concerned about his points because we don’t have an offensive group here and we’re constantly changing our lines. We want Jake to develop into a good pro who can play a 200-foot game." Jan 15 - 10:32 AM
Thanks Reuben.

19, 20 whatever, I still think it is far too early to give up on him and add him to The Garbage 7.
- Marwood

Right now he is producing at a third of Gaunces AHL numbers , half of Nick Jensens and Hunter Shinkaruks numbers AHL numbers.

Gaunce and Shink are 22 and Jensen is 23. The clock is ticking

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nhl/4602/jake-virtanen

I think Green has a better grip on the situation than the posters here.
- Reubenkincade

Did you really expect Green to tell the media he hasn't done much?

Personally, I'm thinking Virtanen is entering bust territory but still, that's a wee bit short at this point.

Even if he shapes out to be a decent third liner, i think that's more valuable then 2 seconds.
- Whiskey-Tango

It's two years after his draft year, it's extremely premature to be trading this kid. Sure I make fun of the pick now, knowing how good a bunch of players picked after him are, but, he needs a couple more years to be considered a bust.

I'm still gonna call him a plug though

How about Tanev JV and Hansen for Lehkonen Juulsen and 2 seconds ( Mtl and Wsh)
- VANTEL

You told me during Junior tournament that Juulsen wasn't any good. Now he has been in your trade proposals twice...hmmmm. Not sure why you want him now. Although I am a fan of his.

Why we give up on Virtanen when he will be bringing the physicality that this team sorely needs.
Wonder if Islanders are thinking of giving up on Dal Colle or if Canes ore giving up on Fleury. Both of who were picked just before and just after.

Did you really expect Green to tell the media he hasn't done much?
- VANTEL

No I expected you to tell me.

Right now he is producing at a third of Gaunces AHL numbers , half of Nick Jensens and Hunter Shinkaruks numbers AHL numbers.

Gaunce and Shink are 22 and Jensen is 23. The clock is ticking
- VANTEL

Despite what Green says, his production at the AHL level is concerning. He reminds me more and more of the Brett Connolly pick Yzerman made at #6 in 2010.

Right now he is producing at a third of Gaunces AHL numbers , half of Nick Jensens and Hunter Shinkaruks numbers AHL numbers.

Gaunce and Shink are 22 and Jensen is 23. The clock is ticking
- VANTEL

In all fairness, Shink went through the same issue of poor conditioning (albeit for different reasons) his first Utica season and put up pretty poor numbers on a much more offensive team.

The year after he exploded for almost a ppg pace.
I'm thinking Virt rebounds the same way next season, assuming he don't make the NHL.

It's two years after his draft year, it's extremely premature to be trading this kid. Sure I make fun of the pick now, knowing how good a bunch of players picked after him are, but, he needs a couple more years to be considered a bust.

I'm still gonna call him a plug though
- LeftCoaster

I'm with you on that.
'Bustanen' has such a nice ring to it.

You told me during Junior tournament that Juulsen wasn't any good. Now he has been in your trade proposals twice...hmmmm. Not sure why you want him now. Although I am a fan of his.

Why we give up on Virtanen when he will be bringing the physicality that this team sorely needs.
Wonder if Islanders are thinking of giving up on Dal Colle or if Canes ore giving up on Fleury. Both of who were picked just before and just after.
- Reubenkincade

When ever Jake makes a big hit or scores a really nice goal it is posted all over Twitter and re-posted here. How many Jake highlights have you seen here this year?

He is not playing on a top line in Utica. Most of all I haven't called him a bust. I have said he has not come anywhere close to expectations and time is running out.

If he has another year like this year in 2017-2018 he will be an afterthought along the lines of Jensen and Shink.

As far as Juulsen I read earlier in the year that he was not doing to well but after seeing him I thought he was OK .

The reason he is part of two proposals is because not many teams are going to give much for our players in a trade. You need to find a team in a win now mode and Montreal is such a team.

No I expected you to tell me.
- Reubenkincade

Now you are just being a d1ck

When ever Jake makes a big hit or scores a really nice goal it is posted all over Twitter and re-posted here. How many Jake highlights have you seen here this year?

He is not playing on a top line in Utica. Most of all I haven't called him a bust. I have said he has not come anywhere close to expectations and time is running out.

If he has another year like this year in 2017-2018 he will be an afterthought along the lines of Jensen and Shink.

As far as Juulsen I read earlier in the year that he was not doing to well but after seeing him I thought he was OK .

The reason he is part of two proposals is because not many teams are going to give much for our players in a trade. You need to find a team in a win now mode and Montreal is such a team.
- VANTEL

Initially I thought he was of the Dustin Brown mold, however, at 19 years old Brown played a full year in the AHL and posted 29-45-74 in 79 games, Virtanen is nowhere near that.

He's more Tom Wilson, without the ability to fight, than he is Dustin Brown.

Despite what Green says, his production at the AHL level is concerning. He reminds me more and more of the Brett Connolly pick Yzerman made at #6 in 2010.
- LeftCoaster

I usually follow the stats of Utica game to game and most nights there is not a lot to say about him even the highlights on Twitter of the big plays are rare

Initially I thought he was of the Dustin Brown mold, however, at 19 years old Brown played a full year in the AHL and posted 29-45-74 in 79 games, Virtanen is nowhere near that.

He's more Tom Wilson, without the ability to fight, than he is Dustin Brown.
- LeftCoaster

Virt is 5 g 4 a in 32 games on Comets and 1 A in 10 games on Canucks

I'm with you on that.
'Bustanen' has such a nice ring to it.
- Whiskey-Tango

It's egg on Bennings face, imagine Dylan Larkin and Matthew Tkachuk on the Canucks right now. Personally I'd be thrilled even if we were losing.

Virt is 5 g 4 a in 32 games on Comets and 1 A in 10 games on Canucks
- VANTEL

Thus my Tom Wilson comparison.

Thus my Tom Wilson comparison.
- LeftCoaster

Yup numbers are concerning.

Yup numbers are concerning.
- VANTEL

He should be doing better than he is but I wouldn't give up on him yet.

He should be doing better than he is but I wouldn't give up on him yet.
- LeftCoaster

I said two days ago he could be a third liner.


If someone is offering something of value for him I would take it. If I could get 2 seconds I would take it because after next year is the numbers are not there it will be one second offered , and so on .

Despite what Green says, his production at the AHL level is concerning. He reminds me more and more of the Brett Connolly pick Yzerman made at #6 in 2010.
- LeftCoaster

Except Connolly put up some great AHL numbers but it hasn't translated well to his NHL game. If Jake can spend another half year in Utica and possibly come up next season and accept a 3rd line banger role it would be a small win. He has the potential but hasn't figured it out yet.
Right now we have zero forwards that hit - we really need a player like JV, even if he's only putting up 25-30 points a year - hopefully he keeps improving, changes his attitude and makes it, otherwise it would be a pretty sad waste of a high pick.

Virtanen appears to be developing more along the Anthony Mantha pace, who at 22 is appearing to be a regular in Detroit line up.

15 g-18 a 33 pts 64 games age 20 season.

Except Connolly put up some great AHL numbers but it hasn't translated well to his NHL game. If Jake can spend another half year in Utica and possibly come up next season and accept a 3rd line banger role it would be a small win. He has the potential but hasn't figured it out yet.
Right now we have zero forwards that hit - we really need a player like JV, even if he's only putting up 25-30 points a year - hopefully he keeps improving, changes his attitude and makes it, otherwise it would be a pretty sad waste of a high pick.
- Brooks_Light

Brett put up good numbers in the American League yes, but it was his third year after his draft year, which would be next year for Jake.

He reminds me of him because he just couldn't translate junior and AHL numbers into the NHL, which is my concern for Virtanen. From watching him thus far, he doesn't think the game well.

Except Connolly put up some great AHL numbers but it hasn't translated well to his NHL game. If Jake can spend another half year in Utica and possibly come up next season and accept a 3rd line banger role it would be a small win. He has the potential but hasn't figured it out yet.
Right now we have zero forwards that hit - we really need a player like JV, even if he's only putting up 25-30 points a year - hopefully he keeps improving, changes his attitude and makes it, otherwise it would be a pretty sad waste of a high pick.
- Brooks_Light

Jake is not really banging anyone right now. The best thing that has been posted about him in the last month is he always stands at the gate and high fives the players going out on the ice.

He has been very quiet . He did get a goal about two games ago.