No that was actually Keslers kid. Keslers kid is about two inches taller
- VANTEL

wow saw that Laine 101 mph shot. Never knew it was that hard...and from a rookie wow.

CAN loses to SCO in the Bronze medal game (28-22) and South Africa Beats Fiji for the Gold (26-5).

Canada ties their best showing ever.

Second round pick with character isuues ? You do realize you have Sven and JV ...not sure where fat Russ character issues come in compared to those guys ...seems like Sven figured it out but still
- Redmile247

Sven had character issues....really....that's your excuse for Flames letting him go?

Now JV does.... like he's got what exactly?

These are good kids. One finding his game and groove on what it takes to make it. Sven will go to the hard areas and not play the perimeter. JV learning what being a pro is a processs of consistency and dedication in all aspects of your game.

Writing off kids with talent must be a Flame specialty. If you don't get it or produce right away it's because you are defective. Okay well a fine wine takes time. Enjoy your juice box players. Nucks will develop for long term impact.

Q&A for some common themes running on the threads.

Q1) Will this team change style only and if the Sedins are gone?

Answer: The coach creates the style through his deployments and systems play. The Sedins only play to their strengths for offense on their line. But they still follow what the HC wants.

Q2) if more high end talent comes in by drafting does it not take at least 3 years from draft day for an impact in the line up?

Answer: yes drafting takes time to develop most players. Only saviors come out right away and those generational players are rare and lotto lucky to land.

Q3) what else must a team do in a rebuild?

Answer: trade assets for upgrades in talent to fill holes or needs. Pick up more draft picks for depth players by trading established vets.

Notes:
Maybe players like Sven, Granlund and JV are used as trade chips in the future or fill in the top 9. Or form a 3rd line in a few years when other 1st rounders take over top 6. Who knows? But having them makes the Canucks better not worse in moving forward.
- Nuck4U

Clearly nobody gives 2 poops about your answers. 3 pages later...zero comments.

Laine won
- Redmile247

Only because he cheated off the start.

Sven had character issues....really....that's your excuse for Flames letting him go?

Now JV does.... like he's got what exactly?

These are good kids. One finding his game and groove on what it takes to make it. Sven go to the hard areas don't play the perimeter. JV learning what being a pro is a processs of consistency and dedication in all aspects of your game.

Writing of kids with talent must be a Flame specialty. If you don't get or produce right away it's because you ar defective. Okay well a fine SI e takes time. Enjoy your juice box players. Nucks will develop for long term impact.
- Nuck4U

How about Tanev JV and Hansen for Lehkonen Juulsen and 2 seconds ( Mtl and Wsh)

How about Tanev JV and Hansen for Lehkonen Juulsen and 2 seconds ( Mtl and Wsh)
- VANTEL

Why?

Why?
- Marwood

2 seconds

2 seconds
- VANTEL

- Marwood

I wonder how many feel differently?

If a team came up and offered 2x second round picks for Jake how many would jump at that offer?

I wonder how many feel differently?

If a team came up and offered 2x second round picks for Jake how many would jump at that offer?
- VANTEL

Jake is a project and needs more time. Don't want to jump the gun on him.

Jake is a project and needs more time. Don't want to jump the gun on him.
- LordHumungous

That is fine .

I haven't been overly impressed by anything yet like attitude , work ethic or even his skill , but everyone is entitled to an opinion

I wonder how many feel differently?

If a team came up and offered 2x second round picks for Jake how many would jump at that offer?
- VANTEL

Personally, I'm thinking Virtanen is entering bust territory but still, that's a wee bit short at this point.

Even if he shapes out to be a decent third liner, i think that's more valuable then 2 seconds.

Personally, I'm thinking Virtanen is entering bust territory but still, that's a wee bit short at this point.

Even if he shapes out to be a decent third liner, i think that's more valuable then 2 seconds.
- Whiskey-Tango

He isn't doing much in the A , some nights no shots even.

If teams do look at him as a bust there is no way you will get 2 seconds.

You will get a Jensnen Etem type deal.


I am not saying he is a bust but if you do hang on too long then you get nothing back .

He isn't doing much in the A , some nights no shots even.

If teams do look at him as a bust there is no way you will get 2 seconds.

You will get a Jensnen Etem type deal.


I am not saying he is a bust but if you do hang on too long then you get nothing back .
- VANTEL

See;Yakupov, Nail

I wonder how many feel differently?

If a team came up and offered 2x second round picks for Jake how many would jump at that offer?
- VANTEL

Hopefully none. Well, maybe the drama queens and emo's.
That trade is impatience at it's most extreme.

Hopefully none. Well, maybe the drama queens and emo's.
That trade is impatience at it's most extreme.
- Marwood

No it's not.

See;Yakupov, Nail
- Larsson_fan

That's the thing with Virtanen though.

Unlike Yak who was/is essentially top six or bust, Virtanen could remain effective in a bottom six role without necessarily throwing up big numbers.

Assuming his development remains stagnant (which it wont, for better or worse), i could see him molded into a Hansen like player, gritty, quick, 30 points in a third line role.

Hopefully he exceeds that expectation, because at 6 overall that would be a pretty (frank)ing sad end for this franchise.

I think his spectrum looks something likes this:

Kreider.
Hansen.
Ferland.

Either way, i think he plays in the league for awhile.

No it's not.
- VANTEL

Trading the 5th over all 2 years after his draft is extremely premature in my opinion. If the kid is still inconsistent or not meeting expectations at 22 - 23 then you look to move him.
I guarantee the majority here would agree.

Trading the 5th over all 2 years after his draft is extremely premature in my opinion. If the kid is still inconsistent or not meeting expectations at 22 - 23 then you look to move him.
I guarantee the majority here would agree.
- Marwood

In most cases yes but when a player shows up to camp looking like he had a full course 22 lb turkey dinner by himself and finished it , or has the reputation of being a piss tank , then you are not dealing with the normal #6 draft pick.

His reputation , work ethic and attitude all raise flags.

In 42 games this year 5 goals 5 assists

In most cases yes but when a player shows up to camp looking like he had a full course 22 lb turkey dinner by himself and finished it , or has the reputation of being a piss tank , then you are not dealing with the normal #6 draft pick.

His reputation , work ethic and attitude all raise flags.

In 42 games this year 5 goals 5 assists
- VANTEL

He is still a teenager. He still has plenty of time to grow up. I'm sure being in Utica and not Vancouver is helping with that.

That is fine .

I haven't been overly impressed by anything yet like attitude , work ethic or even his skill , but everyone is entitled to an opinion
- VANTEL

For sure. I watched Jake quite closely here for the Hitmen in the WHL and there was always attitude and work ethic issues surrounding the kid but eventually he came around to being a premium player. I'm hoping for the same in Utica and eventually on the Nucks…we need what he brings.

Many players don't accomplish much in the A but are able to eek it out in the NHL. JV may be one of those types maybe a power guy 15-20 per year 2-3 line roles eventually.

I look at JV able to manage 7 goals in 55 games up with the Nucks basically playing with 4th line plugs 50% of the time…but yet we are rolling with Gonch…Magma..Chapoo and Skilless…curiosity is kicking in.

Not saying JV deserves to be up full-time at all but if we are out of a PO spot by the end of Feb I would expect he gets another look up here….possibly.

He is still a teenager. He still has plenty of time to grow up. I'm sure being in Utica and not Vancouver is helping with that.
- Marwood

He is actually 20 now .

This season as I pointed out he has 10 points , that is nowhere near enough. When you hit 22 and you are not doing what is expected then your chances are pretty much passed.