It's largely the same group that finished third last last year, so I'd have to disagree with you there. The season is 82 games, let's see where they fall at the conclusion of that.
- LeftCoaster

Burrows is having a better year , Prust Higgins Weber Hamhuis Bartowski gone , Miller not injured Edler not injured

Better D , better goal tending , better fourth line .

I guess that's where I'd disagree with you, because, I believe the game isn't simply about offensive numbers. Certainly a huge part of the game, but there's definitely more to it than that.

Bob Gainey is considered one of the greatest players ever and he only had 500 points. Toews is a great two-way center, you don't win a Conn Smythe and a Selke just cause.
- LeftCoaster

I agree that it isn't all about offence, I just think his body of work isn't as impressive at this stage of his career. If Toews couldn't play another game, is he a HoF player? I dont think his team wins get him in, as he often isn't the best player on those winning teams. I saw someone post on Twitter a compelling argument against him in that if this list was released 10 years ago, Lecavalier and/or Heatley would've likely been on it before they dropped off. At this moment in time he is among the better NHLers but that doesnt mean 100 best of all time IMO

On the TSN list, I have consideration for Oates, Malkin, probably a goalie such as Lou or Lundqvist ahead of Toews, even Hossa, Thornton and Henrik have bigger bodies of work. Just my thoughts on it, it really is a fun debate though and I am sure creating the list was very tough

Theyre also an Anderson injury away from being bottom 3, defence is pretty suspect
- ClarksonDavid

Its rough dealing for top D. No rush tbh.
Other teams like Dallas & TBL r another story.

Outside of Daniel and Henrik the Yotes forward vets are better than the Canucks, the point is they have a great prospect pool but still have several holes in their organization.

Just because we have two or three good prospects doesn't guarantee any type of success, there's a lot of work to be done post Sedin's.
- LeftCoaster

That's (frank)ing bs. They have horrific vets on that team. List them out.

I don't hate the Sedins . I am saying the Canucks are in the middle with them. That is not hate.
- VANTEL

To me, at times, it comes across as you blaming the Sedins for the Canucks current predicament. Also, complaining about their style of play and/or their salary at the end of a well deserved contract comes across as Mcrea-ish.
The Canucks are building for the future but it is not going to happen over night, after this season or probably the next. Right now, when the team plays well, it's fun and when they don't it's infuriating but I enjoy watching the young players develop through good & bad. I think we will see one more year like this, maybe two and then a slow and steady improvement after that. Hopefully not too slow.

To me, at times, it comes across as you blaming the Sedins for the Canucks current predicament. Also, complaining about their style of play and/or their salary at the end of a well deserved contract comes across as Mcrea-ish.
The Canucks are building for the future but it is not going to happen over night, after this season or probably the next. Right now, when the team plays well, it's fun and when they don't it's infuriating but I enjoy watching the young players develop through good & bad. I think we will see one more year like this, maybe two and then a slow and steady improvement after that. Hopefully not too slow.
- Marwood

I am not complaining at all even though it may come across as it on here.

Manvanfan said today he hopes the Canucks become the CBJs . Their players are faster and meaner and play a different style. It is not going to happen

Posters on here saying we will get a top 5 pick. The Sedins will keep us in the .500 range not the .300 range . That is actually a compliment

I said they create as much scoring chances as they give up. That is fact everyone gets old .

I see the Canucks honoring the existing contracts of all the vets. So people hoping for top picks IMO is pretty unlikely and we will change our style and culture in three years.

Burrows is having a better year , Prust Higgins Weber Hamhuis Bartowski gone , Miller not injured Edler not injured

Better D , better goal tending , better fourth line .
- VANTEL

They're within four points of where they were last year, it's only different if you choose not to see the resemblance. A couple kids have taken a step forward for sure, but their chances of finishing between third and tenth last is largely the same.

They're within four points of where they were last year, it's only different if you choose not to see the resemblance. A couple kids have taken a step forward for sure, but their chances of finishing between third and tenth last is largely the same.
- LeftCoaster

They also tanked with AHL call ups after Sutter and Edler were shut down

I agree that it isn't all about offence, I just think his body of work isn't as impressive at this stage of his career. If Toews couldn't play another game, is he a HoF player? I dont think his team wins get him in, as he often isn't the best player on those winning teams. I saw someone post on Twitter a compelling argument against him in that if this list was released 10 years ago, Lecavalier and/or Heatley would've likely been on it before they dropped off. At this moment in time he is among the better NHLers but that doesnt mean 100 best of all time IMO

On the TSN list, I have consideration for Oates, Malkin, probably a goalie such as Lou or Lundqvist ahead of Toews, even Hossa, Thornton and Henrik have bigger bodies of work. Just my thoughts on it, it really is a fun debate though and I am sure creating the list was very tough
- WhiteLie

I'll give you this, for the generation he was selected in, I would have picked Malkin over him 10/10.

They also tanked with AHL call ups after Sutter and Edler were shut down
- VANTEL

Yes they definitely played with an AHL laden lineup the last couple months, who knows what the final 35 games will bring, I still say they finish bottom ten.

That's (frank)ing bs. They have horrific vets on that team. List them out.
- CanuckDon

Datysuk, Pronger,...etc. Duhh!

Yes they definitely played with an AHL laden lineup the last couple months, who knows what the final 35 games will bring, I still say they finish bottom ten.
- LeftCoaster

Their Last 35 games last year

Best Dman Hamhuis

Best PMD Dman Bartowski

Best Goalie Markstrom

Best forward Hansen

Toughest player Dorsett

Its rough dealing for top D. No rush tbh.
Other teams like Dallas & TBL r another story.
- Nighthawk

Agreed. Dont think it will be something they address mid season tho. Tampa and Dallas are in weird spots, Dallas needs a goalie

Datysuk, Pronger,...etc. Duhh!
- Bakwas

What in the frank?

That's (frank)ing bs. They have horrific vets on that team. List them out.
- CanuckDon

Again you've missed the point entirely. The conversation was about young drafted players and having a couple prospects coming up in no way guarantees success. My point was just because Boeser, Demko and Juolevi are in our system does not in any way shape or form mean the Canucks are going to be fine when the Sedins leave....that's the point!

The Canucks need to continue to draft well for another three to five years before you even see a team that's not a wild card team. IMO it takes ~ eight years to draft a team that'll make you a threat on the playoffs.

Again you've missed the point entirely. The conversation was about young drafted players and having a couple prospects coming up in no way guarantees success. My point was just because Boeser, Demko and Juolevi are in our system does not in any way shape or form mean the Canucks are going to be fine when the Sedins leave....that's the point!

The Canucks need to continue to draft well for another three to five years before you even see a team that's not a wild card team. IMO it takes ~ eight years to draft a team that'll make you a threat on the playoffs.
- LeftCoaster

We need to draft well from now on not only 3-5 years. Most teams now know don't trade top picks.

Again you've missed the point entirely. The conversation was about young drafted players and having a couple prospects coming up in no way guarantees success. My point was just because Boeser, Demko and Juolevi are in our system does not in any way shape or form mean the Canucks are going to be fine when the Sedins leave....that's the point!

The Canucks need to continue to draft well for another three to five years before you even see a team that's not a wild card team. IMO it takes ~ eight years to draft a team that'll make you a threat on the playoffs.
- LeftCoaster

You are missing my point. I said the coyotes suck because regardless of their "elite" prospects they are surrounded by trash vets. You said they have better vets and I said you were high on Marwoods year old acid

What in the frank?
- CanuckDon

It was a joke guy! Stop getting your panties in a bunch!

It was a joke guy! Stop getting your panties in a bunch!
- Bakwas

I'm not wearing panties

I'm not wearing panties
- CanuckDon

Laundry day?

You are missing my point. I said the coyotes suck because regardless of their "elite" prospects they are surrounded by trash vets. You said they have better vets and I said you were high on Marwoods year old acid
- CanuckDon

For one, if you have a solid group of young players you don't need a massive group of veterans like the Canucks do.

Secondly, outside of the Sedins the Canucks have four good to decent veterans, the Yotes have three, hardly a huge difference maker. It's the Sedins that blind all you guys.

They have one year left on their contracts, and then, if they don't return, the Canucks become worse than the current rendition of the Arizona Coyotes.

For one, if you have a solid group of young players you don't need a massive group of veterans like the Canucks do.

Secondly, outside of the Sedins the Canucks have four good to decent veterans, the Yotes have three, hardly a huge difference maker. It's the Sedins that blind all you guys.

They have one year left on their contracts, and the, if they don't return, the Canucks become worse than the current of the Arizona Coyotes.
- LeftCoaster

How do you know the lineup in two years?

We need to draft well from now on not only 3-5 years. Most teams now know don't trade top picks.
- VANTEL

Of course. But when you're at the bottom of the league, or near the bottom, which we have been for two years, drafting is all that much more important.

London Knights down 3-0 in the first. They are getting worked!

Players that played in the last 35 games last year for Canucks that are not on the NHL roster this year

Shink
Vey
JV
McCann
Vrbata
Zalewski
Prust
Higgins
Kenins
Grenier
Etem
Cracknell
Bartowski
Weber
Pedan
Friesen
Fedun
Bachman
Hamhuis

Hard to believe we didn't win a cup