Let me be clear, I'm not blaming all of his struggles on the coaching staff, I just don't feel that they are doing enough to help. I could be wrong, but that is just how it seems to me.

Quite a few players seem to be underperforming this season. Do you think that none of that falls on the coaching staff?
- BiggE

It probably does a little bit but I'm not sure there is too much to work with. Noone he's going to be paired with will be a really great reliable partner and he can't play with Provy because he can't play against top lines in a shutdown role.

Personal responsibility! Get out of here. He's going through what I consider normal developmental growing pains for a young player.
- MJL

I for one refuse to take blame for any of my actions!

Let me be clear, I'm not blaming all of his struggles on the coaching staff, I just don't feel that they are doing enough to help. I could be wrong, but that is just how it seems to me.

Quite a few players seem to be underperforming this season. Do you think that none of that falls on the coaching staff?
- BiggE

You can't escape that the coaches are responsible for how the players and the team performs. They ultimately pay the price. Personally, how can I fault Hakstol for how Giroux has played, for how Couturier has played production wise. Goaltending has been subpar. We know they don't have the defense, and he's having to overplay defenseman.

From Nov 1 to Dec 1 they got as high as 85% which allowed them to get to 11 in the league.
- opeth_pa

Incorrect.

Incorrect.
- Feanor

You are wrong.
Im looking at their PK stats on NHL.com from Nov 1 to Dec 1

1. PK = 85%
2. League ranking 11

You are wrong.
Im looking at their PK stats on NHL.com from Nov 1 to Dec 1

1. PK = 85%
2. League ranking 11
- opeth_pa

Whatever happened to that guy?

You can't escape that the coaches are responsible for how the players and the team performs. They ultimately pay the price. Personally, how can I fault Hakstol for how Giroux has played, for how Couturier has played production wise. Goaltending has been subpar. We know they don't have the defense, and he's having to overplay defenseman.
- MJL

It's the coaches job to put the players in the best positions to succeed. At one point, he had Giroux centering Raffl and Read, IMO, that is not the best position for Giroux to be in to succeed. Ghost, at various points in the season, has been paired with 3 or 4 different partners. Pick one, and let the kid play with that guy night in and night out, the way Provorov seems to be doing with AMac.

At the end of the day, the players are responsible for their own performances, no one with half a brain would deny that. But the coaches are responsible for putting each player in the best possible position to succeed. At times, I think Hak and his staff, has not done a good job of this.

I'm not calling for Hak to be fired, but I really think he would benefit with a change in assistants. Having at least one assistant with NHL head coaching experience would be helpful, IMO. There is more to coaching than X's and O's. Coaching adult professionals is not the same as coaching college kids, I think Hak could use more help. I like his system, but there is more to being successful as a head coach at the NHL level than just systems.

You are wrong.
Im looking at their PK stats on NHL.com from Nov 1 to Dec 1

1. PK = 85%
2. League ranking 11
- opeth_pa

That's was their league ranking for that particular month, not their season ranking which was much lower.

Even for that one month out of the last three years of PK ineptitude, they weren't in top 10 like you claimed.

You can't escape that the coaches are responsible for how the players and the team performs. They ultimately pay the price. Personally, how can I fault Hakstol for how Giroux has played, for how Couturier has played production wise. Goaltending has been subpar. We know they don't have the defense, and he's having to overplay defenseman.
- MJL

He hasnt started the most skilled lineup. Personally, I still want more controlled entries, but there are reasons that can't happen sometimes.

I think he is doing a lot of good for the Flyers, but that doesn't mean he and the rest of the Flyers can't be better.

I am not going to argue if it is a good thing or a bad thing, and I haven't seen all of the games this year, but it seems to me like Hakstol leans more towards trying to get the team to play a specific way, regardless of opponent strengths/weaknesses.

It's the coaches job to put the players in the best positions to succeed. At one point, he had Giroux centering Raffl and Read, IMO, that is not the best position for Giroux to be in to succeed. Ghost, at various points in the season, has been paired with 3 or 4 different partners. Pick one, and let the kid play with that guy night in and night out, the way Provorov seems to be doing with AMac.
- BiggE

It isn't the best for Giroux's scoring production

That's was their league ranking for that particular month, not that their season ranking which was much lower.
- Feanor

Which is great but the statement I made was during a specific time frame.

He hasnt started the most skilled lineup. Personally, I still want more controlled entries, but there are reasons that can't happen sometimes.

I think he is doing a lot of good for the Flyers, but that doesn't mean he and the rest of the Flyers can't be better.

I am not going to argue if it is a good thing or a bad thing, and I haven't seen all of the games this year, but it seems to me like Hakstol leans more towards trying to get the team to play a specific way, regardless of opponent strengths/weaknesses.
- YuenglingJagr

Exactly.

Which is great but the statement I made was during a specific time frame.
- opeth_pa

Your statement was incorrect even if we assume by "their PK" you meant "their PK during November, ignoring the rest of the season for some reason".

When the Flyers were getting highend goaltending during the streak their PK climbed into the top 10.

11 comes after 10.

Also the 10 game winning "streak" didn't begin until 11/27/16 against Calgary.

Your statement was incorrect even if we assume by "their PK" you meant "their PK during November, ignoring the rest of the season for some reason".



11 comes after 10.
- Feanor

Yes which is why I posted that to show that I was incorrect in saying they got in the top 10 as they only got as high as 11th overall DURING THAT SPECIFIC TIME FRAME.

11 comes after 10.
- Feanor

Bullpoop.

just keep arguing that 11 comes before 10 long enough for everyone to get annoyed and it will become true

just keep arguing that 11 comes before 10 long enough for everyone to get annoyed and it will become true
- YuenglingJagr

Alternative Numbers.

It's the coaches job to put the players in the best positions to succeed. At one point, he had Giroux centering Raffl and Read, IMO, that is not the best position for Giroux to be in to succeed. Ghost, at various points in the season, has been paired with 3 or 4 different partners. Pick one, and let the kid play with that guy night in and night out, the way Provorov seems to be doing with AMac.

At the end of the day, the players are responsible for their own performances, no one with half a brain would deny that. But the coaches are responsible for putting each player in the best possible position to succeed. At times, I think Hak and his staff, has not done a good job of this.

I'm not calling for Hak to be fired, but I really think he would benefit with a change in assistants. Having at least one assistant with NHL head coaching experience would be helpful, IMO. There is more to coaching than X's and O's. Coaching adult professionals is not the same as coaching college kids, I think Hak could use more help. I like his system, but there is more to being successful as a head coach at the NHL level than just systems.
- BiggE

That's really just nitpicking. The coach has been trying to search for combinations that will work. How can you not consider what he has to work with roster wise? It does not matter what combination the coach puts out there in terms of line or defense pairings, where you can't find an issue. That's a question of talent, not coaching.

Alternative Numbers.
- Feanor

Now I understand why it's so easy for you to believe that Coots is having a good season so far..

PK has been awful for 3 years despite some great goaltending 5v5, amid poor defense. Does a goalie magically lose skill there? Or maybe it's playing your worst players there or a PK coach who tells his PKers to cluster(frank) in the slot.

Using a 1 month sample is a stretch.

PK has been awful for 3 years despite some great goaltending 5v5, amid poor defense. Does a goalie magically lose skill there? Or maybe it's playing your worst players there or a PK coach who tells his PKers to cluster(frank) in the slot.

Using a 1 month sample is a stretch to say they're anything but bad.
- Mononoke

DP the slot

He hasnt started the most skilled lineup. Personally, I still want more controlled entries, but there are reasons that can't happen sometimes.

I think he is doing a lot of good for the Flyers, but that doesn't mean he and the rest of the Flyers can't be better.

I am not going to argue if it is a good thing or a bad thing, and I haven't seen all of the games this year, but it seems to me like Hakstol leans more towards trying to get the team to play a specific way, regardless of opponent strengths/weaknesses.
- YuenglingJagr

Your first statement is far more opinion than fact. The Flyers as a team, aren't good enough and consistent enough to vary strategy greatly based on opponent. Hakstol is trying to build a team identity, and consistency of play. Many top coaches have the philosophy of play your game, and dictate play.

PK has been awful for 3 years despite some great goaltending 5v5, amid poor defense. Does a goalie magically lose skill there? Or maybe it's playing your worst players there or a PK coach who tells his PKers to cluster(frank) in the slot.

Using a 1 month sample is a stretch.
- Mononoke

I'd be willing to bet that if the Flyers added some more top defenseman to the lineup, their PK percentage would improve.

PSU hockey update....they lost twice to OSU and are now #4. The dream is dead

#regression

just keep arguing that 11 comes before 10 long enough for everyone to get annoyed and it will become true
- YuenglingJagr