Doomed

I think the plug was pulled too quickly on Laviolette. He's a proven NHL coach. 145-98-29 with the Flyers. Firing him an favor of a guy like Berube was questionable at best.
- PLindbergh31

Berube coached them into the playoffs and to a game 7 vs. the Eastern Conference Champs that season.

Messier played pretty long, too.
- Scoob

Yeah he was 42-43. I just think due to Lindros concussion history he'd never try it. Suffering a severe concussion at his age now would be a very bad thing.

Yeah he was 42-43. I just think due to Lindros concussion history he'd never try it. Suffering a severe concussion at his age now would be a very bad thing.
- PLindbergh31

Yes...which was why I wrote "theoretically." Obviously he wouldn't do it for health reasons.

Messier played pretty long, too.
- Scoob

Claude Lemieux, Gary Roberts, Teemu Selanne, Chris Chelios

Berube coached them into the playoffs and to a game 7 vs. the Eastern Conference Champs that season.
- Baxter27

Yes, and was fired the next season. I agree with the other posters who said to look at the players. Although I wasn't a fan of Berube and have been on the fence with Hakstol the same issues remain. Sooner or later it's not the coach.

Yes...which was why I wrote "theoretically." Obviously he wouldn't do it for health reasons.
- jmatchett383

Agreed. Skill wise, I don't doubt for a minute he could compete even at his age if he got in shape.

how long does it take for the signs to eventually point toward the coach, and GM?
they are clearly not hustling, skating hard, nor showing any emotion.
Hextall and his constant mantra of patience, while the few players are busting their asses knowing management will not back them with any attempt to fill a hole or two sends a different message. No team in this league wins 10 in a row without having a good enough group to compete at a playoff level. its bullpoop to say it was a fluke, or that its no indication of the type of team they have. thats like saying it really never happened.
the problem that Holmgren was completely one way in his logic, and now Hextall is the complete opposite in his.
i think the logic in building a team varies in what kind of team you already have not just one formula - no matter what.
they certainly have the right coach "stoic, show no emotion", guy to resemble the way they are playing. what's equally scary is Hextall saying he doesn't care if they lose every game moving forward, he's not changing his decision to continue to do nothing. If I'm a veteran on this team busting my ass, and hearing this I have a problem with it.
Hextall himself as a player went to Propps aid watching him get leveled, for the pride of the team as a player. what is the message in pride for this organization now?
no one says he should empty his cupboard of kids, but there is an "in between" logic compared to holmgrens.

agreed. Skill wise, I don't doubt for a minute he could compete even at his age if he got in shape.
- PLindbergh31

I'd talk Briere into training for a comeback, he's a better 3C option right now than Cousins or Laughton

how long does it take for the signs to eventually point toward the coach, and GM?
they are clearly not hustling, skating hard, nor showing any emotion.
Hextall and his constant mantra of patience, while the few players are busting their asses knowing management will not back them with any attempt to fill a hole or two sends a different message. No team in this league wins 10 in a row without having a good enough group to compete at a playoff level. its bullpoop to say it was a fluke, or that its no indication of the type of team they have. thats like saying it really never happened.
the problem that Holmgren was completely one way in his logic, and now Hextall is the complete opposite in his.
i think the logic in building a team varies in what kind of team you already have not just one formula - no matter what.
they certainly have the right coach "stoic, show no emotion", guy to resemble the way they are playing. what's equally scary is Hextall saying he doesn't care if they lose every game moving forward, he's not changing his decision to continue to do nothing. If I'm a veteran on this team busting my ass, and hearing this I have a problem with it.
Hextall himself as a player went to Propps aid watching him get leveled, for the pride if the team as a player. what is the message in pride for this organization now?
no one says he should empty his cupboard of kids, but there is an "in between" logic compared to holmgrens.
- puckhead17

Depending on where things are when he takes over, the GM gets about 4 years to start producing results. Coaches get 2-3.

I'd talk Briere into training for a comeback, he's a better 3C option right now than Cousins or Laughton

- BiggE

Briere and Desjardins could probably dress for this Flyers team. Not that they could shoulder more than 6-8 minutes a game but they could probably still go.

how long does it take for the signs to eventually point toward the coach, and GM?
they are clearly not hustling, skating hard, nor showing any emotion.
Hextall and his constant mantra of patience, while the few players are busting their asses knowing management will not back them with any attempt to fill a hole or two sends a different message. No team in this league wins 10 in a row without having a good enough group to compete at a playoff level. its bullpoop to say it was a fluke, or that its no indication of the type of team they have. thats like saying it really never happened.
the problem that Holmgren was completely one way in his logic, and now Hextall is the complete opposite in his.
i think the logic in building a team varies in what kind of team you already have not just one formula - no matter what.
they certainly have the right coach "stoic, show no emotion", guy to resemble the way they are playing. what's equally scary is Hextall saying he doesn't care if they lose every game moving forward, he's not changing his decision to continue to do nothing. If I'm a veteran on this team busting my ass, and hearing this I have a problem with it.
Hextall himself as a player went to Propps aid watching him get leveled, for the pride if the team as a player. what is the message in pride for this organization now?
no one says he should empty his cupboard of kids, but there is an "in between" logic compared to holmgrens.
- puckhead17

Sorry, I'm much more upset with the players. There is absolutely no excuse for a team captain making over 8 million per to be lazily gliding back on D. None. You're a (frank)ing pro and the team captain, play like one!

Yeah he was 42-43. I just think due to Lindros concussion history he'd never try it. Suffering a severe concussion at his age now would be a very bad thing.
- PLindbergh31

Right. I assumed the post was purely hypothetical .

Claude Lemieux, Gary Roberts, Teemu Selanne, Chris Chelios
- jmatchett383

We're gonna do it

Give us any chance, we'll take it
Read us any rule, we'll break it
We're gonna make our dreams come true
Doin' it our way

Depending on where things are when he takes over, the GM gets about 4 years to start producing results. Coaches get 2-3.
- BINGO!

4 years if you only had poop for a team to begin with.
hes using the same logic as if they were the 1989 Nordiques.
its bullpoop.

pride

Doomed
- Streit2ThePoint

truth...we are going nowhere without any wheels

Sorry, I'm much more upset with the players.
- BiggE

There's a lot I could say to that post but this is about as good a summary as it gets.

Flyers are off so I am assuming they won't get a chance to look at our applications.

Regardless, with the coach getting the week off, it is up to us to fix this

Sorry, I'm much more upset with the players. There is absolutely no excuse for a team captain making over 8 million per to be lazily gliding back on D. None. You're a (frank)ing pro and the team captain, play like one!
- BiggE

maybe he's tired because boyd gordon didn't come in and save him from taking faceoffs and playing defensive situations

how long does it take for the signs to eventually point toward the coach, and GM?
they are clearly not hustling, skating hard, nor showing any emotion.
Hextall and his constant mantra of patience, while the few players are busting their asses knowing management will not back them with any attempt to fill a hole or two sends a different message. No team in this league wins 10 in a row without having a good enough group to compete at a playoff level. its bullpoop to say it was a fluke, or that its no indication of the type of team they have. thats like saying it really never happened.
the problem that Holmgren was completely one way in his logic, and now Hextall is the complete opposite in his.
i think the logic in building a team varies in what kind of team you already have not just one formula - no matter what.
they certainly have the right coach "stoic, show no emotion", guy to resemble the way they are playing. what's equally scary is Hextall saying he doesn't care if they lose every game moving forward, he's not changing his decision to continue to do nothing. If I'm a veteran on this team busting my ass, and hearing this I have a problem with it.
Hextall himself as a player went to Propps aid watching him get leveled, for the pride of the team as a player. what is the message in pride for this organization now?
no one says he should empty his cupboard of kids, but there is an "in between" logic compared to holmgrens.
- puckhead17

Well said Hextall I think, imho needs to show the veterans a little bit more of support by getting some help maybe a small twik to spark the team? A energy type player?not sure if ones available, but something to push for the playoffs, what says you? 😨

I was at the game yesterday, and the Flyers had a shot advantage heading out of the first period, but they seemed lethargic throughout most of the game. They didn't execute on any level: offense, defense, goaltending, PP, PK. Well, okay, they did alright on faceoffs, but that's it.

The blog post pointed out the essential underlying fact: they are not as good at the 10-game winning streak indicated, and they are not as bad as the last two games.

The realist says, this team cannot hope to compete in the postseason against the Bluejackets, Pens, Caps, and Rangers. I mean, they still haven't figured out how to beat the Devils.

Looking at the schedule ahead of them and the teams with games in hand, the Flyers are not going to make the playoffs. I mean, they could, but it's a case where they'd push themselves to the limits and fade out in the first round. They're simply not good enough.

So what do you do? Do you go full throttle towards hoping for a first-round exit, or do you evaluate the season and say, "we may be willing to sacrifice the season if it helps us in the long run."

If the current trends continue, they're looking at a top 10 pick. Granted, the draft this year is nothing like 2015 or even 2016, but the Flyers have some desirable pending free agents who could net returns of 2nd and 3rd round picks. (Del Zotto, Streit, Neuvirth could all help out other teams.) I'd rather see them stock up the system with more centers and wingers and build towards a future with speed, depth, and flexibility.

Well said Hextall I think, imho needs to show the veterans a little bit more of support by getting some help maybe a small twik to spark the team? A energy type player?not sure if ones available, but something to push for the playoffs, what says you? 😨
- MR.Hunter

says there will not be a magical outside the organization cure to what is going on with this team. it will come from within either the players themselves or within the organ-I-zation

Sorry, I'm much more upset with the players. There is absolutely no excuse for a team captain making over 8 million per to be lazily gliding back on D. None. You're a (frank)ing pro and the team captain, play like one!
- BiggE

As frustrating as that was considering it was the third or fourth time Giroux did that last week, that play is primarily on Provorov.

I hate to call out a rookie who has far exceeded already high expectations but he looked his age on that play. It's not even the turnover on a bouncing puck that bothered me. He follows his man to the goal line instead of keeping his eye on the play which he could've interrupted if he stops chasing and squares up.

Giroux's lack of effort is unacceptable but I think he's anticipating the puck coming back out on a rebound and looking to pounce with support. Something that's been wrong with his game all over the ice. He's watching far too much instead of getting involved.

Well said Hextall I think, imho needs to show the veterans a little bit more of support by getting some help maybe a small twik to spark the team? A energy type player?not sure if ones available, but something to push for the playoffs, what says you? 😨
- MR.Hunter

You must not have listened to him Saturday or Sunday post game.

Sorry, I'm much more upset with the players. There is absolutely no excuse for a team captain making over 8 million per to be lazily gliding back on D. None. You're a (frank)ing pro and the team captain, play like one!
- BiggE

i hear you, but what if hes thinking, Im busting my ass, knowing we are only a few pieces away from being much much better, and my GM is playing a card game dreaming of building the 85 Oilers.
and the pride & passion my GM showed as a player is read into a stoic manaquin behind the bench, benching the same youth the organization is ramming down the throats of the veterans who give a poop. i hear you, hes getting paid $8m to play hard, but players arent stupid, they know they have to work that much harder because the GM wants to play an all or nothing "marinate the youth" game. How hard would you bust your ass knowing full well your GM will not back you with any help??