Giroux isn't a top line center anymore and Schenn producing?... Only scores only PP. top paid guys aren't producing & it starts with the captain. But it isn't his fault it's the players he plays with apparently.
- Williamc5468

Schenn has goals in 4 games in a row and leads thr league in PP goals .
Yes he is producing .

You can make the type of argument for G except being the captain its not good enoigh to only get PP points..i mean this is brutal, the top 10 players on the Flyers are all minus by 3 more more..

Giroux is really starting to concern me. Simmonds and Voracek, for the most part, have played really well this season. Giroux though, except for a few games, has been a total non factor at ES this season. He's an undersized guy who gets banged up a lot and is pushing 30. He seems to have lost half a step and it really makes a difference. He's still a good player, and lethal on the pp, but at this point in his career he's a 2C. No matter how good the Flyers D prospects are, they must find a new top center. In a couple of years when this team is ready to compete for the Cup, a 31-32 year old Giroux won't be that guy.
- BiggE

Just for optics, Giroux is ranked 104th in the NHL is ES scoring. Not good enough. He's still going to score 60+ points, so that really is 1st line center production, but I agree his ES play is not good enough.

The off wing dman has the center lane drive. You don't take a man in the neutral zone and mark him until you get the puck back. It's hockey, not basketball.
- phatpat44

That is incorrect. I'll again ask you if Streit takes Krug, who covers Bergeron? You're arguing that the lead opposition player, who is the puck carrier on Streit's side of the ice, is not the defenseman's responsibility.

If the Flyers played a LW lock, or a hybrid there of, you might have somewhat of a point. Even then with the absence of a forward on the outer 3rd of the ice, where the puck carrier is, it would still be Streit's man to take, to cut off the puck carrier. It's basic hockey. Weise made several errors in the offensive zone as the 3rd high forward, and then failed to bust it on the back check.

Just for optics, Giroux is ranked 104th in the NHL is ES scoring. Not good enough. He's still going to score 60+ points, so that really is 1st line center production, but I agree his ES play is not good enough.
- MJL

And I doubt his ES production will improve as he hits his 30s

Giroux isn't a top line center anymore and Schenn producing?... Only scores only PP. top paid guys aren't producing & it starts with the captain. But it isn't his fault it's the players he plays with apparently.
- Williamc5468

I love when you show up, it's proof that your AIDS meds are working

And I doubt his ES production will improve as he hits his 30s
- BiggE

I personally believe that Giroux can play better at ES then he is now. I could be wrong. I agree completely that it looks like he has lost a step, and lacks explosiveness. Perhaps the hip and abdominal injuries have caught up to him. He was a non factor today at ES.

That is incorrect. I'll again ask you if Streit takes Krug, who covers Bergeron? You're arguing that the lead opposition player, who is the puck carrier on Streit's side of the ice, is not the defenseman's responsibility.

If the Flyers played a LW lock, or a hybrid there of, you might have somewhat of a point. Even then with the absence of a forward on the outer 3rd of the ice, where the puck carrier is, it would still be Streit's man to take, to cut off the puck carrier. It's basic hockey. Weise made sever errors in the offensive zone as the 3rd high forward, and then failed to bust it on the back check.
- MJL

The player closer to the net is almost always going to be the responsibility of the dman. Bergeron, who doesn't have the puck and is the 4th closest person to the net, is going to be the responsibility of a back checker. I'm not talking about when Bergeron had the puck. He passed it. If Berson keeps the puck and tries to go around Streit, he has to take him. But he didn't he passed it. Therefore, responsibilities change.

The left wing lock is irrelevant here. That's a type of forecheck. The play was out of the zone. This is a very typical 3 on 2 type play.

Schenn has goals in 4 games in a row and leads thr league in PP goals .
Yes he is producing .

You can make the type of argument for G except being the captain its not good enoigh to only get PP points..i mean this is brutal, the top 10 players on the Flyers are all minus by 3 more more..
- opeth_pa

Schenn just needs to do more in ES like the rest of the guys. Yes it is very brutal that they are all minus at ES. Never been a Giroux guy but it concerns me that he is 30 and let's be honest on the down side of his career but his cap hit is over 8 million & it's gonna kill this team moving forward when we are ready to compete for a cup with the younger guys.

I personally believe that Giroux can play better at ES then he is now. I could be wrong. I agree completely that it looks like he has lost a step, and lacks explosiveness. Perhaps the hip and abdominal injuries have caught up to him. He was a non factor today at ES.
- MJL

I hope you're right, but I fear the injuries have started catching up to him

The player closer to the net is almost always going to be the responsibility of the dman. Bergeron, who doesn't have the puck and is the 4th closest person to the net, is going to be the responsibility of a back checker. I'm not talking about when Bergeron had the puck. He passed it. If Berson keeps the puck and tries to go around Streit, he has to take him. But he didn't he passed it. Therefore, responsibilities change.

The left wing lock is irrelevant here. That's a type of forecheck. The play was out of the zone. This is a very typical 3 on 2 type play.
- phatpat44

You need to watch the replay. You state that Bergeron doesn't have the puck. That is incorrect. Bergeron is the puck carrier on the play, that Streit is covering. The responsibilities don't change when he passes the puck, because Streit is out way too wide to have any chance to get to Krug on the center drive. Krug is Weise's man all the way.

Left wing lock is not just a forecheck, it is also how a team covers the neutral zone. It breaks the ice into 3rds with a defenseman on the right 3rd of ice, another defenseman in the center 3rd of the ice, with a forward having back check responsibilities on the off wing 3rd of the ice. Since the Flyers don't play a LW lock, it is irrelevant, but only brought up because that is the only way what you state makes sense.

You still haven't answered my question of if Streit takes Krug, who covers Bergeron, the puck carrier?

It's getting closer.

You need to watch the replay. You state that Bergeron doesn't have the puck. That is incorrect. Bergeron is the puck carrier on the play, that Streit is covering. The responsibilities don't change when he passes the puck, because Streit is out way too wide to have any chance to get to Krug on the center drive. Krug is Weise's man all the way.

Left wing lock is not just a forecheck, it is also how a team covers the neutral zone. It breaks the ice into 3rds with a defenseman on the right 3rd of ice, another defenseman in the center 3rd of the ice, with a forward having back check responsibilities on the off wing 3rd of the ice. Since the Flyers don't play a LW lock, it is irrelevant, but only brought up because that is the only way what you state makes sense.

You still haven't answered my question of if Streit takes Krug, who covers Bergeron, the puck carrier?
- MJL

Sure, here it is.

[/img]http://i.imgur.com/xD4DjSE.png[img]

When the puck is gone, Streit has a large head start on Krug. He should easily be able to beat him to the net. But he got toasted. If he can't get there, he shouldn't have pressed so hard on Bergeron. Let him get into the zone.

I did answer that question. If Bergeron keeps the puck, Streit takes him. But he didn't keep the puck.[/img]

Edit: How do you post pictures?

Time to forget about this game, and get excited for the big game tonight.
- MJL

Were Bryzgalov or Ryan Parent invited?

Sure, here it is.


- phatpat44[/img]http://i.imgur.com/xD4DjSE.png[img]

When the puck is gone, Streit has a large head start on Krug. He should easily be able to beat him to the net. But he got toasted. If he can't get there, he shouldn't have pressed so hard on Bergeron. Let him get into the zone.

I did answer that question. If Bergeron keeps the puck, Streit takes him. But he didn't keep the puck.[/img]

Edit: How do you post pictures?

It is not possible for Streit to cover both Bergeron and Krug on the play. You are focused on distance, rather than width. Feel free to post any pictures. They make my point.

Team needs a change. G, Jake, Simmonds, Schenn, Couturier.... Like them all, but something is not working. Stuck in mediocrity . Give Montreal credit, they knew changes had to be made and they pulled off 2 bold moves this off season. Changed the culture of team.
Yes Homer made some stupid moves but IMO he made more good moves than bad.
He had the balls to make a deal. I know they are not a Cup contender but they also don't have to be this inconsistent

Flyers coaches have come and gone...Flyers gm's have come and gone but yet the same type Flyers underachieving teams . Some certain "core" player/players need to go maybe.

Also, Hextall needs to wake from his coma and either trade some players away or add to a sliding team. Don't just sit there until you're eliminated and players lose some value as other teams know you want to unload them.

How would Sam Gagner look back on this team, instead of Hextall letting him walk away. Gagner makes LESS than Boyd Gordon for christ sake.

Flyers coaches have come and gone...Flyers gm's have come and gone but yet the same type Flyers underachieving teams . Some certain "core" player/players need to go maybe.

Also, Hextall needs to wake from his coma and either trade some players away or add to a sliding team. Don't just sit there until you're eliminated and players lose some value as other teams know you want to unload them.

How would Sam Gagner look back on this team, instead of Hextall letting him walk away. Gagner makes LESS than Boyd Gordon for christ sake.
- twpguy

As far as a roster shakeup or any trades, Hextall needs to do exactly what I guess he is going to do, nothing! Sam Gagner wouldn't be a difference maker on this team right now.

As far as a roster shakeup or any trades, Hextall needs to do exactly what I guess he is going to do, nothing! Sam Gagner wouldn't be a difference maker on this team right now.
- MJL

Ganger would not make a difference however IF this continues at this inconsistent level a change must be made. Like I said, give Montreal credit they saw that and they are a better team for it.

Ganger would not make a difference however IF this continues at this inconsistent level a change must be made. Like I said, give Montreal credit they saw that and they are a better team for it.
- 3flyerkids

When did Montreal make their changes?

As far as a roster shakeup or any trades, Hextall needs to do exactly what I guess he is going to do, nothing! Sam Gagner wouldn't be a difference maker on this team right now.
- MJL

I agree. Stay the course for the most part. Continue to draft well and hope for some good luck along the way.

When did Montreal make their changes?
- MJL

In the off season. Flyers don't have to make changes tomorrow. Just realize that they have to be made then make them.
I said they can't just keep being a mediocre inconsistent hockey team with the same core guys

Don't see them making a trade and I don't agree with one now either.

Stay the course, and sell at the deadline if you have to.

The difference this year is that dominant goaltending has not been there. Average overall and that has exposed a lot more of the flaws.

I am in favour of Morin playing and with the bye week he could get some valuable practice time. Ghost cannot sit again.

Ganger would not make a difference however IF this continues at this inconsistent level a change must be made. Like I said, give Montreal credit they saw that and they are a better team for it.
- 3flyerkids

Montreal is a team that is ready to compete now with the best goaltender on the planet. The Flyers are at a completely different point in their development. It's not nearly the same situation.

Ganger would not make a difference however IF this continues at this inconsistent level a change must be made. Like I said, give Montreal credit they saw that and they are a better team for it.
- 3flyerkids

Gagner wouldn't be a difference maker, but Wiese at 4x the cap hit is an enormous difference maker.