Don't worry about mounting losses. Canucks are coming to town and they gift points away. Look at sad sack Preds they think they won a WC spot after giveaway from last night. The list can go on. Plus the Flyers are a great young and fast team. Just ask Lefty Nuckers alt from Canuck's thread

I would never sit Weise while VdV is in the lineup. Weise would be an upgrade at 4LW, and Couturier/Read/Lyubimov would be an upgrade on the PK.
- Feanor

As I said yesterday, Weise's lack of scoring has been an issue, but the good news is that 22-10-17 line has seemed to bring the best out of him. He actually is resembling Montreal Weise again.

But, even with the lack of scoring, Weise has the 3rd best goal differential on the team behind Raffl and Read. So to say Weise has been detrimental or is actually costing the team wins.....it's a bit much. It's based more on his defense and NZ play, and he's paid to score more, but he hasn't been a disaster in terms of goal events.

I have a feeling Gordon will eventually be the 4th line center to finish the season. I could see a playoff team taking a cheap player like Bellemare to a playoff run. Doesn't cost a lot, will be ufa, solid skater and can play the PK.

He is one of those adds playoff teams like
- J35Bacher

not a chance. If you remember I also gave you the answer to this question. I stated with certainty he wouldnt finish the year as the 4th line center. at this point I doubt he even finishes the year with the Flyers

Giroux is Wheezie?

hes been healthy scratched, but i think hes played better than his goal totals suggest
- YuenglingJagr

Sell when his totals get any near HIGH

Giroux is Wheezie?
- Feanor

edited because I thought it was Weise. Changed the post.


Weise is Wheezie

if there is ever a time you don't care about a clean pass out and just care out getting it out whether its a pass or chip off the glass that is it with so little time left in the period.
- nastyflyergirl

The problem actually start before he passes it. He hesitated (which is something he does a lot) and then he lost time and space and had to move it up quickly which ended causing the turnover. He then rushes the pass behind the boards where he could have just tapped it over to provy who (with possession) could have moved the puck out. Instead he whacked it which caused a 50/50 play and the poke to Simmonds.

No it's not. Gordon barely plays and when he does, the team gets wrecked.

Goals allowed count just as much as goals for.
- Feanor

who cares, he is the 13th player on a one year deal who could very well be sent to the AHL if they felt the need. Weise is making too much money for what he is contributing. I still have hope he will start chipping in more but if he doesn't that signing in way worse.

Oh for sure, it's far from a disaster. Just comparing it to Gordon's contract.
- BINGO!

hey, if that is what you're into...i wont judge

I could see Cousins.

If he isn't playing then they could try to sneak him through. I am not sure what his future is here. He doesn't seem to be useful on wing and he isn't playing much in the center.

I think it's a decent chance he gets through
- J35Bacher

Waiving Cousins instead of Gordon would be insane.

23 years old versus 33.
10 points versus 1 .
376 minutes versus 106.

Let's also ignore how the Sabres player who intercepted the terrible turn over by blindly passing it to center ice and luckily MacDonald wasn't playing with his bumhole and happened to get the puck.
- Streit2ThePoint

Really? The Sabres player who never had possession of the puck? Provorov makes a solid play to keep it moving but the point is the puck get's to Simmonds. Before that, Macdonald covers his man so he can't make a play on the pass following his turnover and safely distributes the puck along the wall.

Boyd Gordon and Dale Weise have to be among the echelon of all-time buffoonish signings. How I loathe them.
- countreeman28

Close

edited because I thought it was Weise. Changed the post.


Weise is Wheezie
- MBFlyerfan

Let's hope he moves up soon, then.

not a chance. If you remember I also gave you the answer to this question. I stated with certainty he wouldnt finish the year as the 4th line center. at this point I doubt he even finishes the year with the Flyers
- YuenglingJagr

He might not.

I do think the Flyers have some pieces playoff teams would like. Not marquee guys but guys that playoff teams like to add for depth or certain roles.

Close
- Landsbergfan

Really? Turner Stevenson? A dude signed the same year as Mike Rathje and you go with him?

http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/15004-fire-head-coach-dave-hakstol/
- Landsbergfan

I see no threads like this on here go away Hak gonna sit so long hex is in the "chair"

Looks to me like he was passing to Giroux and he passed it too hard. Giroux didn't have his stick on the ice and wasn't ready for it.
AMac makes nice recovery after the Buffalo player turns it over (yeah, I was amazed too that another player could turn over a puck) and makes a decent pass to get it on its way out. Simmonds then fails and well, you know what happens.

But yes, it was all on AMac and no one else.

I'm not trying to defend AMac, if it were up to me he would be gone, but it is just silly some of the criticism he gets.
- MBFlyerfan

Im talking about the beginning of the play. Like I said, mistakes often compound mistakes. A-Mac double clutches the puck before he turned it over. That hesitation puts the whole play in motion. He stops moving, pumps and then turned it over. But lets blame G there. Then he makes a "nice" recovery off of a Sabre turnover and boots it past an open Provy and forces an unnecessary 50/50. Simmer made his mistake. Thats not whats being discussed though.. It doesnt absolve Simmer, he still made the costly turnover, but it starts with two bad plays by MacDonald.

Waiving Cousins instead of Gordon would be insane.

23 years old versus 33.
10 points versus 1 .
376 minutes versus 106.
- Feanor

Could be.

But are you resigning him? Is he part of the future? He is kind of getting himself into Akeson territory.

I'm just glad that the cause that led to the third goal of a 4-1 loss has become a 5 page argument over who's most at fault.

Really? Turner Stevenson? A dude signed the same year as Mike Rathje and you go with him?
- jmatchett383

Come on do not be harsh to a crippled player

Could be.

But are you resigning him? Is he part of the future? He is kind of getting himself into Akeson territory.
- J35Bacher

I'd rather have Akeson than Gordon too.

Cousins could/could not be a part of the future. Gordon will definitely not be.

Come on do not be harsh to a crippled player
- Landsbergfan

I'm not, I'm sure he's a nice guy. But he was the Flyers' worst signing of the 2005 offseason.

if there is ever a time you don't care about a clean pass out and just care out getting it out whether its a pass or chip off the glass that is it with so little time left in the period.
- nastyflyergirl

I actually believe statistically he is the worst Flyer at getting the puck out with possession fwiw.

But this play is basically MacDonald in a nutshell. When he's playing at a typical level, he, at least no more than any other d man, won't make the egregious turnover that leads directly to the goal; he won't completely botch some coverage. Hence this idea he is "reliable" or "structured," as he goes around in his shot block stance and whatnot. But his entire game operates around indirectly causing breakdowns or d-zone time by little mistakes all over the ice. A questionable pinch or a questionable not pinch; constantly poor gap control to allow the opposition to set up in their zone; failed clears and missed passes; hesitating and missing openings; and just a general passivity in a defenseman with NHL skills and an AHL mind.

So many of these things are preventable. And when they happen consistently, they allow opportunities for bad bounces or for other mistakes. Yes, he'll have his egregious plays, but so does every d man. His fatal flaw is his propensity for subtle errors, like a constant theme, that open up for things to get compounded.

I'd rather have Akeson than Gordon too.

Cousins could/could not be a part of the future. Gordon will definitely not be.
- jmatchett383

I'd rather have Trent Klatt or Joel Otto.

Maybe even a Kent Manderville

It was to Giroux, but the pass was too hard and inaccurate.

A safer play would have been to flip it up and out into the neutral zone.
- Feanor

or use the near boards, which happened to have a flyer positioned in the right place to receive a pass...or rip it hard off the glass on the same side out to the neutral zone.