Weise has been creating scoring chances for himself and line mates ever since that combination was put together. He's also been strong in his own end and a major part of that line's strong cycle game in the offensive zone. If you're expecting more from him, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. What he did the first half of the season is irrelevant to how he is playing right now. I have no idea what you're watching to call him another Umberger.
- Baxter27

At some point, the "doing a lot of things well" has to translate to actual points being put up. If he is not going to do that, then the Flyers overpaid in a sick way.

When that happens, I'll gladly eat it and call him more than an Umberger clone.

He has barely any physical game or snarl to him for that matter.

thats what that post was for
- nastyflyergirl

:-) just a little insight into the workings of Scoob

thats what that post was for
- nastyflyergirl

lol

Couturier's offensive game is worrisome. Schenn is very streaky. Would like to see more consistency from him. Team has a ton of holes.
- PLindbergh31

I know many believe that I love Schenn to the point where I believe he can do no wrong but this isn't the case. I just don't think Couturier is leaps and bounces better than Schenn and vice versa. They're just two different players. It's really the I love Richards but hate Carter effect fans have here. I get that the majority respect a center who can shutdown Mallon in a playoff series is gonna be bowed down to but Coots has been living off that praise for years. Now, I agree that Schenn is a streaky offensive player and is flawed at center but while Coots is a legitimate shutdown player, I view Schenn as an advantage because he can step into all three forward spots. Couturier can't and we don't need him to. Jake can't. Simmonds can't.

I think we're lucky to have both Schenn and Couturier. I just think we need another piece in the offense. This group misses JvR, Hartnell and Jagr. At the same time, Couturier and Schenn need to bring more.

I know many believe that I love Schenn to the point where I believe he can do no wrong but this isn't the case. I just don't think Couturier is leaps and bounces better than Schenn and vice versa. They're just two different players. It's really the I love Richards but hate Carter effect fans have here. I get that the majority respect a center who can shutdown Mallon in a playoff series is gonna be bowed down to but Coots has been living off that praise for years. Now, I agree that Schenn is a streaky offensive player and is flawed at center but while Coots is a legitimate shutdown player, I view Schenn as an advantage because he can step into all three forward spots. Couturier can't and we don't need him to. Jake can't. Simmonds can't.

I think we're lucky to have both Schenn and Couturier. I just think we need another piece in the offense. This group misses JvR, Hartnell and Jagr. A top the same time, Couturier and Schenn need to bring more.
- SuperSchennBros

Couturier has lived off praise because he came into the league and showed he could frustrate/shutdown some top guys, and had that hot streak against the Pens in the playoffs. The fancy stat folks love him, because he is always so close to breaking out or whatever.

I like him, but am not blind that at this point he is a 'Handzus'. There is also nothing wrong with that. I hoped for more, but alas.

Schenn is a guy that will give you points every year. He needs to be put with skilled guys to do that however as he wont carry something on his own by any means.

Both have value, but again, I hoped for a bit more than a 'Handzus' and passenger winger that often looks like a warm body if he isn't putting up points.

The only time Raffl should be on the top line with G is if they have Voracek on their right side.

I like Raffl, but unless he's playing with guys who are highly skilled, he's a 3rd line player. Which is basically what G's line has become.
- flyer_nutter

Agree.. Read must come off that first line. Raffl is a great 3rd line player on a good team. G deserves better than Read and Raffl
I had the pleasure of being at that poop show last night and it was just a mess of a game

If you hold a team to 1 goal you still need to score 2 to win.
1 goal against the Sabers just isnt going to get it done.

Tier 1 offensive players..
At a certain point the consistency of G, Jake and Simmonds going cold together over years indicates to me that they dont have the secondary scoring to take coverage off them.

Teir 2 offensive players.
This season Coots is not producing overall in a way that offsets pressure.
Schenn is inconsistent in the sense that he scores in spurts but you know you are going to get 20 goals from him.
TK is a 19 year old rookie learning to adapt.

Everyone else, what more needs to be said..I like Raffl and Read in bottom 6 roles or spot relief on the top 2 lines.

I'm sure you can tell by my post I am pretty patient. I agree with the way Hextall is doing business. May not like all the moves but overall I think he is doing a great job. Being at the Phantoms game Saturday and watching Lyon, Sanheim, Morin and even Hagg has me feeling positive. watching the world juniors has me feeling positive. But my patience is running out with AMAC. He seems like a good guy and I want him to do well but I am just so frustrated with him and the fact he is making 5 million. that contract is hideous.
- nastyflyergirl

It doesn't matter how well MacDonald plays, he is not capable of living up to that contract. That doesn't change that he has played well overall for most of the season.

It doesn't matter how well MacDonald plays, he is not capable of living up to that contract. That doesn't change that he has played well overall for most of the season.
- MJL

I agree. it was a bad deal period. I don't agree that he has played well overall. he plays well in stretches but is played way too much.

I agree. it was a bad deal period. I don't agree that he has played well overall. he plays well in stretches but is played way too much.
- nastyflyergirl

He is not a top pairing defenseman, and we all know it. He had a stretch or games earlier in the year, where he didn't play well, and he had a subpar game last night, but overall, he has played well. That's why Hakstol keeps throwing him out there for 19+ minutes a game. If he wasn't playing well, his icetime would be cut. Streit is ready to come back, so we'll see what happens.

Giroux isn't an allstar? what?

He has barely any physical game or snarl to him for that matter.
- flyer_nutter

That's false. Wiese is one of the leading hitters on the team. He plays well on the wall. If he can start providing some support offense, he'll be fine.

Giroux isn't an allstar? what?
- 2Real

Shocking given he's the 3rd best center in PA.

Giroux isn't an allstar? what?
- 2Real

He is in my book.

Couturier has lived off praise because he came into the league and showed he could frustrate/shutdown some top guys, and had that hot streak against the Pens in the playoffs. The fancy stat folks love him, because he is always so close to breaking out or whatever.
- flyer_nutter

That has nothing to do with it. It's his ES production while getting the hardest defensive matchups since he became the 2C at the start of the 13-14 season that impresses people. He didn't come close to breaking out, he broke out last season when he became the 2nd Flyer forward this decade to pace for 50 points while not being on the top PP unit.

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 1h1 hour ago
Lines look different:
Raffl-Giroux-Konecny
Read/Cousins-Couturier-Voracek
Gordon/Weise-Schenn-Simmonds
VandeVelde-Bellemare-Lyubimov


Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 1h1 hour ago
Defense pairs:
Provorov-MacDonald
DelZotto-Manning
Streit-Gudas
Schultz-Gostisbehere

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 1h1 hour ago
Lines look different:
Raffl-Giroux-Konecny
Read/Cousins-Couturier-Voracek
Gordon/Weise-Schenn-Simmonds
VandeVelde-Bellemare-Lyubimov


Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 1h1 hour ago
Defense pairs:
Provorov-MacDonald
DelZotto-Manning
Streit-Gudas
Schultz-Gostisbehere
- JFlyers00

sigh

He is in my book.
- Scoob

that's all that matters

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 1h1 hour ago
Lines look different:
Raffl-Giroux-Konecny
Read/Cousins-Couturier-Voracek
Gordon/Weise-Schenn-Simmonds
VandeVelde-Bellemare-Lyubimov


Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac 1h1 hour ago
Defense pairs:
Provorov-MacDonald
DelZotto-Manning
Streit-Gudas
Schultz-Gostisbehere
- JFlyers00

going full Quenville

that's all that matters
- YuenglingJagr

amen

At some point, the "doing a lot of things well" has to translate to actual points being put up. If he is not going to do that, then the Flyers overpaid in a sick way.

When that happens, I'll gladly eat it and call him more than an Umberger clone.

He has barely any physical game or snarl to him for that matter.
- flyer_nutter

There is no doubt his production over the first half of the season isn't where it needs to be based on expectations created from previous seasons and his contract.

Right now he is playing a quality 3rd line role. He could've easily had a few points since being placed with Simmonds and Schenn.

Also there is a lot criticism about how Weise uses his size. I think a lot of it is valuing reckless physicality over disciplined effective use of it. He's no Ryan White but that's a good thing. I'll gladly take 15 PIMs over 60 from a bottom 6 forward.

That has nothing to do with it. It's his ES production while getting the hardest defensive matchups since he became the 2C at the start of the 13-14 season that impresses people. He didn't come close to breaking out, he broke out last season when he became the 2nd Flyer forward this decade to pace for 50 points while not being on the top PP unit.
- Feanor

No doubt he had a solid season last year but that doesn't excuse him from not producing this season.

I hold to my stance that by the end of the season, based off his past performance , he should balance out but like many players on this team he has not produced to the level they need to this point. These are his stats so far and it's not good enough for someone that is a key player on this team.

GP 27
Goals 7
Assists 3
P-M -4

sigh
- YuenglingJagr

I would just put the pressure on the top players. Either they step up or not.

Schenn - Giroux - Simmonds
Konecny - Couturier - Voracek
Weise - Raffl - Read
Lyubimov - Bellemare - Vandevelde

I understand the needing depth in the lineup but I think that will start to happen when some of the prospects start to filter in.


Right now I need my top guys to produce.

And I think it's time to maybe bring Laughton up and just waive Gordon. Laughton needs to sink or swim in some role up here.

And I think it's time to maybe bring Laughton up and just waive Gordon. Laughton needs to sink or swim in some role up here.
- J35Bacher

When Streit comes back (as those lines suggest he may) they'd have to waive someone in addition to Gordon to bring Laughton up

That's false. Wiese is one of the leading hitters on the team. He plays well on the wall. If he can start providing some support offense, he'll be fine.
- MJL

And if I sprouted jet engines and wings I'd be an airplane. Weise is crap and AMac is an overpaid 3rd pair Dman. The fact that everyone on this site but you can easily see this makes me wonder what team you are watching.

News flash: coaches and GMs make mistakes, they aren't perfect.
Signing Weise was a mistake
Pairing their best Dman with AMac is a mistake
Sticking Chris Vandevelde out there, night after night is a mistake.