But we can just buy better guys and then add them to the current guys and raise our overall level of guys. I call it addition by addition.
- Feanor

What kind of sorcery is this?

Absolutely, the type of player we miss and need. Character guy
- 3flyerkids

who is playing a reduced role in Columbus now. honestly I liked Hartnell but am fine that they got out from under that contract based on the cap situation they have and will have moving forward. my only gripe is they didn't get much for him.

Agree.

I think Del Zotto or maybe Streit could be options for Edmonton. Everything I read and listen to seems to say they want defense to sure up for playoff run. I think both our guys could help. If I could get a big body forward like Maroon I would be happy. I like Maroon can play up and down lineup. He has underrated skill and also brings an edge. I might aim for a player like that. Not sure picks are always worth it.
- J35Bacher

I have doubts they would trade McDavid's winger for a middle pair defenseman

...again

Just curious how people would feel but if Tavares isn't going to resign in Brooklyn, would you trade Giroux in a deal for him? What would it take? Would they do it in same division?

He will be UFA in 18-19 so he will need a new deal soon and probably getting something close to 9 million.

Just curious what people would think.

Just curious how people would feel but if Tavares isn't going to resign in Brooklyn, would you trade Giroux in a deal for him? What would it take? Would they do it in same division?

He will be UFA in 18-19 so he will need a new deal soon and probably getting something close to 9 million.

Just curious what people would think.
- J35Bacher

EVERYONE

They were lucky enough to get Vorobyov from the deal.

Just curious how people would feel but if Tavares isn't going to resign in Brooklyn, would you trade Giroux in a deal for him? What would it take? Would they do it in same division?

He will be UFA in 18-19 so he will need a new deal soon and probably getting something close to 9 million.

Just curious what people would think.
- J35Bacher

Nah, I'd just sign him as a UFA and then swim in the ocean of tears streaming from Islanders fans.

That's nice but the game isn't always 5v5.
Where does he rank in overall save%?
Where does he rank in GAA?
Where does he rank in wins?


Calm the frank down, Masonites, I'm not attempting to bash him, just trying to get a more robust picture than one selected #fancy can provide.
- Scoob

These are more of a reflection of team play.

He's been 20th, 3rd, 19th in his 3 full seasons here.

Since joining the Flyers, Mason has a .919 save percentage.

Lundqvist has a career .920.
Carey Price has a career .920.
Quick has a career .916.
Schneider has a career .923.
Bishop has a career .919.
Golden Boy Bob has a career .919.

My own assessment of Mason is as follows:

He's been very good and probably the best goalie the team has had in a long time. He's not a top tier goalie, but he also doesn't get paid top tier money. Despite what people think, Mason has actually been very consistent for the Flyers throughout his career. He's never posted below a .917 save percentage (until this season) despite playing in front of some not so stellar PK units. If you want to nitpick, you can say he hasn't exactly been a pillar of health, but if you look at the other goalies listed above, all have had injury problems over the last few years.

Regarding this season, Mason's save percentage has dropped significantly. I think the main problem is that the Flyers are allowing fewer shots (down 1.5 shots from last year), but giving up more chances. Just look back to last night. Rangers weren't throwing a bunch of pucks at him, but they were able to generate 7 odd man rushes. That's one of the reasons his save percentage has dipped this year.

In the end, Mason had a bit of a rough game last night. He's played a lot lately. It's not like any of the goals were outright soft, but he needed to come up with 1 or 2 saves. It happens. Goalies have off nights too. Mason is really the least of their worries. The forward depth and reckless defensive play are much more worrisome.

The mistake was the carousel he used in the playoffs that led to Snider pushing him. If he'd just let Bob stay as the starter, no issues.
- jmatchett383

Lavy's mismanagement of the goalies irked me to no end

What kind of sorcery is this?
- johndewar

Noty exactly sure why, but this post make me literally laugh out loud.

If I'm the Flyers, prior to the expansion draft, I'm signing Ray Emery to the NHL minimum for next year with the understanding that we can either mutually terminate after the expansion draft or that he will be sent to the Reading Royals. There's your exposed goalie. Protect Stolarz, handshake deal with Mason (if you plan on resigning him) or go with Stolarz/backup.
- jmatchett383

my exact plan

I think Schenn is the guy I would move. Even if Couturier is nothing more than a 3rd line center, he still can provide something that this team needs as a solid defensive center, pk guy
- J35Bacher

he isn't anything more and his defensive prowess is overrated imo.

only a matter of time before the coach put shim back on the 2nd line as the center. How he gets pp time is mind boggling.

I'm looking at trying to trade MDZ for a piece to make this team better for the future. As we know D are always a part teams that are playoff bound are looking for. If we can get MDZ, Schultz or maybe Streit off the books sooner than the end of the year for something that might help in the future I'm all for it. Remember we got 8 D on the roster when all are healthy that's not normally a good thing.
- dragonoffrost

With Morin seemingly knocking on the NHL door, i would trade both Streit and MDZ even as a playoff bubble team and ride with Schultz or call up Brennan even. With Ghost locked as PP1 QB and Provy taking PP2, Streit is expendable despite his veteran presence and locker room voice. WIth MDZ, I loved how he's played for us over past couple of seasons, but he's injury prone it seems and may ask for a contract that doesn't fit our plan/comfort level. I would move him sooner than later mainly because I fear him getting injured again for a decent stretch of games and him losing value and simultaneously contributing nothing for us while injured. I know you can't predict injuries but he's a nice piece that I think can help our future with a pick or 2 (and cap relief) with Myers, Morin, Sanhiem, and even Hagg streaminling the lineup 1-3 years

on a positive note, Provorov is just a joy to watch and to think he is only 19 and will get better is something to be very excited about. the one thing I really love about being at the games is the opportunity to watch him whenever he is on the ice (with and without the puck). he is just so poised and smart. He very rarely just throws the puck out off the glass/boards or dumps it out. He almost always looks to make a play to keep puck control.

Ok back to negative thursday.......everything is terrible!

These are more of a reflection of team play.

He's been 20th, 3rd, 19th in his 3 full seasons here.

Since joining the Flyers, Mason has a .919 save percentage.

Lundqvist has a career .920.
Carey Price has a career .920.
Quick has a career .916.
Schneider has a career .923.
Bishop has a career .919.
Golden Boy Bob has a career .919.

My own assessment of Mason is as follows:

He's been very good and probably the best goalie the team has had in a long time. He's not a top tier goalie, but he also doesn't get paid top tier money. Despite what people think, Mason has actually been very consistent for the Flyers throughout his career. He's never posted below a .917 save percentage (until this season) despite playing in front of some not so stellar PK units. If you want to nitpick, you can say he hasn't exactly been a pillar of health, but if you look at the other goalies listed above, all have had injury problems over the last few years.

Regarding this season, Mason's save percentage has dropped significantly. I think the main problem is that the Flyers are allowing fewer shots (down 1.5 shots from last year), but giving up more chances. Just look back to last night. Rangers weren't throwing a bunch of pucks at him, but they were able to generate 7 odd man rushes. That's one of the reasons his save percentage has dipped this year.

In the end, Mason had a bit of a rough game last night. He's played a lot lately. It's not like any of the goals were outright soft, but he needed to come up with 1 or 2 saves. It happens. Goalies have off nights too. Mason is really the least of their worries. The forward depth and reckless defensive play are much more worrisome.
- PhillySportsGuy

+1

Regarding this season, Mason's save percentage has dropped significantly. I think the main problem is that the Flyers are allowing fewer shots (down 1.5 shots from last year), but giving up more chances. Just look back to last night. Rangers weren't throwing a bunch of pucks at him, but they were able to generate 7 odd man rushes. That's one of the reasons his save percentage has dipped this year.

In the end, Mason had a bit of a rough game last night. He's played a lot lately. It's not like any of the goals were outright soft, but he needed to come up with 1 or 2 saves. It happens. Goalies have off nights too. Mason is really the least of their worries. The forward depth and reckless defensive play are much more worrisome.
- PhillySportsGuy

It's kind of what I was saying to my friend at the game last night. Mason wasn't facing the number of shots we were taking but the ones he was facing were definitely tougher.

I also remarked that both of Jake's goals were off of a Rangers player. How odd was it that the ones that normally were going in against us actually went in for us during that game. And those were the only two goals that got by Hank.

With Morin seemingly knocking on the NHL door, i would trade both Streit and MDZ even as a playoff bubble team and ride with Schultz or call up Brennan even. With Ghost locked as PP1 QB and Provy taking PP2, Streit is expendable despite his veteran presence and locker room voice. WIth MDZ, I loved how he's played for us over past couple of seasons, but he's injury prone it seems and may ask for a contract that doesn't fit our plan/comfort level. I would move him sooner than later mainly because I fear him getting injured again for a decent stretch of games and him losing value and simultaneously contributing nothing for us while injured. I know you can't predict injuries but he's a nice piece that I think help our future more so with Myers, Morin, Sanhiem, and even Hagg streaminling the lineup 1-3 years
- arichardson22

I'm on the bubble with MDZ. guess it just depends on what it would take to re-sign him in terms of cap hit and term.

on a positive note, Provorov is just a joy to watch and to think he is only 19 and will get better is something to be very excited about. the one thing I really love about being at the games is the opportunity to watch him whenever he is on the ice (with and without the puck). he is just so poised and smart. He very rarely just throws the puck out off the glass/boards or dumps it out. He almost always looks to make a play to keep puck control.

Ok back to negative thursday.......everything is terrible!
- nastyflyergirl

I don't know how many times this year I've turned to a friend and said... 19 years old huh? There are 30 year olds that don't make that play.

That was true for Alt but, if Bill's correct, it won't be the case for Streit.

"The Flyers will have a salary cap problem, as well as a roster numbers issue, when defenseman Mark Streit (shoulder) is activated from long-term injured reserve, which Hextall said is a matter of days, not weeks. Streit will accompany the Flyers to their road game in Columbus on Sunday, although he may not yet be activated."
- jmatchett383

I think the Flyers have to make a move to gain about 500K to bring Streit back off of LTIR.

It's kind of what I was saying to my friend at the game last night. Mason wasn't facing the number of shots we were taking but the ones he was facing were definitely tougher.

I also remarked that both of Jake's goals were off of a Rangers player. How odd was it that the ones that normally were going in against us actually went in for us during that game. And those were the only two goals that got by Hank.
- dragonoffrost

I haven't looked at the overall scoring chance data, but I've seen the graphs and the Flyers are getting crushed in scoring chances and high danger chances, but they're doing fine in Corsi. I think the "problem" with mason is simply that he's facing a high percentage of tough chances than last year.

Opposing teams must be generating odd man rushes at a 2:1 rate against the Flyers.

I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday after where Provorov projects to and trying to find a realistic comparable. I don't think it's fair to compare him to a Lidstrom/Bourque/Niedermayer/Leetch type at this point, as they're 4 of the best of all-time. He doesn't have the nasty edge of a guy like Pronger/Iafrate/MacInnis/Stevens, but he's also a much more agile skater than those guys.

Maybe the best ones would be both Gary and/or Ryan Suter. Guys who are fantastic two-way players, play(ed) all situations, and weren't afraid of physical contact yet were could use their sense/positioning so they didn't have to. Thoughts?

Edit: I think Feanor brought up a more durable Ryan Suter yesterday

he isn't anything more and his defensive prowess is overrated imo.

only a matter of time before the coach put shim back on the 2nd line as the center. How he gets pp time is mind boggling.
- rinaldo

How many goals did the 2nd unit score without him this season? Or last season?

With Morin seemingly knocking on the NHL door, i would trade both Streit and MDZ even as a playoff bubble team and ride with Schultz or call up Brennan even. With Ghost locked as PP1 QB and Provy taking PP2, Streit is expendable despite his veteran presence and locker room voice. WIth MDZ, I loved how he's played for us over past couple of seasons, but he's injury prone it seems and may ask for a contract that doesn't fit our plan/comfort level. I would move him sooner than later mainly because I fear him getting injured again for a decent stretch of games and him losing value and simultaneously contributing nothing for us while injured. I know you can't predict injuries but he's a nice piece that I think can help our future with a pick or 2 (and cap relief) with Myers, Morin, Sanhiem, and even Hagg streaminling the lineup 1-3 years
- arichardson22

In terms of trading Del Zotto sooner rather than later, the market will open up at the deadline, where more teams will be looking to make moves, and have more ability to make moves. That could help drive up the value for a player. The trade market is dry right now.

I think the Flyers have to make a move to gain about 500K to bring Streit back off of LTIR.
- MJL

Any player they take off the roster to make room for him has an AAV of at least $712,500.

They just have to pick a player to waive. Or demote in the case of Ghost and Lyubimov.

I think Schenn is the guy I would move. Even if Couturier is nothing more than a 3rd line center, he still can provide something that this team needs as a solid defensive center, pk guy
- J35Bacher

The need to trade anyone in the top six is laughable to me. No I wouldn't trade Schenn. No I wouldn't trade Couturier. In fact I would look to add if anything.