Maybe the fact you are using crayons and not a pen or pencil probably means you are out of your depth.
- manvanfan

Or maybe your trying to make a point with weak sources that nobody has heard of. My point(which is beyond valid) is that EVERY draft has a game changing player that elevates a team. Just not every draft has a clear-cut player come draft day.

The only thing "weak" about this draft compared to the last couple of years is the lack of potential franchise players like Eichel, Mathews and Laine.

The sooner people accept that we are not going to get the opportunity to draft a single player that will single-handedly change this team's outlook the sooner the hand-wringing can stop.

The Canucks like most teams will have to draft a number of times in quality position and likely get lucky for them to significantly improve their roster.

We need to be looking at SJ, NSH, NYR, OTT, CAR, TBL, MIN, PHI, CLB, MTL as examples of teams not bottoming out for one or two game changers but slowly accumulating a number of solid prospects.
- belcherbd

TBL got Stamkos at 1 and Hedman at 3
Other then that I agree. Lack of real high end talent that usually in a good draft could go as far as 20th. Even in 2015 when Provorov and Werenski were taken at 7 and 8.

The last 2 nhl drafts have been solid. When you can draft a player that is at or over a PPG player in the 30th spot speaks for depth.

The only thing "weak" about this draft compared to the last couple of years is the lack of potential franchise players like Eichel, Mathews and Laine.

The sooner people accept that we are not going to get the opportunity to draft a single player that will single-handedly change this team's outlook the sooner the hand-wringing can stop.

The Canucks like most teams will have to draft a number of times in quality position and likely get lucky for them to significantly improve their roster.

We need to be looking at SJ, NSH, NYR, OTT, CAR, TBL, MIN, PHI, CLB, MTL as examples of teams not bottoming out for one or two game changers but slowly accumulating a number of solid prospects.
- belcherbd

Agreed, we will get a great prospect...perhaps 2 but probably not a franchise player.

If we got Hischier/Patrick then Our future core is pretty well set. From there we would just hope to draft better players. I have read reports comparing Patrick to Getzlaf. 70-90 pts a season and solid Playoff performances. Teams can win cups without superstars like Crosby. LA has 2 of them, I would hardly call Kopitar a superstar ala Crosby or even Kane either. Just an extremely solid player with an elite skill set the performs very well on both ends of the ice. How many cups do Ovenchicken, or Tavares have?
- Retinalz

I don't think our core will be set at all with Hischier/Patrick but it will certainly be a helpful addition. I'm not that if they end up with Vivaldi/Middlestadt that we will be any further back either.

Every year there are reports comparing Prospect A to Player A but how often do they come to fruition? Getzlaf wasn't predicted to be as good as he has been just like Yakapov was predicted to be much better than he has been.

I don't see the correlation between winning the cup and how good a player is. I know people want it to be as simple as Toews has won 3 cups so he is better than Tavares but that's not how team sports work.

Good teams who play really well and usually get lucky at the right time win cups.
Ovechkin should go down as the best goal-scorer ever regardless if he wins a cup.

Or maybe your trying to make a point with weak sources that nobody has heard of. My point(which is beyond valid) is that EVERY draft has a game changing player that elevates a team. Just not every draft has a clear-cut player come draft day.
- Retinalz

Can I call you a weak source because i've never heard of you? The entire conversation is that the draft is weak not that there is 1 or 2 game changers. Talking about players out of the top 5 draft, second, third rounders. Players that at 20 can project still to be a top 6 forward or top 4 D.

[quote=manvanfan]Maybe the fact you are using crayons and not a pen or pencil probably means you are out of your depth. quote


I knew Neem55 was your alt account. Start date always seemed suspicious

I don't think our core will be set at all with Hischier/Patrick but it will certainly be a helpful addition. I'm not that if they end up with Vivaldi/Middlestadt that we will be any further back either.

Every year there are reports comparing Prospect A to Player A but how often do they come to fruition? Getzlaf wasn't predicted to be as good as he has been just like Yakapov was predicted to be much better than he has been.

I don't see the correlation between winning the cup and how good a player is. I know people want it to be as simple as Toews has won 3 cups so he is better than Tavares but that's not how team sports work.

Good teams who play really well and usually get lucky at the right time win cups.
Ovechkin should go down as the best goal-scorer ever regardless if he wins a cup.
- belcherbd

Your right, but people have this hard-on for superstars are the only way to compete. I was pointing out that LA won without a superstar forward. same with Boston. As long as you have a solid group of players that have good chemistry, you can win it all.

TBL got Stamkos at 1 and Hedman at 3
Other then that I agree. Lack of real high end talent that usually in a good draft could go as far as 20th. Even in 2015 when Provorov and Werenski were taken at 7 and 8.

The last 2 nhl drafts have been solid. When you can draft a player that is at or over a PPG player in the 30th spot speaks for depth.
- manvanfan

Stamkos and Hedman obviously have helped a lot but also, Johnson, Kucherov, Palat, Kilhorn etc. highlight their ability to add a bunch of players who aren't necessarily franchise players.

Can I call you a weak source because i've never heard of you? The entire conversation is that the draft is weak not that there is 1 or 2 game changers. Talking about players out of the top 5 draft, second, third rounders. Players that at 20 can project still to be a top 6 forward or top 4 D.
- manvanfan

You call this draft weak and provide unknown sources. We have called it deep, but no clear cut eichel/matthews type and provided good sources in the past. learn when your wrong, or get better sources. Just because there is no Matthews, Eichel, laine etc in a draft does not make it weak. and using sources that post new articles with old information is not a source.

Your right, but people have this hard-on for superstars are the only way to compete. I was pointing out that LA won without a superstar forward. same with Boston. As long as you have a solid group of players that have good chemistry, you can win it all.
- Retinalz

Yep both those teams are examples of a lack of "superstars" although LA arguably did with Kopitar/Doughty/Quick in addition to Carter/Richards in their primes.

(frank)ing Tim Thomas and his record setting performance.

Agreed, we will get a great prospect...perhaps 2 but probably not a franchise player.
- CanuckDon

We certainly have the opportunity, I'm sure we will debate whether we actually did or not over the next few years.

We certainly have the opportunity, I'm sure we will debate whether we actually did or not over the next few years.
- belcherbd

Manvanfan doesn't believe that we will get a good prospect but I have a feeling Neem55 is more positive

Yep both those teams are examples of a lack of "superstars" although LA arguably did with Kopitar/Doughty/Quick in addition to Carter/Richards in their primes.

(frank)ing Tim Thomas and his record setting performance.
- belcherbd

I don't consider Kopitar a superstar forward. He is like Toews, not flashy and will never win Art Ross or Maurice Richard. But he most definitely an elite player. I look at guys like Crosby, Ovi, Kane, McDavid as your Superstar types.

I don't consider Kopitar a superstar forward. He is like Toews, not flashy and will never win Art Ross or Maurice Richard. But he most definitely an elite player. I look at guys like Crosby, Ovi, Kane, McDavid as your Superstar types.
- Retinalz

I personally agree with you but like I said I can understand the debate. Would Kopitar be more dynamic playing in a different system? Hard to tell.

As good as Carter is for LA and Richards was, they were both certainly more dynamic players in the Philly system, and we know it wasn't just the coke

Manvanfan doesn't believe that we will get a good prospect but I have a feeling Neem55 is more positive
- CanuckDon

It's already been established their are only 4-5 actual posters on this board masquerading as 30.

It's already been established their are only 4-5 actual posters on this board masquerading as 30.
- belcherbd

It's shocking really. Lefty alone has 5 or 6 alts

You must be a real treat to hang out with. Is your local pub a cellar in your basement?

Edit. Nolan Bustrick
- CanuckDon

Who needs a Pub when one can simply drink alone in a dark, damp room and chat with the likes of y'all?

It's shocking really. Lefty alone has 5 or 6 alts
- CanuckDon

Flagged for quoting yourself

I don't like to surf on my phone but this boat ride is boring, what's up?

It's shocking really. Lefty alone has 5 or 6 alts
- CanuckDon

Get real, I only have three

Flagged for quoting yourself
- Retinalz

Flagged for quoting yourself
- Retinalz

Belcher

Get real, I only have three
- LeftCoaster

I need a second one in anticipation of my next ban which is probably happening soon

I don't consider Kopitar a superstar forward. He is like Toews, not flashy and will never win Art Ross or Maurice Richard. But he most definitely an elite player. I look at guys like Crosby, Ovi, Kane, McDavid as your Superstar types.
- Retinalz

Well kopitar and toews are superstars to most people. Is yzerman a superstar to you? Seems like a slippery slope trying to say who's a superstar and who's elite. Doughty is also a superstar IMO. I think my standard for that title is whether or not the person is a first ballot HOFer.

Well kopitar and toews are superstars to most people. Is yzerman a superstar to you? Seems like a slippery slope trying to say who's a superstar and who's elite. Doughty is also a superstar IMO. I think my standard for that title is whether or not the person is a first ballot HOFer.
- neem55

Superstar is a word tossed around too easily.
Media is prone to sensationalism.
The public merely parrots the hype and led by the nose.

Superstars r Crosby Kane McDavid Ovi Price after that just stars.
Superstars do it on the ice & fill the seats.