That might be likely. But isn't that why JB made his trade and UFA deals and trying to add players like Rodin and Stecher to fill these holes? We don't know if it will work but they are trying to do that as drafting is a slow process like you point out.

But based on above let's identify what the holes are..? 1LC & 1LLW... D1.... what else?
- Nuck4U

It's difficult to assess where are future holes are as we don't know where our current prospects will slot?

Many are convinced Juolevi will be a 1D and Boeser a top line player. Then again, many thought Virt would be a top line winger and Bo a top line C.

By the time we fill these holes, where will players like Sutter, Tanev, Edler, Guddy, Sven, JV, Hutton, and our goalies be?

It's a process. Last time we rebuilt we acquired a couple of players (Bert, Naslund) through incredible trades. I don't know many posters that have the confidence this will happen again with this regime.

It's difficult to assess where are future holes are as we don't know where our current prospects will slot?

Many are convinced Juolevi will be a 1D and Boeser a top line player. Then again, many thought Virt would be a top line winger and Bo a top line C.

By the time we fill these holes, where will players like Sutter, Tanev, Edler, Guddy, Sven, JV, Hutton, and our goalies be?

It's a process. Last time we rebuilt we acquired a couple of players (Bert, Naslund) through incredible trades. I don't know many posters that have the confidence this will happen again with this regime.
- golfingsince

Way to stay up ... Codes left the board ... darn...

True.... but Bo and JV still could be top line they are so young and developing... it's hard to know unless you have the instant superstar Mcdavid ... Mathews ... Crosby Ov type to know how they will slot in. Most players take time to determine. Some surprise and others disappoint. But what I see hear with JB and what's in the system is more players with the ability to play in the NHL which is a new trend.

As for the bold batch, minus Edler, if we can fill the holes in the next 3 years then they will all.be in prime time vet roles... if it takes longer then more trades seem likely.

As for goalies with Demko and Marlstrom have no worries there ... seems, covered with some back ups easy to fill the in betweens too.

Way to stay up ... Codes left the board ... darn...

True.... but Bo and JV still could be top line they are so young and developing... it's hard to know unless you have the instant superstar Mcdavid ... Mathews ... Crosby Ov type to know how they will slot in. Most players take time to determine. Some surprise and others disappoint. But what I see hear with JB and what's in the system is more players with the ability to play in the NHL which is a new trend.

As for the bold batch, minus Edler, if we can fill the holes in the next 3 years then they will all.be in prime time vet roles... if it takes longer then more trades seem likely.

As for goalies with Demko and Marlstrom have no worries there ... seems, covered with some back ups easy to fill the in bewtweens too
- Nuck4U

So you basically concede they won't be an elite top line if they ever become one?

Also, what exactly is the prime of those players?

Nice to know we have no problems in net....

It's difficult to assess where are future holes are as we don't know where our current prospects will slot?

Yes no one expected Hutton & Tanev to be playing top 4. Tree may have that in him as well. Add Stecher and you got 4 guys that are 2-4 types. Missing is the 1D which may not be the dominant Weber or Karlson type but hey an all around smoothly like OJ can fit the bill in a couple years when Edler is gone or traded.

Forward wise we have less to work with but there are Hanson and Burrs in the making that can fill the top six. So it comes down to the top line after Sedins go...

Many are convinced Juolevi will be a 1D and Boeser a top line player. Then again, many thought Virt would be a top line winger and Bo a top line C.

OJ will take that spot barring another trade or UFA as we don't have any other options but a lot of support players under Edler. Who by the way was never a clear 1D on any of the 2009-2012 Cup contending teams.

A top pair of OJ & Tanev plus Hutton & Guddy and Tree + Stecher is not bad with longevity and close in quality results/production.

As for BB... he's got the tools. Plus only sniper we have in organization. So it's not like we have a choice barring trade or UFA. But like any player you got to figure out the offense at the NHL level. He's at least not playing junior so may be an easier step with no AHL time needed.

It's difficult to assess where are future holes are as we don't know where our current prospects will slot?

Yes no one expected Hutton & Tanev to be playing top 4. Tree may have that in him as well. Add Stecher and you got 4 guys that are 2-4 types. Missing is the 1D which may not be the dominant Weber or Karlson type but hey an all around smoothly like OJ can fit the bill in a couple years when Edler is gone or traded.

Forward wise we have less to work with but there are Hanson and Burrs in the making that can fill the top six. So it comes down to the top line after Sedins go...

Many are convinced Juolevi will be a 1D and Boeser a top line player. Then again, many thought Virt would be a top line winger and Bo a top line C.

OJ will take that spot barring another trade or UFA as we don't have any other options but a lot of support players under Edler. Who by the way was never a clear 1D on any of the 2009-2012 Cup contending teams.

A top pair of OJ & Tanev plus Hutton & Guddy and Tree + Stecher is not bad with longevity and close in quality results/production.

As for BB... he's got the tools. Plus only sniper we have in organization. So it's not like we have a choice barring trade or UFA. But like any player you got to figure out the offense at the NHL level. He's at least not playing junior so may be an easier step with no AHL time needed.
- Nuck4U

So what are your expectations for this team moving forward? this year? next year? When will we be competing for the cup?

So you basically concede they won't be an elite top line if they ever become one?

Also, what exactly is the prime of those players?

Nice to know we have no problems in net....
- golfingsince

Concede ... are we debating lol or discussing lol. .. hmm you mean Bo and JV... not in the Crosby/ Mcdavid/ OV sense no but a line is 3 players so their combo of talent and chemistry can make them elite. So maybe 2 years from now Bo, JV & BB are able to do that. I don't rule it out but not counting on it either. Many didn't ever think the Sedins would pull off the elite status after we lost Naslund & Bert and yet they achieved more then the West Coast Express did for the Club.

Depending on your skill set and this changing bar of younger, stronger, faster
Taking away injury slow downs or dedication to training.... Prime years can go up to 30-32 on average.

Why are you worried about the goaltending...? No guarantees but it seems deep or solid enough... Not saying if we have a CArey Price or Holtby type among them but they didn't have any sure fire rise either.

Concede ... are we debating lol or discussing lol. .. hmm you mean Bo and JV... not in the Crosby/ Mcdavid/ OV sense no but a line is 3 players so their combo of talent and chemistry can make them elite. So maybe 2 years from now Bo, JV & BB are able to do that. I don't rule it out but not counting on it either. Many didn't ever think the Sedins would pull off the elite status after we lost Naslund & Bert and yet they achieved more then the West Coast Express did for the Club.

Depending on your skill set and this changing bar of younger, stronger, faster
Taking away injury slow downs or dedication to training.... Prime years can go up to 30-32 on average.

Why are you worried about the goaltending...? No guarantees but it seems deep or solid enough... Not saying if we have a CArey Price or Holtby type among them but they didn't have any sure fire rise either.
- Nuck4U

Sedins were drafted 2nd/3rd overall. Even then, they had a limited time during their careers when they were top players in the game.

I'm sure everyone appreciate's your optimism but a dose of reality now and then might help too.

Yes, if every draft pick pans out to their ceiling the rebuild will be quicker. In the meantime, we have many holes to fill.

So what are your expectations for this team moving forward? this year? next year? When will we be competing for the cup?
- golfingsince

Pain and gain. No meteoric rise or stand out super star to carry the team but elite status possible to reach in increments like the Sedins' rise.

This year and next it's a hard fight to compete for playoffs while hoping that the younger players benefit from experience and develop skills to win.

Cup... need to see a lot more... we are in a rebuild and have holes to fill and players to upgrade.

Sedins were drafted 2nd/3rd overall. Even then, they had a limited time during their careers when they were top players in the game.

I'm sure everyone appreciate's your optimism but a dose of reality now and then might help too.

Yes, if every draft pick pans out to their ceiling the rebuild will be quicker. In the meantime, we have many holes to fill.
- golfingsince

That was a poor draft year where the 1OA became a bust so the expectation back then for the Sedins were not high. So yes they had a limited time because they willed and pushed their way into that category at the height of their development.

lol I didn't know fence sitting was optimistic but maybe when you are in the dire category anything more is viewed as unrealistic lol.

Every draft pick won't have room for them but if we add 4 more plAyers out of past drafts and 2 more of the next couple then with what we have we got the makings of relevancy.

Pain and gain. No meteoric rise or stand out super star to carry the team but elite status possible to reach in increments like the Sedins' rise.

This year and next it's a hard fight to compete for playoffs while hoping that the younger players benefit from experience and develop skills to win.

Cup... need to see a lot more... we are in a rebuild and have holes to fill and players to upgrade.
- Nuck4U

All this says to me is I remain optimistic that anything is possible but won't predict a thing because deep down I know this team is lacking severely.

All this says to me is I remain optimistic that anything is possible but won't predict a thing because deep down I know this team is lacking severely.
- golfingsince

Fence sitting mostly .... can see signs and possibility but it hasn't come together enough to predict more. So in the mean time a competitive rebuild seems to be on the menu.

Fence sitting mostly .... can see signs and possibility but it hasn't come together enough to predict more. So in the mean time a competevie rebuild seems to be on the menu.
- Nuck4U

That's fine, but you don't need to play devil's advocate when people have the opinion that the team is far away from contending. Also, suggesting we're just a couple of bad bounces away from sustained success is laughable. You just don't see the bounces that do go our way because we lack talent......I repeat.....lack talent to capitalize.

Call it a competitive rebuild all you want, in my estimation a competitive rebuild is making the playoffs while you rebuild....not finishing bottom 5-10 in the league.

That was a poor draft year where the 1OA became a bust so the expectation back then for the Sedins were not high. So yes they had a limited time because they willed and pushed their way into that category at the height of their development.

lol I didn't know fence sitting was optimistic but maybe when you are in the dire category anything more is viewed as unrealistic lol.

Every draft pick won't have room for them but if we add 4 more plAyers out of past drafts and 2 more of the next couple then with what we have we got the makings of relevancy.
- Nuck4U

So does 2020 sound about right?

That's fine, but you don't need to play devil's advocate when people have the opinion that the team is far away from contending. Also, suggesting we're just a couple of bad bounces away from sustained success is laughable. You just don't see the bounces that do go our way because we lack talent......I repeat.....lack talent to capitalize.

Call it a competitive rebuild all you want, in my estimation a competitive rebuild is making the playoffs while you rebuild....not finishing bottom 5-10 in the league.
- golfingsince

Never suggested that for sustained success... that's a misnomer.... but on a game to game basis when your a goal away a bounce can help it's not expected though and why you can just as easily lose.

Not a doom or gloom or we are a contender preacher that's not what a moderate view has ... there is a middle ground to all this ...

The bar for playoffs is much tighter now ... more parity now so even the recognized elite teams will have a tough go at making the Play offs as there is no margin for error.

So does 2020 sound about right?
- golfingsince

I told you those are safer odds but 2018 seems fair as well.

This is start of seasons we are talking about not playoff year... right?

I told you those are safer odds but 2018 seems fair as well.

This is start of seasons we are talking about not playoff year... right?
- Nuck4U

regardless it's still a 2 year gap. For argument sake i'll say start of season.

Never suggested that for sustained success... that's a misnomer.... but on a game to game basis when your a goal away a bounce can help it's not expected though and why you can just as easily lose.

Not a doom or gloom or we are a contender preacher that's not what a moderate view has ... there is a middle ground to all this ...

The bar for playoffs is much tighter now ... more parity now so even the recognized elite teams will have a tough go at making the Play offs as there is no margin for error.
- Nuck4U

When you play tight defensive hockey ( or try to) and you aren't a very good team it will always give the illusion that you're a bounce or two away. That's the big reason many teams go that route, is to give the illusion that they are competitive.

I think it was redmile that suggested most Canuck fans would be much happier with a more offensive style if we were going to lose anyways.

When you play tight defensive hockey ( or try to) and you aren't a very good team it will always give the illusion that you're a bounce or two away. That's the big reason many teams go that route, is to give the illusion that they are competitive.

I think it was redmile that suggested most Canuck fans would be much happier with a more offensive style if we were going to lose anyways.
- golfingsince

I doubt it, we don't have the talent to play that way, it's one thing to have the talent to play that way and lose and be entertaining at it. It's a whole other thing to not have the talent, try to play that way, lose but look horrible doing it.

I doubt it, we don't have the talent to play that way, it's one thing to have the talent to play that way and lose and be entertaining at it. It's a whole other thing to not have the talent, try to play that way, lose but look horrible doing it.
- DariusKnight

I can't argue that.

You did help make my point though.

regardless it's still a 2 year gap. For argument sake i'll say start of season.
- golfingsince

So I'll stick to that for relevancy but not laying out Cup status... got to live in the present of what they are giving you... build from there.

The main problem is we don't have any sure fire special players to get excited about nor will the Canucks get them .... so it's how will this talent combine with that talent to produce that will be the incremental chemistry build as holes get filled

I doubt it, we don't have the talent to play that way, it's one thing to have the talent to play that way and lose and be entertaining at it. It's a whole other thing to not have the talent, try to play that way, lose but look horrible doing it.
- DariusKnight

We don't have the special exceptional super star players yes ... but talent to play a two way game so offense isn't a dirty word lol

So I'll stick to that for relevancy but not laying out Cup status... got to live in the present of what they are giving you... build from there.

The main problem is we don't have any sure fire special players to get excited about nor will the Canucks get them .... so it's how will this talent combine with that talent to produce that will be the incremental chemistry build as holes get filled
- Nuck4U

Until this changes, we will continue to be irrelevant.

Until this changes, we will continue to be irrelevant.
- golfingsince

That discounts the possibility that a team of good/great players playing in sync can beat a couple elite players surrounded by role players.

Otherwise saying that there is no hope without the super star probably leaves this team in perpetual servitude to failure

That discounts the possibility that a team of good/great players playing in sync can beat a couple elite players surrounded by role players.

Otherwise saying that there is no hope without the super star probably leaves this team in perpetual servitude to failure
- Nuck4U

A great player would be considered special, so if you take that out of the equation then yes that's how I feel.

Champions don't strive to be good, they strive to be great.

A great player would be considered special, so if you take that out of the equation then yes that's how I feel.

Champions don't strive to be good, they strive to be great.
- golfingsince

Sure .... just sayitng we could have that team without the bona fide superstar ... cause I don't see this team getting one ... it's a rarity no matter how high they draft and in the lotto system that is just a crap shoot. Would be nice but not likely so only choice open to build this team.... through positional need and chemistry with strong two way players with a few with specific skills ( shooter, playmaker etc.) of talent.

These types of players who aren't necessarily the best talent in the league but get results through team performance is all we got to build on now and going forward. If a superstar falls our way in the years to come it is a winfall.