About two-thirds of the way through the first period, I commented that the game seemed pretty even to that point. Then, the ice started to tilt.

I agree, the second was a bit of a disaster with almost no puck possession for the Canucks. That's why it seemed so amazing to me that they could have tied the game in the third if that Brandon Sutter shot had gone in.
- Carol Schram

Long change in second trapped a couple lines out there that were dominated by excellent forchecking Caps team ....

I think you may be over exaggerating what you perceive as an issue.

I was really angry when Vancouver decided to open a can of worms when they applied real world rules to the playing surface. When they charged McSorley and found him guilty of assault with a weapon they (frank)ed it up. It later bit them in the ass when one of our own players was ‘guilty’ of assaulting another player. Idiots.

If you look through NHL history you’ll be able to find heinous acts during game play. But considering the sheer amount of games played through the NHL’s history, the amount of serious injuries occurring from a single act is miniscule. That’s amazing considering the inherent danger of playing high level hockey.

Violent acts are a part of the game and if you want to be honest it’s glorified and honored amongst ‘hockey purists’.

I think it's very difficult to differentiate between the two if you want to keep playing professional hockey the way we have come to love it.
- bloatedmosquito

Dude, McSorley assaulted him with a weapon. If you want to make the argument it happens every time there's a spear or cross-check then at least you can realize he chased him down the rink and went at his head from the blindside.

Dude, McSorley assaulted him with a weapon. If you want to make the argument it happens every time there's a spear or cross-check then at least you can realize he chased him down the rink and went at his head from the blindside.
- golfingsince

Oh I agree it was violent as hell but was it the most violent act that has ever occurred in NHL history? I remember it being hotly debated if the criminal law system needed to intervene.

In the past it was handled by the NHL or personal injury lawsuits. I still think criminal law should stay off the playing surface. Can of worms.

Going back to your original post... How do you differentiate between a violent and predatory play and an appropriate hockey play?

Please don’t re-post a portion of the NHL rulebook. Thx.
- bloatedmosquito

if its a canuck its violent and predatory, Hansen swatting at the puck in the air hossa skates into it 5 games I believe, edler going behind the net no where to go runs into the goalie smith does a fake job 5 games, burrows barely even grazes emelins chin gets suspension I could go on and on here but the canucks cant get one suspension out of this league and every player in this league knows it.

Does the pie take Vantel lemmings or team 1040 lemmings. As I'm sure you know, the latter are more bitter.
- golfingsince

Vantel lemmings are greater than 1040 lemmings. The pastor is all that matters

Dude, McSorley assaulted him with a weapon. If you want to make the argument it happens every time there's a spear or cross-check then at least you can realize he chased him down the rink and went at his head from the blindside.
- golfingsince

I respect your opinion but please remember he is a good poster

Oh I agree it was violent as hell but was it the most violent act that has ever occurred in NHL history? I remember it being hotly debated if the criminal law system needed to intervene.

In the past it was handled by the NHL or personal injury lawsuits. I still think criminal law should stay off the playing surface. Can of worms.
- bloatedmosquito

Agree 100%. I also think that Bertuzzi got way more punishment than he deserved. Pretty sure you guys would have won the cup if that whole incident never happened as well.

Oh I agree it was violent as hell but was it the most violent act that has ever occurred in NHL history? I remember it being hotly debated if the criminal law system needed to intervene.

In the past it was handled by the NHL or personal injury lawsuits. I still think criminal law should stay off the playing surface. Can of worms.
- bloatedmosquito

In modern history, where the media spotlight is on the league on a nightly basis i'd say it was the most violent act.

Whereas I agree to an extent that criminal law should stay off the ice, a line does need to be drawn somewhere.

In modern history, where the media spotlight is on the league on a nightly basis i'd say it was the most violent act.

Whereas I agree to an extent that criminal law should stay off the ice, a line does need to be drawn somewhere.
- golfingsince

I don't see any difference between what McSorley did and what Bert did.

I think both players should pay through the nose and lose their privilege to play the game but they shouldn't end up in prison.

Scoring a problem for the Canucks, this is part of a post from the Province.

7. Bo Horvat returns to Canucks right back in a defensive role

Remember the second half of last year when Horvat led the team in scoring?

Seems the coach doesn’t.

When this year started, Horvat was right back to being deployed exclusively as a checking-line centre.

His percentage of offensive-zone starts have been among the lowest in the league. He still scored three goals in seven games.

Just imagine if they gave Horvat a real chance.

I don't see any difference between what McSorley did and what Bert did.

I think both players should pay through the nose and lose their privilege to play the game but they shouldn't end up in prison.
- bloatedmosquito

The burtuzzi incident occurred because the league didn't take action. It was brutal cheap shot that should have been delt with

I don't see any difference between what McSorley did and what Bert did.

I think both players should pay through the nose and lose their privilege to play the game but they shouldn't end up in prison.
- bloatedmosquito

I guess if you let someone punch you in the back of the head and then let somebody else swing a hockey stick and hit you in the head you might appreciate the difference.

Scoring a problem for the Canucks, this is part of a post from the Province.

7. Bo Horvat returns to Canucks right back in a defensive role

Remember the second half of last year when Horvat led the team in scoring?

Seems the coach doesn’t.

When this year started, Horvat was right back to being deployed exclusively as a checking-line centre.

His percentage of offensive-zone starts have been among the lowest in the league. He still scored three goals in seven games.

Just imagine if they gave Horvat a real chance.
- HaidaGwaii16

The canucks are giving him a real chance. They are dressing him. It's up to Horvat to create those 'chances'. It's not like they are asking Tarasenko to play a defensive role.

The rookies aren't the problem. Using history as an example, the canucks have done a real good job of developing what little talent they have had in the system. They continue to do that IMO.

I believe they are trying to develop Horvat's all around game. We'll see if they are successful.

Vantel lemmings are greater than 1040 lemmings. The pastor is all that matters
- CanuckDon

Is there a sign up fee to get in....

I guess if you let someone punch you in the back of the head and then let somebody else swing a hockey stick and hit you in the head you might appreciate the difference.
- golfingsince

no thanks.

I see it more as cause and effect. The stick and the closed fist caused the player to black-out and fall to the ice hitting their head. Same difference.

What were the long term effects? Brash went on to play 10 more years in the NHL making millions and the other guy is bagging groceries at Walmart.

if its a canuck its violent and predatory, Hansen swatting at the puck in the air hossa skates into it 5 games I believe, edler going behind the net no where to go runs into the goalie smith does a fake job 5 games, burrows barely even grazes emelins chin gets suspension I could go on and on here but the canucks cant get one suspension out of this league and every player in this league knows it.
- Bettmanhatesus

Scoring a problem for the Canucks, this is part of a post from the Province.

7. Bo Horvat returns to Canucks right back in a defensive role

Remember the second half of last year when Horvat led the team in scoring?

Seems the coach doesn’t.

When this year started, Horvat was right back to being deployed exclusively as a checking-line centre.

His percentage of offensive-zone starts have been among the lowest in the league. He still scored three goals in seven games.

Just imagine if they gave Horvat a real chance.
- HaidaGwaii16

He is at 4 in 8 now

He is at 4 in 8 now
- Retinalz

Obvoiusly a 40 goal pace isn't good enough.

Scoring a problem for the Canucks, this is part of a post from the Province.

7. Bo Horvat returns to Canucks right back in a defensive role

Remember the second half of last year when Horvat led the team in scoring?

Seems the coach doesn’t.

When this year started, Horvat was right back to being deployed exclusively as a checking-line centre.

His percentage of offensive-zone starts have been among the lowest in the league. He still scored three goals in seven games.

Just imagine if they gave Horvat a real chance.
- HaidaGwaii16

It has seemed to be the plan to play him in a more defensive stance (both WD & JB have stated that this season) and he's rotated linemates. They believe he can generate offense on his own. Maybe he can do more with a run of complimentary linemates in more offensive situations .... it's a point to consider

The burtuzzi incident occurred because the league didn't take action. It was brutal cheap shot that should have been delt with
- CanuckDon

The situation never should have happened. The league knew the Canucks would retaliate. They should have stopped it before the game even started. The league is as much at fault as Bert. Also the dog pile that happened probably caused it to be worse than it would have been.

Don't get me wrong, Bert never should have done what he did. A clean body check that Moore didn't see coming would have been preferable. But the league needs to take some responsibility for creating a situation where this could happen.

Obvoiusly a 40 goal pace isn't good enough.
- A_SteamingLombardi

41 goal pace

no thanks.

I see it more as cause and effect. The stick and the closed fist caused the player to black-out and fall to the ice hitting their head. Same difference.

What were the long term effects? Brash went on to play 10 more years in the NHL making millions and the other guy is bagging groceries at Walmart.
- bloatedmosquito

One of these things is not like another, Brashear was a 4th line regular at a time when goons were still tolerated/needed. Moore was a replacement level forward who even had he not been injured by Bertuzzi wasn't going to go on to have much of a career in the NHL.

The burtuzzi incident occurred because the league didn't take action. It was brutal cheap shot that should have been delt with
- CanuckDon

Yeah it was poorly handled by the NHL but when have they ever handled anything well when it comes to a far away market that has no impact to their tv ratings etc.

But Bertuzzi made a horrible error in judgement how he went after Moore.... it was a low point and broke the player and the team. It was a terrible wrong that is behind us but should not be forgotten in context of violence and retribution. Guddy v Kassian type of engagements are fine as examples of where fighting has a place in the game.

The situation never should have happened. The league knew the Canucks would retaliate. They should have stopped it before the game even started. The league is as much at fault as Bert. Also the dog pile that happened probably caused it to be worse than it would have been.

Don't get me wrong, Bert never should have done what he did. A clean body check that Moore didn't see coming would have been preferable. But the league needs to take some responsibility for creating a situation where this could happen.
- Retinalz

if naslund was a ranger it would have been dealt with, bert would have got 10 games and no media circus if he was a ranger. Messier should have been suspended after game 6 for breaking lindens nose with a cross check in the dying seconds.

Obvoiusly a 40 goal pace isn't good enough.
- A_SteamingLombardi

The poster may be saying based on how he's been used he could have more success if put into more offense types of situations or with complimentary linemantes for said purpose .... that said he's potted 4 goals which is great... maybe he could do more.... for a team desperate for offense ... point to consider