That was exactly my point. All we can do is speculate, no one can say that speculation either way is right or wrong.
- jmatchett383

No, that's not all we can do. We can not speculate, because it doesn't franking matter. Dude is on the roster, getting paid. It's a long since done deal.

I agree, the GM has final say, but I disagree that it's overstated on how much influence an assistant GM has. I think the assistant GM, scouts, and player personnel people have a big influence on the GM's decisions.
- MJL

of course the GM is going to listen to what all of his personnel people say but my point is at the end of the day he is going to do what he thinks is best regardless. I'm assuming the Flyers pro scouts gave the thumbs up to trading for Amac and I thought he played well under the contract he was on when he was traded here. we will never know if Hexy was for or against the extension and never will. if asked you know he would say he was for it no matter what. He would never throw the rest of the organization under the bus esp Homer

its a terrible contract and no one will convince me otherwise but just about every organization has at least one bad one. Hextall has done a good job of getting out bad deals and I am confident this one will work its way out. Of course in the meantime its hard to watch at times.

No, that's not all we can do. We can not speculate, because it doesn't franking matter. Dude is on the roster, getting paid. It's a long since done deal.
- Scoob

Clam down, Kramer.

The entire point of this site is speculation.

Furthermore, since no one in here has worked in an NHL front office, I don't think any of us can say for a fact how an NHL front office (much less on specific one) is run.
- jmatchett383

True, but those among us who have worked in other front/top office situations in their employment history can safely assume that there are many similarities in decision making processes despite the different subject matters.

Clam down, Kramer.


- jmatchett383

lol

I don't think so necessarily.

Depends on what you got back. What if it was Giroux for Gaudreau? Is it still a full rebuild?

I don't want to do it but everything depends on return.
- J35Bacher

Why would CGY do that?

True, but those among us who have worked in other front/top office situations in their employment history can safely assume that there are many similarities in decision making processes despite the different subject matters.
- Scoob

Absolutely. But, in a much lower capacity job, here is something that I experienced as a 16-year-old working at Bradless (remember them?):

A very bossy lady told me I had to sell her something for a different price because it was on a shelf location for a different, much cheaper product. When I told her that we can't do that, she replied, "Excuse me, I used to work at K-Mart, and I know you have people who go around making sure everything is in the right place." This was something we did not do at all, we just did our best. I got my supervisor because I wasn't having that conversation.

My point is , not every company/organization has the same practices. While you can assume many similarities (and I don't doubt that Homer took Hexy's opinion into account), you can't verify that they are all run the same unless you are a member of it.

Why would CGY do that?
- Mordecai

They want to one-up Montreal, Edmonton, and Ottawa???

I'm happy they've restored the top 6 but I'm not thrilled PEB is back on the 3rd line at the expense of Cousins. However, Lyubimov got a much deserved promotion.

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac · 10m10 minutes ago

#Flyers lines. Couldn’t rank them though:
10-28-17
11-14-93
24-78-13
21-25-12
76-27-22

Let me put it this way.

If we trade Giroux the only realistic option is a full scale rebuild. Which means all of the time and resources put into retooling the current roster was pretty much for nothing. It just doesn't make sense right now. Especially after signing G and Jake to those deals.
- Mordecai

I would never sit here and say any player is untouchable but you would have to blow my socks off with your offer if I was the GM. I mean, look at what they got for Carter and Richards in their prime. Landing what turned out to be Cousins and Coots (plus the one pick enabled them to trade for Grossmann) plus getting young players in Voracek, Simmonds and Schenn was excellent value.

I just want to know if this scenario is possible:

Holmgren: "So, I'm thinking of giving Andrew a 6-year, $30M extension after discussing things with his agent. I think he's earned it, what are you thoughts?"

Hextall: "I don't know Paul, I don't think I'd commit that much money to him for that long. However, I'm not totally against and, and I'll support you in whatever you do."

Holmgren: "I understand your reservations, and appreciate your input, but I feel that he can help us win now and in the future."
- jmatchett383

Hextal: "I'm on board with whatever you want to do but know I will be cursing you day and night when I am running this team and stuck with that contract"

Of all the comments made today, the above is definitely the dumbest.
- MJL

will you two just kiss already?

Hextal: "I'm on board with whatever you want to do but know I will be cursing you day and night when I am running this team and stuck with that contract"
- nastyflyergirl

Well...yes, it is possible.

will you two just kiss already?
- Streit2ThePoint

Pics or it didn't happen.

Why would CGY do that?
- Mordecai

It was an example.

The point was that it would depend on return if you traded Giroux. If you got Guadreau would it still be a rebuild.

That's all

Give it time. Landesberg hasn't posted yet
- PhillySportsGuy

It was an example.

The point was that it would depend on return if you traded Giroux. If you got Guadreau would it still be a rebuild.

That's all
- J35Bacher

You still wouldn't have a #1 center.

When the traded Richards and Carter, the gave Giroux ready to step in and got Simmonds and Voracek to replace Carter, who had moved (somewhat unsuccessfully) to wing. If you get Gaudreau, you vastly improve your wing spot, but now you don't have a #1C.

I'm happy they've restored the top 6 but I'm not thrilled PEB is back on the 3rd line at the expense of Cousins. However, Lyubimov got a much deserved promotion.

Dave Isaac ‏@davegisaac · 10m10 minutes ago

#Flyers lines. Couldn’t rank them though:
10-28-17
11-14-93
24-78-13
21-25-12
76-27-22
- Baxter27

Not sure how to take Cousins in with 2 guys on the injury list and not ready to play yet. I thought he played well last night. I would like that line tho when healthy.

I would never sit here and say any player is untouchable but you would have to blow my socks off with your offer if I was the GM. I mean, look at what they got for Carter and Richards in their prime. Landing what turned out to be Cousins and Coots (plus the one pick enabled them to trade for Grossmann) plus getting young players in Voracek, Simmonds and Schenn was excellent value.
- nastyflyergirl

Those trades certainly were a success but we had Giroux waiting in the wings at the time. He was ready for an elevated role. Not the case right now.

Ryan White has more goals than Giroux

It was an example.

The point was that it would depend on return if you traded Giroux. If you got Guadreau would it still be a rebuild.

That's all
- J35Bacher

It's an unrealistic example

I would aquire Gaudreau to play with Giroux if possible but obv that isn't going to happen either

Ryan White has more goals than Giroux
- Streit2ThePoint

So does Boyd Gordon..

Are you implying something, or just stating a fact?

It's an unrealistic example
- Mordecai

That's what you said when I propose trading Andrew MacDonald for Drew Doughty at 50% retained.

So does Boyd Gordon..

Are you implying something, or just stating a fact?
- jmatchett383

Just stating facts.

Absolutely. But, in a much lower capacity job, here is something that I experienced as a 16-year-old working at Bradless (remember them?):

A very bossy lady told me I had to sell her something for a different price because it was on a shelf location for a different, much cheaper product. When I told her that we can't do that, she replied, "Excuse me, I used to work at K-Mart, and I know you have people who go around making sure everything is in the right place." This was something we did not do at all, we just did our best. I got my supervisor because I wasn't having that conversation.

My point is , not every company/organization has the same practices. While you can assume many similarities (and I don't doubt that Homer took Hexy's opinion into account), you can't verify that they are all run the same unless you are a member of it.
- jmatchett383

Yes, I remember Bradlees