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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Oct 25 @ 9:50 AM ET
Especially Simmonds and Schenn...


I was going to say this too.

Simmonds seems to be trying to much. Schenn I give just a little leeway too as he is still getting into that game pace but not much.

The Couturier line is really only line that seems to be going right now in regards to creating pressure.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Oct 25 @ 9:51 AM ET
My parents tried to give me "the talk." Fortunately, my best friend who is 3 years older did it first when I was like 6-7.
- jmatchett383


Friends don't let friends get the talk from their parents.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 25 @ 9:52 AM ET
While I don't count Manning as needing to stay in the lineup to to his age/development curve, I think his play has spoken for itself.
- jmatchett383


Everyone seems to say he is what he is, and while his ceiling is obviously limited, he has still played less than 100 games in his career.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 25 @ 9:55 AM ET
The argument is that Mac was originally defending Radulov, who continued to skate to the other side of the slot, and ended up being the lone player in front of Mason. The shot was deflected as you said, but it was pretty freaking slow.. Im fairly confident that Mason's foot speed would have prevented that one...
- jak521



Schenn's deflection came from pretty far out so I would bet almost any goalie will say they should have had that IF they could see it. There was no way Mason could see that.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 25 @ 9:56 AM ET
Everyone seems to say he is what he is, and while his ceiling is obviously limited, he has still played less than 100 games in his career.
- YuenglingJagr


He's been the most consistent of them all this season, and really it hasn't been close

Maybe his bar isn't that high, but there is something to be said for doing the job well that you are on the roster to do. He has been the least of their problems this season, to this point
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Oct 25 @ 9:57 AM ET
Some observations I have noticed.....

-Cousins doesn't look as effective as a winger. Once Weise is back I think you need to got back to Read - Cousins - Weise.

- If the Giroux line doesn't get going then I think Raffl should go back to the top line. His game seems to work with Simmonds and Giroux

- Manning has earned a spot and should not be taken out of lineup right now even when Gudas and Del Zotto get back.

- People are definitely targeting Konecny.

-I feel Simmonds needs to try to do less and make things more simple. get to net, cause traffic, create havoc.



AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 25 @ 9:59 AM ET
Schenn's deflection came from pretty far out so I would bet almost any goalie will say they should have had that IF they could see it. There was no way Mason could see that.
- nastyflyergirl


I'm not into killing anyone on that play, because Schenn did get a stick on it and MacDonald was trying to help. It was just bad luck

I do think Mason might have stopped it, but at the same time, it's hard for me to fault MacDonald -- not that you are -- for trying to get there and do something. It just didn't work out
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 25 @ 10:00 AM ET
Although Nick Schultz skated the least ice time among Flyers' defensemen on Monday -- which is frequently a predictor of whom is the likeliest to sit, based on play relative to their roles, Mark Streit or Andrew MacDonald are also candidates to be scratched.


Streit got almost six minutes more at ES than Schultz, which seems to indicate the coach still has a lot of faith in him.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 25 @ 10:00 AM ET
Everyone seems to say he is what he is, and while his ceiling is obviously limited, he has still played less than 100 games in his career.
- YuenglingJagr


I think he can still develop and get better, but I still don't think he'll evolve past a bottom-pair defender at the NHL level. Not that it's a bad thing, I just think that he has a very limited ceiling at this point.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Oct 25 @ 10:00 AM ET
He's been the most consistent of them all this season, and really it hasn't been close

Maybe his bar isn't that high, but there is something to be said for doing the job well that you are on the roster to do. He has been the least of their problems this season, to this point

- AllInForFlyers



I thought of this last night.

Manning is almost like Therian was to Dejarsdins.

Provorov has a long way to go but they seem to mesh well and have a comfort level.

Right now the Streit - Schultz pairing scare me almost as bad as the Krijeck pairing from a few years back.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 25 @ 10:05 AM ET
I thought of this last night.

Manning is almost like Therian was to Dejarsdins.

Provorov has a long way to go but they seem to mesh well and have a comfort level.

Right now the Streit - Schultz pairing scare me almost as bad as the Krijeck pairing from a few years back.

- J35Bacher


Streit just looks bad, Again, it's still early on, but he just looks so bad right now. I know he's a veteran/leader guy out there, but he's just not contributing anything positive on either side of the puck right now. At least Schultz is giving you exactly what you expected.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Oct 25 @ 10:06 AM ET
I thought of this last night.

Manning is almost like Therian was to Dejarsdins.

Provorov has a long way to go but they seem to mesh well and have a comfort level.

- J35Bacher


Provy does have that feel when he has his A game. He gets the puck and the game slows down like when Rico grabbed the puck.

Manning is more than a freaking traffic cone out there though.
Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Oct 25 @ 10:07 AM ET
I think he can still develop and get better, but I still don't think he'll evolve past a bottom-pair defender at the NHL level. Not that it's a bad thing, I just think that he has a very limited ceiling at this point.
- jmatchett383


I'd say he might be the only flyers player who every season since he was what 18 ? Has actually gotten better. Every year he makes small incremental improvements. I've argued since prior to the season he deserves a lineup spot over our aging vets. I'm not saying he's a future number 1 but having someone who actively works on his game is a lot more enticing than people whose game continues to decline.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 25 @ 10:07 AM ET
touche

I guess I'm the weirdo.

I just saw it as, "Wha-what-what!?!? Giroux out with Konecny and Voracek!?!?" (you turn to your wife) "You are now carrying my child."

- jmatchett383

Honestly...

It was more like...



Go to the :33 mark to see my reaction to the stud line.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 25 @ 10:07 AM ET
I'm not into killing anyone on that play, because Schenn did get a stick on it and MacDonald was trying to help. It was just bad luck

I do think Mason might have stopped it, but at the same time, it's hard for me to fault MacDonald -- not that you are -- for trying to get there and do something. It just didn't work out

- AllInForFlyers


It wasnt an easy one for MacDonald to stop, but as Mason has said and pretty much any goalie would say, if you screen him you need to block the shot. I think his angle was a little off in the first place and if he is in the right position he both doesnt screen Mase and probably has the shot hit him
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 25 @ 10:07 AM ET
I thought of this last night.

Manning is almost like Therian was to Dejarsdins.

Provorov has a long way to go but they seem to mesh well and have a comfort level.

Right now the Streit - Schultz pairing scare me almost as bad as the Krijeck pairing from a few years back.

- J35Bacher


What scared me about Streit yesterday is that he was brutal on the PP, too

I understand that he is a 38-year-old defender playing in a league dominated by youth and speed, so I fully realize that he is not going to be what he once was

But at some point, yeah, you gotta bring something to the party, and he was brutal in every zone and on every unit last night. That doesn't mean he cannot play better, but yeah, last night was pretty bad
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Oct 25 @ 10:08 AM ET
Streit just looks bad, Again, it's still early on, but he just looks so bad right now. I know he's a veteran/leader guy out there, but he's just not contributing anything positive on either side of the puck right now. At least Schultz is giving you exactly what you expected.
- jmatchett383



I get scared when speed is on the ice because both guys are just flat out slow.



Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 25 @ 10:08 AM ET
ttt
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 25 @ 10:09 AM ET

- GudasNew


I don't care for wrestling but that right there is a well played gif.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 25 @ 10:09 AM ET
Streit just looks bad, Again, it's still early on, but he just looks so bad right now. I know he's a veteran/leader guy out there, but he's just not contributing anything positive on either side of the puck right now. At least Schultz is giving you exactly what you expected.
- jmatchett383

I forget who it was that blew right by him (not Byron) but he almost looked as bad as PEB when he got cooked.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Oct 25 @ 10:11 AM ET
I don't care for wrestling but that right there is a well played gif.
- Scoob


I don't either but they sure do make some excellent gifs
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 25 @ 10:11 AM ET
MacDonald provided an excellent screen and I agree Mason couldve saved that
- YuenglingJagr


I respectfully disagree. That was a cannon of a shot and it was deflected.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 25 @ 10:12 AM ET
I respectfully disagree. That was a cannon of a shot and it was deflected.
- Scoob


I think it is a discredit to Mason to say that, but since you said respectfully
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 25 @ 10:12 AM ET
I'm thinking the league average of faceoffs will be somewhere around 50%.
- jmatchett383


#fancy
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 25 @ 10:12 AM ET
I don't either but they sure do make some excellent gifs
- Streit2ThePoint

what do you know about gifs?
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