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BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 15 @ 11:00 AM ET
Of the D, he certainly has a good argument as having the worst night, but he was still out there at the end defending a 2 goal lead with the Kings basically having a 5 on 4 PP. And, really outside of a couple noticeable issues, I thought MacDonald was solid. He looked really good one the PKs, too.

Perhaps Manning slides ahead of somebody if he can sustain his play from last night. He was very active and effective. Provorov was excellent after having some first game jitters/hiccups in the opening period. Still it's nice to have the depth.

- Jsaquella


Yup, they all played well. And yes indeed, it is very nice to finally have some legit depth at D.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 15 @ 11:04 AM ET
I thought the consensus was mdz to in fact be a top pair guy.
- JoeRussomanno



I think you're confusing the point that Del Zotto is probably the top defenseman on the team currently, rather than Del Zotto being in fact a top pair guy. In the big picture, I see Del Zotto as a 2nd pair defenseman, who could play on a top pair in support of a true top #1 defenseman.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 15 @ 11:07 AM ET
I think you're confusing the point that Del Zotto is probably the top defenseman on the team currently, rather than Del Zotto being in fact a top pair guy. In the big picture, I see Del Zotto as a 2nd pair defenseman, who could play on a top pair in support of a true top #1 defenseman.
- MJL


My dream is that by 18-19, we see something like:

Provorov-MDZ
Morin-Ghost
Sanheim-Myers

Tfaehner
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.25.2012

Oct 15 @ 11:13 AM ET
My dream is that by 18-19, we see something like:

Provorov-MDZ
Morin-Ghost
Sanheim-Myers

- BiggE



It's so pretty until we have to pay them all.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 15 @ 11:14 AM ET
My dream is that by 18-19, we see something like:

Provorov-MDZ
Morin-Ghost
Sanheim-Myers

- BiggE


That would be great. Del Zotto would be a veteran. By that time, Provorov will have 2 seasons under his belt, and Gostisbehere would be in his 5th season. I fully expect Morin to be a full time Flyers next season. We'll see about Sanheim and Myers.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:19 AM ET
Kind of weird that 18-19 lineup has MDZ on the right and doesn't include the RHD who is actually under contract.

It's so pretty until we have to pay them all.
- Tfaehner


I think Ghost will get six years at $5.5m starting 17-18.

Morin will get a much cheaper bridge deal starting 18-19.

Provy and Sanheim are still too far away to even worry about.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Oct 15 @ 11:26 AM ET
What a 1st round 2015 could turn out to be. Nice to get some speed and skill on the wing in Konecny and Provorov could turn out to be Timonen. Does all the things that don't show up in the score sheet really well while he will add some offense .

Only slight negative was G being quiet, but Kopitar will do that to almost everyone he goes against.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 15 @ 11:27 AM ET
Kind of weird that 18-19 lineup has MDZ on the right and doesn't include the RHD who is actually under contract.



- Feanor


I don't think it was posted to illustrate exact pairings or who would play on what side, but more to show the 6 players who might make up the teams top 6 defensive core.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 15 @ 11:33 AM ET
What a 1st round 2015 could turn out to be. Nice to get some speed and skill on the wing in Konecny and Provorov could turn out to be Timonen. Does all the things that don't show up in the score sheet really well while he will add some offense .

Only slight negative was G being quiet, but Kopitar will do that to almost everyone he goes against.

- Pelle31Forever


I wouldn't spend too many cycles worrying about G. He'll be fine.

The 2nd line making teams pay for loading up on Giroux should be fun to watch.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 15 @ 11:34 AM ET
My dream is that by 18-19, we see something like:

Provorov-MDZ
Morin-Ghost
Sanheim-Myers

- BiggE


BEARD SAD

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:45 AM ET
What a 1st round 2015 could turn out to be. Nice to get some speed and skill on the wing in Konecny and Provorov could turn out to be Timonen. Does all the things that don't show up in the score sheet really well while he will add some offense .

Only slight negative was G being quiet, but Kopitar will do that to almost everyone he goes against.

- Pelle31Forever


It's a grand slam of a draft already. Konecny has a super high skill level. The No look passes are fantastic
Tomfan365
Joined: 03.11.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:50 AM ET
So assuming everyone at least meets expectations, are we happy with a top 6 of

Schenn - G - Simmonds
Konecny - Coots - Jake

for the next few years?

If so, Hextall might not ever have to make that big trade and we can just keep developing all of our prospects and fill in the rest of the team that way. Or do we want to improve the top 6 still? I worry slightly about G and Simmonds being a little older when the D prospects are entering their prime, and all the young salaries would open up a lot of cap space to be able to make a big move. But if that top 6 does what we expect, that should be a lot of goals over the next few years.

Either way, even though it's only one game, it's great to see that Hextall will have a lot of options moving forward.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 15 @ 12:02 PM ET
Kind of weird that 18-19 lineup has MDZ on the right and doesn't include the RHD who is actually under contract.



I think Ghost will get six years at $5.5m starting 17-18.

Morin will get a much cheaper bridge deal starting 18-19.

Provy and Sanheim are still too far away to even worry about.

- Feanor

I think Gudas will be traded by 18-19
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 15 @ 12:02 PM ET
I don't think it was posted to illustrate exact pairings or who would play on what side, but more to show the 6 players who might make up the teams top 6 defensive core.
- MJL

Correct
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 15 @ 12:05 PM ET
Cmon OB it's not too late to send konecny back
- Just5

NO he looked awesome last night
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 15 @ 12:08 PM ET
awesome win last night, nice to see knoecney doing so well..also did not realize how big the entire kings team is, looked like a bunch of bears out there
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 15 @ 12:10 PM ET
I hope he kills penalties for them cause he's awful at it.
- Feanor


Even better if he took a couple. PP2 looks like they are gonna move the puck around and get some really good looks

Man, there's a lot to be excited about with the team. Darryl Sutter looked shell-shocked for a couple of minutes last night
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 15 @ 12:12 PM ET
awesome win last night, nice to see knoecney doing so well..also did not realize how big the entire kings team is, looked like a bunch of bears out there
- mydoglicks


That's the only thing that nags at me about this team. Size isn't as big of a deal as it used to be, but it's hard to get used to seeing teams outmuscle them down low, on the wall

The league's changed, but I wouldn't mind a guy like Dwight King on the Flyers, that's for sure
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Oct 15 @ 12:38 PM ET
That's the only thing that nags at me about this team. Size isn't as big of a deal as it used to be, but it's hard to get used to seeing teams outmuscle them down low, on the wall

The league's changed, but I wouldn't mind a guy like Dwight King on the Flyers, that's for sure

- AllInForFlyers

Agreed, and I think over the next year or so, you'll see a guy like Matt Read replaced with a bigger, faster player.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Oct 15 @ 12:58 PM ET
Really telling that hakstol has chosen streit as Provorov defense partner. Streit really has been under valued as a flyer. It says a lot about him as a team player.

It would not surprise me to see him return next year on a 1 year deal with a significantly less cap hit. I just don't see all the kids coming up without a vet being a 3rd pairing guy. I don't see hexy paying MDZ more per year then streit s cap hit right now. Another reason I can see him resigned. Of course, streit has to show durability this year.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 15 @ 1:24 PM ET
He's the closest they have right now, but, on a top team, he's a 2nd pair guy.
- BiggE


And more of an ideal #4 at that on a Cup-caliber blueline.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 15 @ 1:28 PM ET
You old guys must be taken care of. Can't have you stroking out over these things.

Do you have enough Atenolol to last the rest of the season? If not we need to start a gofundme account to get you guys medicated.

- MikesPillBottle

What's BiggE's CHADS2VASC score
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Oct 15 @ 1:38 PM ET
What's BiggE's CHADS2VASC score
- Giroux_Is_God


Definitely >1
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Oct 15 @ 1:56 PM ET
Definitely >1
- Mordecai

I don't know. Might be >2...he's pretty old
Mordecai
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: not very poggers
Joined: 08.27.2015

Oct 15 @ 1:57 PM ET
I don't know. Might be >2...he's pretty old
- Giroux_Is_God


The liquor sustains him, makes him stronger
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