Why are people suggesting trading Nylander for Trouba?

Trouba may never become more than a 3rd pairing defender. If things go well, he may become a 2nd pairing guy.
There is a strong possibility he will never be first pairing material, yet people are already slotting him in with Rielly.
We also don't know for sure what $ he will want and he would obviously expect a roster spot of at least 2nd pairing before proving he deserves it.

Wasn't Nylander leading the AHL before his injury last year? The guy has serious skill and could become a great player for us, but lets trade him for Trouba before we even find out for sure what he can do in the NHL. That always works out so well for the Leafs.
- Thecakeisalie

He played 22 minutes per night last year and played them reasonably well........

Someone ask Tanner to make a blog about Trouba for Gardiner. With Tanner making the proposal, Winnipeg will likely have to offer up a couple arbitrary firsts to make it affective.
- Thecakeisalie

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He played 22 minutes per night last year and played them reasonably well........
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I'm not saying Trouba isn't a decent player. He is not first pairing though and may never be. The whole reason he apparenlty wants out of the 'Peg is because he can't pass two other guys on the depth chart on his chosen side. Yes, those guys have hefty contracts, but if he shows he's clearly better than Myers or Byfuglin, they'd give him their spot and either switch the other guy over or make a trade. If he was good enough, management would make things happen somehow.

People hear he's available and he's young, and they get overly excited.

I'm not saying Trouba isn't a decent player. He is not first pairing though and may never be. The whole reason he apparenlty wants out of the 'Peg is because he can't pass two other guys on the depth chart on his chosen side. Yes, those guys have hefty contracts, but if he shows he's clearly better than Myers or Byfuglin, they'd give him their spot and either switch the other guy over or make a trade. If he was good enough, management would make things happen somehow.

People hear he's available and he's young, and they get overly excited.
- Thecakeisalie

.....Or maybe he's playing his off side because those other guys aren't capable of doing it competently.

What a loser start time. 6 olcock

.....Or maybe he's playing his off side because those other guys aren't capable of doing it competently.
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And the management and coaching staff in Winnipeg are so incompetent that they've insisted on doing this to the point Trouba is requesting a trade?
Just how stupid do you take the Winnipeg staff to be?

Or are you suggesting this whole trade request came completely out of the blue? If Trouba is really that important to Winni and that skilled compared to the others, does all this actually make sense?

I'm not saying Trouba isn't a decent player. He is not first pairing though and may never be. The whole reason he apparenlty wants out of the 'Peg is because he can't pass two other guys on the depth chart on his chosen side. Yes, those guys have hefty contracts, but if he shows he's clearly better than Myers or Byfuglin, they'd give him their spot and either switch the other guy over or make a trade. If he was good enough, management would make things happen somehow.

People hear he's available and he's young, and they get overly excited.
- Thecakeisalie

You should have stopped after your first sentence and added "IMO".

You're making a lot of assumptions that don't really amount to anything. There is no taking spots from the other 3 d-men considering they all played pretty comparable minutes on average. Maybe the benefit of switching him is outweighed by the negative of moving another guy? Maybe this is purely contract problems? Maybe maybe maybe etc.

He is good, he is young and seems to have a potentially high ceiling. Nothing wrong about thinking he could be a target.

Boy morgan rielly and hampus lindholm have some similar career stats save for +/-

Generational is a (frank)ing ridiculous label to be putting on all but a very few players.

Orr Howe Gretzky, maybe Lemieux, maybe Crosby
- Aetherial

Maybe Lemiuex?? what?

Maybe Crosby?? what?

So in 11 generations/decades of Hockey you could only come up with 3 generational talents? Lemieux is one of the greatest ever, how can you not include him. Crosby is easily a generational talent, please remove the maybe. As for Eichel, before he was drafted the scouts were saying he has the potential to be a generational talent and no one should be writing him off at 19. So what if he had a bad WCoH, he proved he could play in the NHL as an 18 year old and he will be a great player. Lets not get too cocky now because we finally have a potential super star prospect and start bashing other teams prospects. This is why a lot of other teams fans hate Leaf fans.

And the management and coaching staff in Winnipeg are so incompetent that they've insisted on doing this to the point Trouba is requesting a trade?
Just how stupid do you take the Winnipeg staff to be?

Or are you suggesting this whole trade request came completely out of the blue? If Trouba is really that important to Winni and that skilled compared to the others, does all this actually make sense?
- Thecakeisalie

Are you somehow not familiar with Paul Maurice and his career?

The team has to ice what they feel is the best roster they can every night. Trouba plays reasonably well on his off side even if he doesn't like it that much. Maybe the other guys don't.

this is the FIRST thing that popped into my head.

WTF!
- Lucas Neilson

So now Trouba is better than Larsson, oh my..

You should have stopped after your first sentence and added "IMO".

You're making a lot of assumptions that don't really amount to anything. There is no taking spots from the other 3 d-men considering they all played pretty comparable minutes on average. Maybe the benefit of switching him is outweighed by the negative of moving another guy? Maybe this is purely contract problems? Maybe maybe maybe etc.

He is good, he is young and seems to have a potentially high ceiling. Nothing wrong about thinking he could be a target.
- markmark

Everyone on this site is making assumptions. You cannot function in life without making assumptions because we'll rarely ever have all the facts.

My first comment was simply that we DON'T KNOW if he will ever be a legitimate first pairing guy and suggesting trading away someone of the obvious skill of Nylander at this time is foolish. Most of the trade talk about Trouba ASSUMES Trouba is going to be a first pairing guy. He may never be.

Give Nylander at least this season (almost definitely in the NHL) to show what he can really do.

Everyone on this site is making assumptions. You cannot function in life without making assumptions because we'll rarely ever have all the facts.

My first comment was simply that we DON'T KNOW if he will ever be a legitimate first pairing guy and suggesting trading away someone of the obvious skill of Nylander at this time is foolish. Most of the trade talk about Trouba ASSUMES Trouba is going to be a first pairing guy. He may never be.

Give Nylander at least this season (almost definitely in the NHL) to show what he can really do.
- Thecakeisalie

I don't think anyone thinks you should trade Nylander for Trouba... unless everybody has softened on her for some reason?

Maybe Lemiuex?? what?

Maybe Crosby?? what?

So in 11 generations/decades of Hockey you could only come up with 3 generational talents? Lemieux is one of the greatest ever, how can you not include him. Crosby is easily a generational talent, please remove the maybe. As for Eichel, before he was drafted the scouts were saying he has the potential to be a generational talent and no one should be writing him off at 19. So what if he had a bad WCoH, he proved he could play in the NHL as an 18 year old and he will be a great player. Lets not get too cocky now because we finally have a potential super star prospect and start bashing other teams prospects. This is why a lot of other teams fans hate Leaf fans.
- coolehmon41

I think the reason he was saying maybe about lemieux is because he was in the same generation as Gretzky so he wasnt the best player from that generation. As for Eichel he is not a generational player. Go back and look at guys like Gretzky Lemieux crosby and even Ovechkins rookie years. If you break into the league and have a decent year for a top pick you dont get the generational tag. He's a good player probably will be elite but doesnt fall into that catagory. Mcdavid on the other hand an exceptional year.

Are you somehow not familiar with Paul Maurice and his career?

The team has to ice what they feel is the best roster they can every night. Trouba plays reasonably well on his off side even if he doesn't like it that much. Maybe the other guys don't.
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You could be right. Nevertheless, you are making a lot of guesses about a situation you don't know to defend this. Occam's razor my good man. Maybe he just isn't that good.

Why are people suggesting trading Nylander for Trouba?

Trouba may never become more than a 3rd pairing defender. If things go well, he may become a 2nd pairing guy.
There is a strong possibility he will never be first pairing material, yet people are already slotting him in with Rielly.
We also don't know for sure what $ he will want and he would obviously expect a roster spot of at least 2nd pairing before proving he deserves it.

Wasn't Nylander leading the AHL before his injury last year? The guy has serious skill and could become a great player for us, but lets trade him for Trouba before we even find out for sure what he can do in the NHL. That always works out so well for the Leafs.
- Thecakeisalie

Finally some sense.

Everyone on this site is making assumptions. You cannot function in life without making assumptions because we'll rarely ever have all the facts.

My first comment was simply that we DON'T KNOW if he will ever be a legitimate first pairing guy and suggesting trading away someone of the obvious skill of Nylander at this time is foolish. Most of the trade talk about Trouba ASSUMES Trouba is going to be a first pairing guy. He may never be.

Give Nylander at least this season (almost definitely in the NHL) to show what he can really do.
- Thecakeisalie

I don't trade Nylander. No way, no chance. When will our fan base ever learn. We complain about decades of mis management and trading away all of our young players and as soon as a player becomes available on the market we start throwing all of our blue chip prospects into the trades.

Maybe Lemiuex?? what?

Maybe Crosby?? what?

So in 11 generations/decades of Hockey you could only come up with 3 generational talents? Lemieux is one of the greatest ever, how can you not include him. Crosby is easily a generational talent, please remove the maybe. As for Eichel, before he was drafted the scouts were saying he has the potential to be a generational talent and no one should be writing him off at 19. So what if he had a bad WCoH, he proved he could play in the NHL as an 18 year old and he will be a great player. Lets not get too cocky now because we finally have a potential super star prospect and start bashing other teams prospects. This is why a lot of other teams fans hate Leaf fans.
- coolehmon41

The problem is how you define generational player. I agree Lemieux should be.

Eichel not so much. To be fair, I don't think Matthews is either. McDavid, probably.

I think the reason he was saying maybe about lemieux is because he was in the same generation as Gretzky so he wasnt the best player from that generation. As for Eichel he is not a generational player. Go back and look at guys like Gretzky Lemieux crosby and even Ovechkins rookie years. If you break into the league and have a decent year for a top pick you dont get the generational tag. He's a good player probably will be elite but doesnt fall into that catagory. Mcdavid on the other hand an exceptional year.
- HealthyScratch6

Fair

The problem is how you define generational player. I agree Lemieux should be.

Eichel not so much. To be fair, I don't think Matthews is either. McDavid, probably.
- Thecakeisalie

Yeah I agree.

Gardiner and Kapanen? Too much?

Gardiner + Lindberg?
- Aaron_85

Gardiner, Hunwick and Timashov

Trouba, Stuart and Lemeiux

Our management isn't stupid none of our blue chip young guys are being traded. I don't think Shanny or Lou would be dumb enough to get rid of guys like Marner or Nylander. Trouba isn't even worth either of them IMO.

I don't think anyone thinks you should trade Nylander for Trouba... unless everybody has softened on her for some reason?
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People were discussing earlier in this thread. That's why I originally got onto the topic.

Once again, I do think Trouba is a good young player. Maybe he actually will become a top pairing guy, I just don't think he's there yet and he may never get there.

Gardiner, Hunwick and Timashov

Trouba, Stuart and Lemeiux
- BorjeFan4Ever

The problem with trading for Trouba is that someone will over pay for him like the oilers did with Larsson because its most teams biggest need. So in order to get him you'll have to give up more than he's worth to outbid the poorly managed teams. Who ever trades for him will most likely lose the trade.

I don't think anyone thinks you should trade Nylander for Trouba... unless everybody has softened on her for some reason?
- BINGO!

if anything - we've "hardened" on her