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Its not just trading a LHD for a similair LHD. Trouba wants alot of money and there are not alot of teams who can pay him that. Also Your asking a team to part with a d man and/or a prospect or pick.....then paying trouba what he wants.
It just seems like alot to get him then more to sign him.
This just looks bad on him and his agent. I think hes also ryan johonsons agent and encouraged him to miss camp for the blue jackets until they paid him.
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To PHI: Jacob Trouba, Mark Stuart, Andrew Copp, 2017 2nd Round Pick
To WPG: Ivan Provorov, Andrew McDonald, Travis Sanheim, 2017 6th Round Pick
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both links were broken... - JetsAvs
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Note: Posted this in the previous thread but it fits better here given the topic of the blog.
Here is a list of players that any deal for Trouba likely starts and ends with (as in other parts can be added by either team to make perceived fair value but if one of these players is not coming back to the Jets then the deal won't happen at all):
ANA - Cam Fowler
ANA - Hampus Lindholm
ANA - Shea Theodore
ANA already has tons of young right-shot defencemen and may have trouble fitting in a contract for Trouba, not to mention that removal of any of the above three players creates a problem on the left side for ANA.
ARI - Jacob Chychrun
Jacob Chychrun was just drafted and WPG likely wants a player with more certainty as to their future ceiling as a NHL player.
BOS - Jakub Zboril
See note regarding Chychrun.
CAR - Noah Hanifin
CAR - Haydn Fleury
Hanifin is likely not a player CAR would even consider giving up and Fleury may not have the experience WPG wants.
COL - Nikita Zadorov
COL - Chris Bigras
WPG is not likely to want to trade within the division and both Zadorov and Bigras have had the shine wear off a bit as prospects (in particular, a prospect that has already been traded once such as Zadorov is far less appealing in a trade - see Dano, Marko).
CBJ - Ryan Murray
CBJ - Zach Werenski
CBJ would have to cut off its nose to spite its face here, so to speak, and if I were the WPG management Ryan Murray is not a player I particularly want if there are other options. Werenski I imagine would be a non-starter for CBJ given the esteem he is held in by their organization.
EDM - Oscar Klefbom
EDM - Darnell Nurse
Klefbom doesn't make much sense as EDM surely wants to keep hold of their de-facto top-pairing lefty. Nurse would certainly be a more interesting proposition to both teams, especially if EDM is comfortable with Davidson/Reinhart filling the 3LD/7D positions going into the season. EDM has almost the opposite problem of Winnipeg where they have almost too many left shots and not enough right shots.
MIN - Jonas Brodin
This trade is probably not possible within the division and between two teams that likely view one another as being competition for a playoff challenge.
MTL - Nathan Beaulieu
MTL - Mikhail Sergachev
Neither is a realistic option. If MTL trades Beaulieu then they don't have a partner for Weber. If MTL trades Sergachev then they don't have a replacement for Markov. Add in Weber and Petry as MTL's current right-side options and I doubt Trouba falls into any better of a situation than he currently is in in WPG (not that he gets a say unless a team demands the right to talk contract with him prior to pulling the trigger on the trade).
NSH - Mattias Ekholm
There are countless reasons why this deal wouldn't work, but Ekholm is certainly a player WPG should be interested in.
NYI - Nick Leddy
See the note on Ekholm.
OTT - Thomas Chabot
Like others mentioned previously, Chabot may be slightly too green to pique WPG's interest too much.
PHI - Shanye Gostisbehere
PHI - Ivan Provorov
PHI - Robert Hagg
PHI - Samuel Morin
PHI - Travis Sanheim
PHI looks like a good trading partner for WPG here with no fewer than 5 options to pursue. All of PHI's top defence prospects are left-handed so they are potentially facing a log-jam in the future trying to fit all of these names in and WPG could help them out (and move Trouba out of the conference completely). Provorov and Gostisbehere may be a little too much to ask for without WPG adding more but Morin and Sanheim could be good choices as well.
PIT - Olli Maatta
PIT - Derrick Pouliot
These teams would make surprising trading partners and PIT would be hard pressed to make such a deal without sending significant salary back to WPG. PIT is likely loathe to move either player but they may feel that Trouba is more of a sure thing than two players who have had injuries and developmental concerns in the recent past.
TBL - Nikita Nesterov
TBL - Slater Koekkoek
The biggest obstacle here is Tampa Bay's cap issues as they would need to send significant dollars back to even contemplate acquiring Trouba. From WPG's perspective, I doubt these players are as appealing as some of the other names on this list so they may be best to take a pass on taking back a lesser player than Trouba and a cash dump to even the money.
TOR - Morgan Reilly
If TOR didn't hang up the phone laughing immediately after receiving this trade proposal I would be very surprised. Not only is Reilly's stock higher around the league but then Toronto would need to find a top pair LD to fill the gap. Jake Gardiner is not on the list because WPG management is not James Tanner.
VAN - Olli Juolevi
If VAN were able to trade the Sedins and revert to a traditional rebuild model then I would see them holding onto Juolevi but in reality where they are trying to stay competitive for the Sedins they might value the further-developed Trouba more. In any case, I imagine WPG wants someone a little further along on the developmental curve than Juolevi, despite the upside.
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In general, the Jets' potential trading partners are other teams with flawed rosters who have excess left-sided defencemen either on the roster or in the system. In general, I don't think the trade request hurts the value that Winnipeg will get for Trouba as young, skilled right-shot defencemen are hard to come by and the Jets are not under pressure to be contenders this year (so not having Trouba in the lineup while things sort themselves out is not the end of the world - in fact it may create more opportunity for a player like Josh Morrissey to play top 4 minutes).
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Is this just a money grab tactic? He wants 'someone' (Winnipeg), to show him the monaaaaaaaaaaaaay$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Surely his agent knows who has what & which teams can afford him. Is there any team that can do both? Is there any team that 'will' do that? Isles?? Oil will be in cap he'll soon won't they?
Looking at it from the outside, the Jets will be competitive, have the cap space to give him a raise with term, play him plenty & can play him right side every now & again. Yep, think it's a money grab. Roll the Cuba tape...............
Forget the Pens as a trade partner, we don't have the cap space although if you wanted to go Pouliot Trouba straight up (Pouliot I believe has a higher ceiling due to his offensive prowess (unproven to a large extent)), a few Pens fans will sign off on it. |
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Note: Posted this in the previous thread but it fits better here given the topic of the blog.
Here is a list of players that any deal for Trouba likely starts and ends with (as in other parts can be added by either team to make perceived fair value but if one of these players is not coming back to the Jets then the deal won't happen at all):
ANA - Cam Fowler
ANA - Hampus Lindholm
ANA - Shea Theodore
ANA already has tons of young right-shot defencemen and may have trouble fitting in a contract for Trouba, not to mention that removal of any of the above three players creates a problem on the left side for ANA.
ARI - Jacob Chychrun
Jacob Chychrun was just drafted and WPG likely wants a player with more certainty as to their future ceiling as a NHL player.
BOS - Jakub Zboril
See note regarding Chychrun.
CAR - Noah Hanifin
CAR - Haydn Fleury
Hanifin is likely not a player CAR would even consider giving up and Fleury may not have the experience WPG wants.
COL - Nikita Zadorov
COL - Chris Bigras
WPG is not likely to want to trade within the division and both Zadorov and Bigras have had the shine wear off a bit as prospects (in particular, a prospect that has already been traded once such as Zadorov is far less appealing in a trade - see Dano, Marko).
CBJ - Ryan Murray
CBJ - Zach Werenski
CBJ would have to cut off its nose to spite its face here, so to speak, and if I were the WPG management Ryan Murray is not a player I particularly want if there are other options. Werenski I imagine would be a non-starter for CBJ given the esteem he is held in by their organization.
EDM - Oscar Klefbom
EDM - Darnell Nurse
Klefbom doesn't make much sense as EDM surely wants to keep hold of their de-facto top-pairing lefty. Nurse would certainly be a more interesting proposition to both teams, especially if EDM is comfortable with Davidson/Reinhart filling the 3LD/7D positions going into the season. EDM has almost the opposite problem of Winnipeg where they have almost too many left shots and not enough right shots.
MIN - Jonas Brodin
This trade is probably not possible within the division and between two teams that likely view one another as being competition for a playoff challenge.
MTL - Nathan Beaulieu
MTL - Mikhail Sergachev
Neither is a realistic option. If MTL trades Beaulieu then they don't have a partner for Weber. If MTL trades Sergachev then they don't have a replacement for Markov. Add in Weber and Petry as MTL's current right-side options and I doubt Trouba falls into any better of a situation than he currently is in in WPG (not that he gets a say unless a team demands the right to talk contract with him prior to pulling the trigger on the trade).
NSH - Mattias Ekholm
There are countless reasons why this deal wouldn't work, but Ekholm is certainly a player WPG should be interested in.
NYI - Nick Leddy
See the note on Ekholm.
OTT - Thomas Chabot
Like others mentioned previously, Chabot may be slightly too green to pique WPG's interest too much.
PHI - Shanye Gostisbehere
PHI - Ivan Provorov
PHI - Robert Hagg
PHI - Samuel Morin
PHI - Travis Sanheim
PHI looks like a good trading partner for WPG here with no fewer than 5 options to pursue. All of PHI's top defence prospects are left-handed so they are potentially facing a log-jam in the future trying to fit all of these names in and WPG could help them out (and move Trouba out of the conference completely). Provorov and Gostisbehere may be a little too much to ask for without WPG adding more but Morin and Sanheim could be good choices as well.
PIT - Olli Maatta
PIT - Derrick Pouliot
These teams would make surprising trading partners and PIT would be hard pressed to make such a deal without sending significant salary back to WPG. PIT is likely loathe to move either player but they may feel that Trouba is more of a sure thing than two players who have had injuries and developmental concerns in the recent past.
TBL - Nikita Nesterov
TBL - Slater Koekkoek
The biggest obstacle here is Tampa Bay's cap issues as they would need to send significant dollars back to even contemplate acquiring Trouba. From WPG's perspective, I doubt these players are as appealing as some of the other names on this list so they may be best to take a pass on taking back a lesser player than Trouba and a cash dump to even the money.
TOR - Morgan Reilly
If TOR didn't hang up the phone laughing immediately after receiving this trade proposal I would be very surprised. Not only is Reilly's stock higher around the league but then Toronto would need to find a top pair LD to fill the gap. Jake Gardiner is not on the list because WPG management is not James Tanner.
VAN - Olli Juolevi
If VAN were able to trade the Sedins and revert to a traditional rebuild model then I would see them holding onto Juolevi but in reality where they are trying to stay competitive for the Sedins they might value the further-developed Trouba more. In any case, I imagine WPG wants someone a little further along on the developmental curve than Juolevi, despite the upside.
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In general, the Jets' potential trading partners are other teams with flawed rosters who have excess left-sided defencemen either on the roster or in the system. In general, I don't think the trade request hurts the value that Winnipeg will get for Trouba as young, skilled right-shot defencemen are hard to come by and the Jets are not under pressure to be contenders this year (so not having Trouba in the lineup while things sort themselves out is not the end of the world - in fact it may create more opportunity for a player like Josh Morrissey to play top 4 minutes). - shawzy_111
So, to sum up. Phi and Edm might be good trading partners.
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Note: Posted this in the previous thread but it fits better here given the topic of the blog.
Here is a list of players that any deal for Trouba likely starts and ends with (as in other parts can be added by either team to make perceived fair value but if one of these players is not coming back to the Jets then the deal won't happen at all):
ANA - Cam Fowler
ANA - Hampus Lindholm
ANA - Shea Theodore
ANA already has tons of young right-shot defencemen and may have trouble fitting in a contract for Trouba, not to mention that removal of any of the above three players creates a problem on the left side for ANA.
ARI - Jacob Chychrun
Jacob Chychrun was just drafted and WPG likely wants a player with more certainty as to their future ceiling as a NHL player.
BOS - Jakub Zboril
See note regarding Chychrun.
CAR - Noah Hanifin
CAR - Haydn Fleury
Hanifin is likely not a player CAR would even consider giving up and Fleury may not have the experience WPG wants.
COL - Nikita Zadorov
COL - Chris Bigras
WPG is not likely to want to trade within the division and both Zadorov and Bigras have had the shine wear off a bit as prospects (in particular, a prospect that has already been traded once such as Zadorov is far less appealing in a trade - see Dano, Marko).
CBJ - Ryan Murray
CBJ - Zach Werenski
CBJ would have to cut off its nose to spite its face here, so to speak, and if I were the WPG management Ryan Murray is not a player I particularly want if there are other options. Werenski I imagine would be a non-starter for CBJ given the esteem he is held in by their organization.
EDM - Oscar Klefbom
EDM - Darnell Nurse
Klefbom doesn't make much sense as EDM surely wants to keep hold of their de-facto top-pairing lefty. Nurse would certainly be a more interesting proposition to both teams, especially if EDM is comfortable with Davidson/Reinhart filling the 3LD/7D positions going into the season. EDM has almost the opposite problem of Winnipeg where they have almost too many left shots and not enough right shots.
MIN - Jonas Brodin
This trade is probably not possible within the division and between two teams that likely view one another as being competition for a playoff challenge.
MTL - Nathan Beaulieu
MTL - Mikhail Sergachev
Neither is a realistic option. If MTL trades Beaulieu then they don't have a partner for Weber. If MTL trades Sergachev then they don't have a replacement for Markov. Add in Weber and Petry as MTL's current right-side options and I doubt Trouba falls into any better of a situation than he currently is in in WPG (not that he gets a say unless a team demands the right to talk contract with him prior to pulling the trigger on the trade).
NSH - Mattias Ekholm
There are countless reasons why this deal wouldn't work, but Ekholm is certainly a player WPG should be interested in.
NYI - Nick Leddy
See the note on Ekholm.
OTT - Thomas Chabot
Like others mentioned previously, Chabot may be slightly too green to pique WPG's interest too much.
PHI - Shanye Gostisbehere
PHI - Ivan Provorov
PHI - Robert Hagg
PHI - Samuel Morin
PHI - Travis Sanheim
PHI looks like a good trading partner for WPG here with no fewer than 5 options to pursue. All of PHI's top defence prospects are left-handed so they are potentially facing a log-jam in the future trying to fit all of these names in and WPG could help them out (and move Trouba out of the conference completely). Provorov and Gostisbehere may be a little too much to ask for without WPG adding more but Morin and Sanheim could be good choices as well.
PIT - Olli Maatta
PIT - Derrick Pouliot
These teams would make surprising trading partners and PIT would be hard pressed to make such a deal without sending significant salary back to WPG. PIT is likely loathe to move either player but they may feel that Trouba is more of a sure thing than two players who have had injuries and developmental concerns in the recent past.
TBL - Nikita Nesterov
TBL - Slater Koekkoek
The biggest obstacle here is Tampa Bay's cap issues as they would need to send significant dollars back to even contemplate acquiring Trouba. From WPG's perspective, I doubt these players are as appealing as some of the other names on this list so they may be best to take a pass on taking back a lesser player than Trouba and a cash dump to even the money.
TOR - Morgan Reilly
If TOR didn't hang up the phone laughing immediately after receiving this trade proposal I would be very surprised. Not only is Reilly's stock higher around the league but then Toronto would need to find a top pair LD to fill the gap. Jake Gardiner is not on the list because WPG management is not James Tanner.
VAN - Olli Juolevi
If VAN were able to trade the Sedins and revert to a traditional rebuild model then I would see them holding onto Juolevi but in reality where they are trying to stay competitive for the Sedins they might value the further-developed Trouba more. In any case, I imagine WPG wants someone a little further along on the developmental curve than Juolevi, despite the upside.
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In general, the Jets' potential trading partners are other teams with flawed rosters who have excess left-sided defencemen either on the roster or in the system. In general, I don't think the trade request hurts the value that Winnipeg will get for Trouba as young, skilled right-shot defencemen are hard to come by and the Jets are not under pressure to be contenders this year (so not having Trouba in the lineup while things sort themselves out is not the end of the world - in fact it may create more opportunity for a player like Josh Morrissey to play top 4 minutes). - shawzy_111
A lot of the players on that list are already better than Trouba
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Note: Posted this in the previous thread but it fits better here given the topic of the blog.
Here is a list of players that any deal for Trouba likely starts and ends with (as in other parts can be added by either team to make perceived fair value but if one of these players is not coming back to the Jets then the deal won't happen at all):
ANA - Cam Fowler
ANA - Hampus Lindholm
ANA - Shea Theodore
ANA already has tons of young right-shot defencemen and may have trouble fitting in a contract for Trouba, not to mention that removal of any of the above three players creates a problem on the left side for ANA.
ARI - Jacob Chychrun
Jacob Chychrun was just drafted and WPG likely wants a player with more certainty as to their future ceiling as a NHL player.
BOS - Jakub Zboril
See note regarding Chychrun.
CAR - Noah Hanifin
CAR - Haydn Fleury
Hanifin is likely not a player CAR would even consider giving up and Fleury may not have the experience WPG wants.
COL - Nikita Zadorov
COL - Chris Bigras
WPG is not likely to want to trade within the division and both Zadorov and Bigras have had the shine wear off a bit as prospects (in particular, a prospect that has already been traded once such as Zadorov is far less appealing in a trade - see Dano, Marko).
CBJ - Ryan Murray
CBJ - Zach Werenski
CBJ would have to cut off its nose to spite its face here, so to speak, and if I were the WPG management Ryan Murray is not a player I particularly want if there are other options. Werenski I imagine would be a non-starter for CBJ given the esteem he is held in by their organization.
EDM - Oscar Klefbom
EDM - Darnell Nurse
Klefbom doesn't make much sense as EDM surely wants to keep hold of their de-facto top-pairing lefty. Nurse would certainly be a more interesting proposition to both teams, especially if EDM is comfortable with Davidson/Reinhart filling the 3LD/7D positions going into the season. EDM has almost the opposite problem of Winnipeg where they have almost too many left shots and not enough right shots.
MIN - Jonas Brodin
This trade is probably not possible within the division and between two teams that likely view one another as being competition for a playoff challenge.
MTL - Nathan Beaulieu
MTL - Mikhail Sergachev
Neither is a realistic option. If MTL trades Beaulieu then they don't have a partner for Weber. If MTL trades Sergachev then they don't have a replacement for Markov. Add in Weber and Petry as MTL's current right-side options and I doubt Trouba falls into any better of a situation than he currently is in in WPG (not that he gets a say unless a team demands the right to talk contract with him prior to pulling the trigger on the trade).
NSH - Mattias Ekholm
There are countless reasons why this deal wouldn't work, but Ekholm is certainly a player WPG should be interested in.
NYI - Nick Leddy
See the note on Ekholm.
OTT - Thomas Chabot
Like others mentioned previously, Chabot may be slightly too green to pique WPG's interest too much.
PHI - Shanye Gostisbehere
PHI - Ivan Provorov
PHI - Robert Hagg
PHI - Samuel Morin
PHI - Travis Sanheim
PHI looks like a good trading partner for WPG here with no fewer than 5 options to pursue. All of PHI's top defence prospects are left-handed so they are potentially facing a log-jam in the future trying to fit all of these names in and WPG could help them out (and move Trouba out of the conference completely). Provorov and Gostisbehere may be a little too much to ask for without WPG adding more but Morin and Sanheim could be good choices as well.
PIT - Olli Maatta
PIT - Derrick Pouliot
These teams would make surprising trading partners and PIT would be hard pressed to make such a deal without sending significant salary back to WPG. PIT is likely loathe to move either player but they may feel that Trouba is more of a sure thing than two players who have had injuries and developmental concerns in the recent past.
TBL - Nikita Nesterov
TBL - Slater Koekkoek
The biggest obstacle here is Tampa Bay's cap issues as they would need to send significant dollars back to even contemplate acquiring Trouba. From WPG's perspective, I doubt these players are as appealing as some of the other names on this list so they may be best to take a pass on taking back a lesser player than Trouba and a cash dump to even the money.
TOR - Morgan Reilly
If TOR didn't hang up the phone laughing immediately after receiving this trade proposal I would be very surprised. Not only is Reilly's stock higher around the league but then Toronto would need to find a top pair LD to fill the gap. Jake Gardiner is not on the list because WPG management is not James Tanner.
VAN - Olli Juolevi
If VAN were able to trade the Sedins and revert to a traditional rebuild model then I would see them holding onto Juolevi but in reality where they are trying to stay competitive for the Sedins they might value the further-developed Trouba more. In any case, I imagine WPG wants someone a little further along on the developmental curve than Juolevi, despite the upside.
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In general, the Jets' potential trading partners are other teams with flawed rosters who have excess left-sided defencemen either on the roster or in the system. In general, I don't think the trade request hurts the value that Winnipeg will get for Trouba as young, skilled right-shot defencemen are hard to come by and the Jets are not under pressure to be contenders this year (so not having Trouba in the lineup while things sort themselves out is not the end of the world - in fact it may create more opportunity for a player like Josh Morrissey to play top 4 minutes). - shawzy_111
Great list. Philly would seem like the best fit, except they have no cap space. I rather not trade trouba to edm. If we have to make a trade, what about zborill and a first? |
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Nurse + our 1st for Trouba + WPG's 2nd and call it a day.
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Well put together post.
Why wouldn't MTL trade Petry+ to the Jets. If trouba wants right side and he goes to a team where he plays behind Weber as #3 D I don't think he minds. Realistically he would become #2 D as markov won't be playing 22+ mins anymore.
I also don't think PHI deal Provorov at all. Guy is hyped to be the next huge D man.
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Trouba, Copp and 1st Rd pick
To Philly
Provorov and 2nd Rd
Philly would have to look at this and Trouba can take his chaperone ... Oops I mean roommate .... |
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And I'll post my trade offer: Petry, 17 1st, Dela Rose for Trouba and the customary 5th (Bergevins fav). |
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A lot of the players on that list are already better than Trouba - Santo_44
Agreed, in which case the Jets would add (which isn't a problem for a team with a stocked prospect pipeline). If you're Cheveldayoff do you balk at adding to get a Lindholm, Ghost, Hanifin, etc? I know I don't...
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Somebody give Troubas agent a wheelbarrow, a shovel, some sand, water & Cement so he can mix up a batch & give it to his client to harden the (frank) up! |
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Agreed, in which case the Jets would add (which isn't a problem for a team with a stocked prospect pipeline). If you're Cheveldayoff do you balk at adding to get a Lindholm, Ghost, Hanifin, etc? I know I don't... - shawzy_111
I think all three of those guys are untouchables for the time being, but Lindholm would be the most realistic to be moved. The other two, they are their teams #1D and have higher ceilings. I know Lindholm is #1 in ANA but he has been rumored to have been available. |
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Agreed. Islanders and Hamonic as well. Also as an outside possibility...Ruotsalainen in Buffalo. Trouba is friends with Bogo and Routsalainin friends with Laine. Both in similar RFA quandry. |
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Agreed, in which case the Jets would add (which isn't a problem for a team with a stocked prospect pipeline). If you're Cheveldayoff do you balk at adding to get a Lindholm, Ghost, Hanifin, etc? I know I don't... - shawzy_111
Prying away teams star players aren't easy. Lindholm would take way more than he's worth to pry away. Hey if they are willing then great but the Jets better be prepared to give up a lot. |
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Well put together post.
Why wouldn't MTL trade Petry+ to the Jets. If trouba wants right side and he goes to a team where he plays behind Weber as #3 D I don't think he minds. Realistically he would become #2 D as markov won't be playing 22+ mins anymore.
I also don't think PHI deal Provorov at all. Guy is hyped to be the next huge D man.
***EDIT***. This was supposed to quote the huge post where all the dif D men are listed. - SmielmaN
Trouba doesn't go to Montreal for two reasons: 1) Montreal probably doesn't have the cap to fit him in unless Petry comes back and 2) Winnipeg should have no interest in taking Petry or any other right-handed defender back.
As for Provorov, as I said, he might be a bit too much to ask for on his own but the Jets could certainly add something else to get it done. It would come down to how much Hextall values Provorov and Ghost (i.e. is Ghost going to become an all-situations player or just a PP/3-on-3 specialist?) and how much he values handedness on his D pairings. In general, it is hard to say how much value a semi-proven, high-potential player (i.e. Trouba) has relative to a highly-touted prospect (i.e. Provorov), which is why I'm leaving any potential additions for either side to those actually at the negotiating table).
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Agreed, in which case the Jets would add (which isn't a problem for a team with a stocked prospect pipeline). If you're Cheveldayoff do you balk at adding to get a Lindholm, Ghost, Hanifin, etc? I know I don't... - shawzy_111
Prying away teams star players aren't easy. Lindholm would take way more than he's worth to pry away. Hey if they are willing then great but the Jets better be prepared to give up a lot. |
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Prying away teams star players aren't easy. Lindholm would take way more than he's worth to pry away. Hey if they are willing then great but the Jets better be prepared to give up a lot. - Santo_44
Which is exactly why I said Toronto would likely laugh the Jets out of the room if the Jets asked for Reilly. The same could be said for those mentioned but the point of the post was to analyze who potential trade targets might be not limit it to the list of those that would be realistic to trade for Trouba straight-up. |
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To PHI: Jacob Trouba, Mark Stuart, Andrew Copp, 2017 2nd Round Pick
To WPG: Ivan Provorov, Andrew McDonald, Travis Sanheim, 2017 6th Round Pick - TheUltimateJet
I'm a Jets fan but common, not even close. The Flyers and possibly anyone might rank Provorov ahead of Trouba. I see getting Macdonald off their books as tempting but not enough to give up Sanheim and for Stuart and Copp,???? now if this was meant as a joke, I'm sorry.
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So, to sum up. Phi and Edm might be good trading partners.
- dbot
Those would be the best, but to leave out the other options would over simplify what is a dynamic situation where many teams (and not necessarily those two) are inquiring as to Trouba's availability. Besides, those teams are good trading partners going both ways but other teams on the list would be good targets for the Jets' needs regardless of the other club's viewpoint. |
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Agreed. Islanders and Hamonic as well. Also as an outside possibility...Ruotsalainen in Buffalo. Trouba is friends with Bogo and Routsalainin friends with Laine. Both in similar RFA quandry. - jetsnation
Those are non-starters. None of those options solve the Jets' problems since they both shoot right. Not to mention that both of those teams would be stupid to trade those players to Winnipeg as getting Trouba doesn't actually improve them in any meaningful way.
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