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arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 30 @ 10:25 AM ET
Aside from Lundqvist pushing the net off its moorings last year and/or anything that Patrick Roy has ever said, not sure how "explosive" a goalie can be. Sound positioning, good athleticism, and an ability to read shots is all you need.
- jmatchett383


Agreed and I really didn't understand why he finished his assessment with that explosive comment especially after a high compliment for his above average glove hand. Love the stocking of our goalie prospects.
arichardson22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Aug 30 @ 10:27 AM ET
The only things other than what you described that could be considered explosive is his push. But I agree. Explosive might be fun to watch but it's not really what you want to call your goalie
- YuenglingJagr


When I think of explosive for describing a goalie I for some reason associate it with over committing for a puck read / save attempt.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Aug 30 @ 10:31 AM ET
When I think of explosive for describing a goalie I for some reason associate it with over committing for a puck read / save attempt.
- arichardson22


I took that line to mean the explosively quick glove hand which is very rare. Brodeur had one. He'd be totally on his back and his glove hand would suddenly pop up and make a save.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Aug 30 @ 10:33 AM ET
I think that's more poor officiating than a problem with the rules. I'm not in favor of any "automatic" penalties (puck over the glass, cut with a high stick, etc.) at all, such as "stick parallel to ice = hook." However, at the same time, any time you use your stick to impede a player, it should be a penalty. It's tough, and mistakes will be made, but I think the league should take more measures to educate their refs, not tweak the rules/enforcement.
- jmatchett383


I actually love the puck over the glass penalty and 4 ninutes for cut with a high sticks.

I think what gets me is poop getting lost in the shuffle when coincidental minors gets called. Someone gets less or more than they should and an undeserving team goes to the Power play.

This is a fantastic topic by the way.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 30 @ 10:42 AM ET
I actually love the puck over the glass penalty and 4 ninutes for cut with a high sticks.

I think what gets me is poop getting lost in the shuffle when coincidental minors gets called. Someone gets less or more than they should and an undeserving team goes to the Power play.

This is a fantastic topic by the way.

- roenick97


I don’t like the automatic delay of game for the puck over the glass because it defeats the spirit of the rule. It was introduced in order to stop teams from deliberately flipping the puck over the glass to get a stoppage in play. The majority of the time that it happens now is accidental, since teams know that it will lead to a penalty. Which means that 100% of the time that it’s done, it’s accidental, not a team trying to get a stoppage.

Also, last year in the playoffs, Manning batted the puck out of midair and it deflected into the stands. Now, while I can’t for the life of me figure out why players still think that raising their sticks to bat at a puck over their head is a good idea, he was trying to knock it down, not send it into the 6th row.

Again, I like the ref to be able to use a little bit of common sense here. If a team is hemmed in and a player is able to settle the puck and (in the ref’s opinion) deliberately flips it over the glass, it should be a penalty, which is the spirit of the rule. But like I said, 100% of the time it’s done now is accidental, which totally defeats why the rule was introduced.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Aug 30 @ 10:57 AM ET
I don’t like the automatic delay of game for the puck over the glass because it defeats the spirit of the rule. It was introduced in order to stop teams from deliberately flipping the puck over the glass to get a stoppage in play. The majority of the time that it happens now is accidental, since teams know that it will lead to a penalty. Which means that 100% of the time that it’s done, it’s accidental, not a team trying to get a stoppage.

Also, last year in the playoffs, Manning batted the puck out of midair and it deflected into the stands. Now, while I can’t for the life of me figure out why players still think that raising their sticks to bat at a puck over their head is a good idea, he was trying to knock it down, not send it into the 6th row.

Again, I like the ref to be able to use a little bit of common sense here. If a team is hemmed in and a player is able to settle the puck and (in the ref’s opinion) deliberately flips it over the glass, it should be a penalty, which is the spirit of the rule. But like I said, 100% of the time it’s done now is accidental, which totally defeats why the rule was introduced.

- jmatchett383


I look at the game sort of like a fish bowl. I don't like the puck leaving the ice for any reason but if players cannot find away to exit the zone because they're getting out played in their own end, they have to do better than flip the puck out of play. This is also for the protection of the fans. I see your side but I like the penalty.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 30 @ 1:47 PM ET
I think that's more poor officiating than a problem with the rules. I'm not in favor of any "automatic" penalties (puck over the glass, cut with a high stick, etc.) at all, such as "stick parallel to ice = hook." However, at the same time, any time you use your stick to impede a player, it should be a penalty. It's tough, and mistakes will be made, but I think the league should take more measures to educate their refs, not tweak the rules/enforcement.
- jmatchett383


I think it's how the league instructs it's officials to call the game. If you raise your stick up horizontally and tap the guy on the arm or hip, that's not going to impede a player much, but 9 times out of 10, it will draw a call. There is hooking, and there is hooking.
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