Away from Greene/ Schneider, Larssons goals against per 60 is likely to look worse, But I think he will lead the Oilers, and probably by about as large a margin as he did with the Devils.

And wasn't that the point of the trade? To improve the Oilers defense?
- Mr.Bobby

Yeah definitely.

So basically GA60 says as much about how bad your goalie/linemates/team are as it does about you. Whereas GA60RelTM really just tries to say how bad your team is relative to you. Neither are useful for league-wide comparisons.

In other words, Larsson was great at limiting GA while playing in NJ with Schneider and he was also likely the best at limiting GA on NJ by a fairly wide margin. Considering NJ's D isn't very stacked and Schneider is a world-class goalie, those statements don't say as much as we'd probably like to think.

I don't think the trade was good value but I do think the Oil are situated better heading into next year with Larsson, Lucic and Pulju. Honestly I love Pulju, I think in a few years he will be taking over Hall's role in being the driver for one of the top 2 lines (with McD driving the other) but I think Pulju will be more effective at using his linemates than Hall was.

So the habs would have three right-wingers that play top six? Does that mean they would shift Radulov to left-wing complicating his adjustment to the nhl and therefore increasing his possibility of failure. Maybe third line of DD, Shaw, Yaks? Maybe Bergevin will move Gallagher for top flight left side moving defenceman. Bold move!!!! Lmfao!
- thepuckguru

Yeah good point. I'd hope they would give Yak a chance to play with Galchenyuk.

Maybe Gallagher would be a better fit as 3RW but with PP time.

Yeah definitely.

So basically GA60 says as much about how bad your goalie/linemates/team are as it does about you. Whereas GA60RelTM really just tries to say how bad your team is relative to you. Neither are useful for league-wide comparisons.

In other words, Larsson was great at limiting GA while playing in NJ with Schneider and he was also likely the best at limiting GA on NJ by a fairly wide margin. Considering NJ's D isn't very stacked and Schneider is a world-class goalie, those statements don't say as much as we'd probably like to think.

I don't think the trade was good value but I do think the Oil are situated better heading into next year with Larsson, Lucic and Pulju. Honestly I love Pulju, I think in a few years he will be taking over Hall's role in being the driver for one of the top 2 lines (with McD driving the other) but I think Pulju will be more effective at using his linemates than Hall was.
- RonPielep

If Klefbom is as good as advertised the Oil should be a team that improves quickly. They have about as good of center depth as anyone in the league with McDavid, Nuge and Draisaitl, a legit top pair in Larsson and Klefbom, and some guys on the wings that can score goals with Eberle, Lucic and Puljujarvi.

I'm nor in love with Talbot, but he's been put in a position to succeed with the goal support he will get, along with an actual NHL caliber defense in front of him.

- Mr.Bobby

If Klefbom is as good as advertised the Oil should be a team that improves quickly. They have about as good of center depth as anyone in the league with McDavid, Nuge and Draisaitl, a legit top pair in Larsson and Klefbom, and some guys on the wings that can score goals with Eberle, Lucic and Puljujarvi.

I'm nor in love with Talbot, but he's been put in a position to succeed with the goal support he will get, along with an actual NHL caliber defense in front of him.
- Mr.Bobby

Yeah I'm hoping they pull out of the bottom 5 of the league this year.

Yeah I'm hoping they pull out of the bottom 5 of the league this year.
- RonPielep

That's what she said...

Nail Yakupov (+) for Noah Juulsen (+) ?

Nail Yakupov (+) for Noah Juulsen (+) ?
- AlfieisKing

Realistically not enough for Yakapov. Juulsen isn't even a lock for a 5/6 position. They will want a 3/4 nhler with an upside. Yaks is still full of potential. Not sure with the Habs. Lacks the defensive prowess to play for therrien.

Every summer people talk about how improved the Oilers are...25th overall this year? dare to dream

Emelin and his cap hit wouldn't be enough to land Yakupov, with that said I don't think Yak is the type of player they should be targeting. .. a Emelin for Hartnell trade would make more sense, to me anyway
- obie

That would be a good trade just to hear Hartnell to tell Phaneuf to suck each game they played against the Sens.

Nail Yakupov (+) for Noah Juulsen (+) ?
- AlfieisKing

I'd do Yak and a 4th for Juulsen and a 2nd

I'd do Yak and a 4th for Juulsen and a 2nd
- MaximumBone

Juulsen doesn't seem like much of a prospect to me.


I don't know what mtl really has to offer

Yes ek, the oilers are gonna deal eberle and yakupov. Leaving 18 year old puljujarvi and kassian as our two top right wingers

Maybe throw in college signee phenom drake caggiula as our go to guy ..

You don't need a degree in fancy stats to read this.


- Mr.Bobby

Must be sleepy...does that mean Brandon Manning is the 10th best defensive defenseman in the NHL?

Those stats automatically get thrown out the window, pooped on by the neighbor's dog and put in the recycle bin.

Will trade Manning for Eberle...do it now!

Must be sleepy...does that mean Brandon Manning is the 10th best defensive defenseman in the NHL?

Those stats automatically get thrown out the window, pooped on by the neighbor's dog and put in the recycle bin.

Will trade Manning for Eberle...do it now!
- Glak18

The questions of "can he be a top pairing guy" are abit silly I think.

Those numbers are abit skewed perhaps, but I think he's proven he can be that shut down guy and play really tough minutes. He's done it already. And he's still developing

Doesn't change the fact that on pure value and talent we lost the deal for elite Taylor hall of course. but larsson and a heathy klefbom might be a quality top pairing and move this team forward

To what end. Oilers have next to nothing in the system for forwards other tha Pulj. Mostly because they draft so high and last year they traded a bunch of picks for Talbot and another go no where defense man. Nail asked to be traded and so far they have responded by what might be a top 5 worst trade in the history of Hockey. It's up there with Gilmour. Still they can't keep mortgaging forwards. They have a terrible goals for. For all their talent they need to put more pucks in the net. They can play a defensive game because... Well they have no defense and Hall was most likely their top two way player. Talbot is decent but he isn't a top 10 tender and maybe not a top 20 either. Oilers need to salvage their off season and look to UFAs at this point. Add cheap no talent character players as it is way too late to find a top pairing defender and quite frankly they tied their hands by losing Hall. They can't afford to lose more up front.

If Klefbom is as good as advertised the Oil should be a team that improves quickly. They have about as good of center depth as anyone in the league with McDavid, Nuge and Draisaitl, a legit top pair in Larsson and Klefbom, and some guys on the wings that can score goals with Eberle, Lucic and Puljujarvi.

I'm nor in love with Talbot, but he's been put in a position to succeed with the goal support he will get, along with an actual NHL caliber defense in front of him.
- Mr.Bobby

Agree with the center ice depth point you main.
I don't know about Larsson and Klef becoming as good as a "legit top pair" (although I'm looking at Keith-Seabrook as a bar....instead of...well Hurricans cup winners in 06 D pairings....
but LOVE the sweedish connection - hate it had to be Hall.

Structurally the Oilers were tons better and with the right pieces their progress will be very exciting to watch; maybe no other fan base deserves it more.

Realistically not enough for Yakapov. Juulsen isn't even a lock for a 5/6 position. They will want a 3/4 nhler with an upside. Yaks is still full of potential. Not sure with the Habs. Lacks the defensive prowess to play for therrien.
- thepuckguru

Yakupov is certainly not a 1st overall player but man I'd like to see him with Alex Galchenyuk. They played together for the playoffs in Sarnia combining for 9 points in 6 games. Good only spooner was on that team - a guy I'd trade Zack Smith for (just to have with fellow teammate in peterborough Matt Puempel)

I'd do Yak and a 4th for Juulsen and a 2nd
- MaximumBone

To what end. Oilers have next to nothing in the system for forwards other tha Pulj. Mostly because they draft so high and last year they traded a bunch of picks for Talbot and another go no where defense man. Nail asked to be traded and so far they have responded by what might be a top 5 worst trade in the history of Hockey. It's up there with Gilmour. Still they can't keep mortgaging forwards. They have a terrible goals for. For all their talent they need to put more pucks in the net. They can play a defensive game because... Well they have no defense and Hall was most likely their top two way player. Talbot is decent but he isn't a top 10 tender and maybe not a top 20 either. Oilers need to salvage their off season and look to UFAs at this point. Add cheap no talent character players as it is way too late to find a top pairing defender and quite frankly they tied their hands by losing Hall. They can't afford to lose more up front.
- Hall Fan

I agree about the farm....... .... what's scary is that Chiarelli is a guy I don't see as managing a good scouting staff. He inherited a team in Boston that already had David Krejci, Patrice Bergeron..... and it was only a month after taking over the scouting staff where Kessel (Seguin, Hamilton), Lucic, and Marchand were added. The best thing he did was stealing Chara off the open market; something he did receive criticism for due to the cap hit.

He was hired to put the team together; like he did in Boston. But looking at the years under PC, including his brother being added as a scout, you don't see much in terms of scouting. It was putting together the team he was good at. Adding a good coach and having prospects - seems like a great thing but man the team might regret it if they can't keep players together and replenish the farm

I'd do Yak and a 4th for Juulsen and a 2nd
- MaximumBone

I wouldn't

I wouldn't
- Komisaurus Rex

Hawt

Who would trade for Yakupov? He had 8 goals last year! He never had more than 33 points. He's small, weak on the puck and can't play defense. Why is he always in the rumor talks?? He's a bust. Go to the KHL already.

Who would trade for Yakupov? He had 8 goals last year! He never had more than 33 points. He's small, weak on the puck and can't play defense. Why is he always in the rumor talks?? He's a bust. Go to the KHL already.
- Gomey

But but but first overall

1) Since 2012, Larsson's defensive game has ranked #1 in the entire NHL. This trade has received a lot of criticism mainly because most people do not know a whole lot about him. He's not a flashy player, and he's not an attention whore... He just gets the job done defensively (brilliantly I should add).

2) The market value of LWs and RDs are not equal in the NHL...
- laughs2907

I'm guessing you didnt watch much of him the last few years.
Edmonton will regret this deal.

I have no idea why Bergevin would do such a dumb thing. It's not like he had a great offseason - trading Subban for Weber and adding Radulov. All you need it another dumb move like adding Yukupov.
- Oneonta Penguin

Yeah, like adding one of the best defenceman in the league, who is a natural leader & is on Team Canada's 1st pairing, 1st power play & an assistant captain is such a dumb thing to do. Adding Radulov with a 1 year contract could turn out to be a very good pick up, time will tell, but probably well worth the risk, even as a hockey fan of another team, I can see that these moves are probably going to make a competitor a better team!

Who would trade for Yakupov? He had 8 goals last year! He never had more than 33 points. He's small, weak on the puck and can't play defense. Why is he always in the rumor talks?? He's a bust. Go to the KHL already.
- Gomey

First year stats were decent. 31pts 17goals in 48 games and only a -4. He may be a bust when you think of him as being the 1st pick overall but if you look at him as just a young player who may have actually have needed time in the ahl, who was brought up too young with too much pressure on a terrible team that had no defence and no goaltending, it could be argued that he was mismanaged and a new beginning (one with less expectations) could save his nhl career.