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bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Aug 11 @ 2:19 PM ET
Dude... How about you look at facts such as what they both did in their first NHL seasons... How about you look at facts like how one progressed rapidly, while the other declined as the year went on... Look, as an Oilers fan, I'd love to say that Draisaitl is better... But I can't, because I'm not blind. Whether you like it or not, the fact remains that Eichel is better.
- laughs2907


I would love to look at the facts if you would show them to me
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Aug 11 @ 2:19 PM ET
I spoke of the Devil and the Devil resigned.
goodbye patrick

- DeflatedPucks


I know! hahah, good call!
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 11 @ 2:27 PM ET
No my scouting report uses facts and arguments other than "I saw him and he looked better"

This being said I personally would take Eichel over Drai in the long run. But this blog was about the current best cneters under 21 and looking at the total body of work draisatl is currently better

- bulet13

Yup, because 60 points in 109 games is totally better than 56 points in 81 games. Fantastic
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Aug 11 @ 2:31 PM ET
I would love to look at the facts if you would show them to me
- bulet13


Would you like me to do this before or after I warm up your milk and give you a bath.

Look it up on Google yourself, and maybe start watching both play... Look at each player's game by game stats. You look at both players' first season and it's no contest. You look at the second part of Draisaitl's second season, and the second part of Eichels first season, and it's clear who the best is... Eichel has a much better hockey IQ.

I always laugh at guys who say, I don't believe it, prove it to me... My answer to that is no. The stats are out there and they're easy to find. Use Google for God's sake.

Like I said, guys... I'm an Oilers fan. I wish I could say the Draisaitl is better now, but that's just not the case... I know all 30 GMs would agree.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Aug 11 @ 2:32 PM ET
Yup, because 60 points in 109 games is totally better than 56 points in 81 games. Fantastic
- sbroads24


I don't understand how anyone could seriously believe Draisaitl is better than Eichel right now
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Aug 11 @ 2:35 PM ET
Would you like me to do this before or after I warm up your milk and give you a bath.

Look it up on Google yourself, and maybe start watching both play... Look at each player's game by game stats. You look at both players' first season and it's no contest. You look at the second part of Draisaitl's second season, and the second part of Eichels first season, and it's clear who the best is... Eichel has a much better hockey IQ.

I always laugh at guys who say, I don't believe it, prove it to me... My answer to that is no. The stats are out there and they're easy to find. Use Google for God's sake.

Like I said, guys... I'm an Oilers fan. I wish I could say the Draisaitl is better now, but that's just not the case... I know all 30 GMs would agree.

- laughs2907


I'll take the warm milk in the bathtub. It's good for the skin
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Aug 11 @ 2:39 PM ET
I'll take the warm milk in the bathtub. It's good for the skin
- bulet13


No, milk is too expensive, and unless I spend hundreds of dollars on this, it'll be too diluted to help your skin.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Aug 11 @ 2:39 PM ET
I don't understand how anyone could seriously believe Draisaitl is better than Eichel right now
- laughs2907

If I'm correct

Kadri>Drais>Eichel

Gardiner>Franson>Risto> Nurse


Am I Tannering right?
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Aug 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
If I'm correct

Kadri>Drais>Eichel

Gardiner>Franson>Risto> Nurse


Am I Tannering right?

- sbroads24


The Leaves are in store for a super-dynasty.
Isles_since_6
New York Islanders
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 07.13.2009

Aug 11 @ 2:43 PM ET
Barkov not number 1
- DDM-Coga

goddamn cheating refs.
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Aug 11 @ 2:45 PM ET
No, milk is too expensive, and unless I spend hundreds of dollars on this, it'll be too diluted to help your skin.
- laughs2907


scouts don't get paid much huh?
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Aug 11 @ 2:47 PM ET
scouts don't get paid much huh?
- bulet13


I'm new... I only know stuff that's common sense at the moment
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Aug 11 @ 2:52 PM ET
I'm new... I only know stuff that's common sense at the moment
- laughs2907


I'm sure that's also a Don Sweeny quote
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Aug 11 @ 2:52 PM ET
I don't understand how anyone could seriously believe Draisaitl is better than Eichel right now
- laughs2907

Maybe because they are open to analyzing more than just a few results
bulet13
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Faceoffs, Plus/Minus, and PIMs...the Holy Trinity, TX
Joined: 03.10.2013

Aug 11 @ 3:01 PM ET
Maybe because they are open to analyzing more than just a few results
- Feds91Stammer


shhhh don't ruin our scouting strategy
DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Aug 11 @ 3:04 PM ET
I don't understand how anyone could seriously believe Draisaitl is better than Eichel right now
- laughs2907



Exactly. And I don't understand how anyone could seriously think Draisaitl will amount to an average 2nd liner who is nothing special.
geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Aug 11 @ 3:07 PM ET
This is a good list.
- SolidGoldBricks

in the KHL...
geta02it
Calgary Flames
Location: AB
Joined: 11.10.2007

Aug 11 @ 3:07 PM ET
The Leaves are in store for a super-dynasty.
- laughs2907

continuing from 1969...
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Aug 11 @ 3:09 PM ET
I don't understand how anyone could seriously believe Draisaitl is better than Eichel right now
- laughs2907

Draisaitl without Hall will be very different too.

Hall makes players on his line better.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Aug 11 @ 3:09 PM ET
Exactly. And I don't understand how anyone could seriously think Draisaitl will amount to an average 2nd liner who is nothing special.
- DeflatedPucks


There's nothing wrong with being a good 2nd line center... Will he be better than that? Who knows? Time will tell... All I can say for sure is that right now, Eichel is the superior player.
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Aug 11 @ 3:10 PM ET
Draisaitl without Hall will be very different too.

Hall makes players on his line better.

- Iggysbff


I know what you're getting at, but yeah... It's true.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Aug 11 @ 3:11 PM ET
Maybe because they are open to analyzing more than just a few results
- Feds91Stammer

I get where you're coming from KFed. But last year Drai was a product of Hall. Nothing more.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Aug 11 @ 3:24 PM ET
he's discouting a 37 game sample that he was brutal, and a 52 game sample that he wasn't much better.
- prock

I mean, if we're gonna cherry pick and not factor in the time each player was more successful, there was a stretch at the beginning of the season where he only 14 points in 32 games and a stretch in February where he only scored 7 points in 14 games. If we're going to ignore Draisaitl's scoring streak because it was "only 30 games" then it's only fair to do the same for Eichel.

The fact is, Draisaitl scored at an above-PPG pace for the first 30 games of this season. While his production certainly dropped off in the latter half of the year, he still terrorized the league with Hall for those 30 games. Beyond offense (because that's important to consider), he posted far better possession numbers on a weaker team, stronger shot metrics, and was 7 percent better on the dot (41% to 48.4%). As of now, I'd give the edge (because it's close) to Leon, but am comfortable saying Eichel will surely surpass him this year.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner sucks
Joined: 03.03.2016

Aug 11 @ 4:25 PM ET
5. Monahan

4. Larkin

3. Eichel

2. Barkov

1.5 Matthews

1. McDavid
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Aug 11 @ 5:09 PM ET
Holy poop MacKinnon is still only 21 or younger?
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