I think we can all agree that there is a happy median between Weber's last playoff game last season levels of suck and somehow being good enough to play 26 minutes a night in all situations.
- AdamFrench

I disagree. Median is the wrong stat to be using in this type of analysis, I think we should be focusing on the mean if anything.

I think we can all agree that there is a happy median between Weber's last playoff game last season levels of suck and somehow being good enough to play 26 minutes a night in all situations.
- AdamFrench

all i am trying to say is that i believe the deal was a lot fairer than some people make it out to be

Damn.

NHL Network I presume? I wouldn't be able to watch that many games from other teams.
- Scabeh

I get center ice every year and watch a lot of hockey in the winter. Plus, they usually play different days/times than the Bruins, but still play early enough to catch the majority of the game.

pack it up folks, this man watched games!
- daeth

I said he looked fine, not even trying to get into the argument. But I will say advanced stats should be used in conjunction with actual game play or you'll be like, well, Tanner.

He would need to be a poster who's opinion I respect though. Rick James is one of them.
- Scabeh

Heyyy cheers bud

Right back at you

I said he looked fine, not even trying to get into the argument. But I will say advanced stats should be used in conjunction with actual game play or you'll be like, well, Tanner.
- RickJames77

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I'm just poking fun at the "how many games have you watched" question. In a thread where we all pretty much watch 82 Leafs games a year (more if we include pre-season) yet can't agree on how awesome or poopty Gardiner is I just couldn't possibly care less how many times someone has seen Weber play. It doesn't make for a good discussion.

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I'm just poking fun at the "how many games have you watched" question. In a thread where we all pretty much watch 82 Leafs games a year (more if we include pre-season) yet can't agree on how awesome or poopty Gardiner is I just couldn't possibly care less how many times someone has seen Weber play. It doesn't make for a good discussion.
- daeth

Gardiner sucks




Done.

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I'm just poking fun at the "how many games have you watched" question. In a thread where we all pretty much watch 82 Leafs games a year (more if we include pre-season) yet can't agree on how awesome or poopty Gardiner is I just couldn't possibly care less how many times someone has seen Weber play. It doesn't make for a good discussion.
- daeth

you're the one who said "eye test"



you are chirping your own post

or how about offensive zone starts vs defensive zone starts?

not to mention he played in the west which is typically the more offensive conference
- Dozzer

Weber: 51% offensive zone starts
PK: 52.9%

I'm not trying to say you're wrong, I'm just poking fun at the "how many games have you watched" question. In a thread where we all pretty much watch 82 Leafs games a year (more if we include pre-season) yet can't agree on how awesome or poopty Gardiner is I just couldn't possibly care less how many times someone has seen Weber play. It doesn't make for a good discussion.
- daeth

I haven't watched 82 leaf gamesfrom start to finish since Tucker was bought out

Weber: 51% offensive zone starts
PK: 52.9%


- stashu

fairly even then...

whats the QoC like?

as with any player you can find faults in their game if you go looking for them

its a biased way to approach things

sure... note his weaknesses... but in doing so his strengths should also be noted to create a fair and impartial opinion
- Dozzer

How is it biased if they are taking several years? They aren't cherry picking, they did note his strengths(offense) They are just pointing out that his other perceived strength isn't what it was/what people think it is

fairly even then...

whats the QoC like?
- Dozzer

FFS...do your own work!

http://www.hockeyabstract.com/playerusagecharts

How is it biased if they are taking several years? They aren't cherry picking, they did note his strengths(offense) They are just pointing out that his other perceived strength isn't what it was/what people think it is
- burn

all i am trying to say is that it isnt nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be

pair someone like weber with someone like beaulieu, a young, speedy PMD, allowing weber to not have to take as many risks positionally

when it boils right down to it, hockey is a team game, and a good coach makes sure he sets up his defensive pairings with guys who compliment each others games

as of now, I'd still take Weber over PK.

FFS...do your own work!

http://www.hockeyabstract.com/playerusagecharts
- stashu

i'm the weber of the boards these days, old and useless

as of now, I'd still take Weber over PK.
- Lucas Neilson

me too

as of now, I'd still take Weber over PK.
- Lucas Neilson

so would I....for the next 3 seasons or so

as of now, I'd still take Weber over PK.
- Lucas Neilson

I'd take Weber over PK if I had a 4 year window in which I was trying to win a cup.

i'm the weber of the boards these days, old and useless
- Dozzer

I just don't understand all the fancy stats, so I can't answer your further questions cuz it makes my mind too wobbly. Answering a direct "what's X player's zone starts" is easy. :D

Some more for you on these two though:

http://www.behindthenet.c...1&f3=P.K.SUBBAN&f1=2015_s

http://www.behindthenet.c...=1&f3=SHEAWEBER&f1=2015_s

you're the one who said "eye test"



you are chirping your own post
- Dozzer

I can chirp myself whenever I want!

me too
- Dozzer

as would Yzerman and the rest of team Canada - I don't really get why this is such an argument fellas!

PK has the flash
Weber is the 2 headed beast with the hardest shot in the league.

all i am trying to say is that it isnt nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be

pair someone like weber with someone like beaulieu, a young, speedy PMD, allowing weber to not have to take as many risks positionally

when it boils right down to it, hockey is a team game, and a good coach makes sure he sets up his defensive pairings with guys who compliment each others games
- Dozzer

Pretty big drop off from roman Josi to beaulieu

as would Yzerman and the rest of team Canada - I don't really get why this is such an argument fellas!

PK has the flash
Weber is the 2 headed beast with the hardest shot in the league.
- Lucas Neilson

Yeah but PK can spin and twirl and pirouette

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...ove-gives-jets-easy-goal/

Pretty big drop off from roman Josi to beaulieu
- burn

i wont argue with that

i guess its going to be a wait and see type thing

all i am trying to say is the deal wasnt as lopsided as some make it out to be