The only thing bruiniak smokes is the pole.
- dothedougie

He can beat the meat but not the prices.

He can beat the meat but not the prices.
- Feds91Stammer

For your amusement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V_0k7DZt-o




- dothedougie

Lol... I was drunk and fed up.


I agree strongly with the statement about trading down. Maybe not last year because of the other interest in Debrusk and Senyshyn, but for Frederick, absolutely. They could have easily traded it for like the 35-40th pick and another late second or third rounder. But Sweeney is the one making the big bucks...

Shortsighted eh? Ok then
- dothedougie

Yes, it is shortsighted to simply draft the best player available... just look at the Oilers. You can't just draft 6 scoring wingers if they are the best players available... If you simply draft the best available player, you're setting yourself up to have to trade your top line winger in order to get any help on defense.

Sorry I offered a different opinion... didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch.

Yes, it is shortsighted to simply draft the best player available... just look at the Oilers. You can't just draft 6 scoring wingers if they are the best players available... If you simply draft the best available player, you're setting yourself up to have to trade your top line winger in order to get any help on defense.

Sorry I offered a different opinion... didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch.
- mixturebill

Honestly I could care less. But I hold firm to BPA. Organizations have selected the BPA every year and still made the playoffs. The Oilers have had piss poor asset management and coaching, and general management. I would say that has more to do with their playoff drought than selecting the BPA at the draft.


I'm not saying trading down is a bad idea. Its a fan-(frank)ing-tastic idea. Should have been done with the 29th pick this year. BUT, if you are going to make the selection, you select the BPA. If you have half a brain as a GM, you make the team work. If you start accumulating too much of a particular kind of asset, YOU MAKE TRADES TO MAKE YOUR TEAM BETTER. Something the Oilers didnt seem to grasp until PC took over. Now he can go make blunders over there.


But what do I know, I am too busy unknotting my panties.

You can't draft players based on a perceived fit when they most likely don't make an NHL impact for 3-5 years. BAP or GTFO.
- Feds91Stammer

You most certainly can draft a player based on their perceived fit... it just might end up not working out exactly how you thought it would in 3-5 years. It seems to me that's what the Bruins did when they drafted Frederic. They most likely thought of him as the best bottom 6 player in the draft, and they understand that not every player will/can play top 6.

Again, I think it was dumb to not trade that pick and select him in a later round... I'm just trying to provide some thoughts around why they picked him.

Yes, it is shortsighted to simply draft the best player available... just look at the Oilers. You can't just draft 6 scoring wingers if they are the best players available... If you simply draft the best available player, you're setting yourself up to have to trade your top line winger in order to get any help on defense.

Sorry I offered a different opinion... didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch.
- mixturebill

So you are suggesting the Oilers should have reached for lesser players based on the positions they play?????????????

You most certainly can draft a player based on their perceived fit... it just might end up not working out exactly how you thought it would in 3-5 years. It seems to me that's what the Bruins did when they drafted Frederic. They most likely thought of him as the best bottom 6 player in the draft, and they understand that not every player will/can play top 6.

Again, I think it was dumb to not trade that pick and select him in a later round... I'm just trying to provide some thoughts around why they picked him.
- mixturebill

LOL WUT?

So you are suggesting the Oilers should have reached for lesser players based on the positions they play?????????????
- Feds91Stammer

It works in NHL 16, why not IRL?

Honestly I could care less. But I hold firm to BPA. Organizations have selected the BPA every year and still made the playoffs. The Oilers have had piss poor asset management and coaching, and general management. I would say that has more to do with their playoff drought than selecting the BPA at the draft.


But what do I know, I am too busy unknotting my panties.
- dothedougie

You didn't have to take offense to it is all I was saying... I was simply offering a different opinion... and I think it's shortsighted to draft based on BPA.

Let's not forget these are made up rankings based on what scouts (who rank all of these guys DIFFERENTLY by the way...) think. It's not set in stone that Barzal or Connor will be better than Senyshyn or Debrusk. The two B's prospect may go on to play 10 NHL seasons, and Barzal and Connor might be out of the league in a year. There are plenty of guys that get drafted in the first round who never make it to the NHL.

To me, you draft to fit your organization. You don't just rely on a ranking system of scouts who say, this guy is #6, this guy is #13, that guy is #25. Maybe #25 ends up being the better player out of all of them.

I think your logic works in regards to the #1 overall pick... You're not going to draft Charlie McAvoy with the #1 overall pick with Auston Matthews is on the board. But once you start getting down the list, it's a total crapshoot in regards to who makes the NHL. Draft based on what you need... not just a number some scouts make up.

LOL WUT?
- Feds91Stammer

Is that concept too hard for you to understand? You don't understand that some players are built to play in a top 6 role, while other players are meant to play in a bottom 6 role?

You didn't have to take offense to it is all I was saying... I was simply offering a different opinion... and I think it's shortsighted to draft based on BPA.

Let's not forget these are made up rankings based on what scouts (who rank all of these guys DIFFERENTLY by the way...) think. It's not set in stone that Barzal or Connor will be better than Senyshyn or Debrusk. The two B's prospect may go on to play 10 NHL seasons, and Barzal and Connor might be out of the league in a year. There are plenty of guys that get drafted in the first round who never make it to the NHL.

To me, you draft to fit your organization. You don't just rely on a ranking system of scouts who say, this guy is #6, this guy is #13, that guy is #25. Maybe #25 ends up being the better player out of all of them.

I think your logic works in regards to the #1 overall pick... You're not going to draft Charlie McAvoy with the #1 overall pick with Auston Matthews is on the board. But once you start getting down the list, it's a total crapshoot in regards to who makes the NHL. Draft based on what you need... not just a number some scouts make up.
- mixturebill

You should be ranking your prospects based on this. BAP is based on your rankings not the central scouting consensus and whatnot.

Is that concept too hard for you to understand? You don't understand that some players are built to play in a top 6 role, while other players are meant to play in a bottom 6 role?
- mixturebill

What if you just build 4 good lines that are all out there to score?

So you are suggesting the Oilers should have reached for lesser players based on the positions they play?????????????
- Feds91Stammer

Again... you are saying that the scouts have the rankings PERFECT... and you're also living in the realm that you HAVE to use your draft pick, when you could easily trade it if it doesn't make sense to draft that player.

It was plain as day that the Oilers have needed help on defense for a while now, yet they continually draft skilled forwards. Maybe they should have traded down to take the best overall defenseman... rather than drafting a team full of skilled forwards and trading away one of the best LW in the game for a questionable D-man.

You should be ranking your prospects based on this. BAP is based on your rankings not the central scouting consensus and whatnot.
- Feds91Stammer

Well then based on this logic, maybe the Bruins had Frederic ranked 2nd on their list... would that make it perfectly okay to draft him in the first round?

What if you just build 4 good lines that are all out there to score?
- Feds91Stammer

You can't have four 1st lines...
Hockey doesn't work like that... especially in a salary cap league.

Well then based on this logic, maybe the Bruins had Frederic ranked 2nd on their list... would that make it perfectly okay to draft him in the first round?
- mixturebill

In theory yes but since I know who is running the Bruins no.

You can't have four 1st lines...
Hockey doesn't work like that... especially in a salary cap league.
- mixturebill

But why does your bottom 6 have to be "role players"?

But why does your bottom 6 have to be "role players"?
- Feds91Stammer

They don't have to be... they have to fit your organization and your system though.

Maybe a coach would want to run 3 scoring lines and a checking line. Maybe another coaches system would be 2 scoring lines, a checking line and an energy line...

You have to have players that will fit into your system and the style you want to play. The Lightning might want a guy that can skate fast and score on their 3rd line, while the Bruins might want a guy who is great at forechecking and hitting on their 3rd line.

There is no 100% right way to do it... it's all based on your organization, the coach, their system, and what style of play they want.

Also it's more so the salary cap that dictates these players are usually "role" players. If you can fit a Phil Kessel at almost $7m onto your third line... more power to you. But more often than not, teams are not going to have the cap space/players available to make that happen.

They don't have to be... they have to fit your organization and your system though.

Maybe a coach would want to run 3 scoring lines and a checking line. Maybe another coaches system would be 2 scoring lines, a checking line and an energy line...

You have to have players that will fit into your system and the style you want to play. The Lightning might want a guy that can skate fast and score on their 3rd line, while the Bruins might want a guy who is great at forechecking and hitting on their 3rd line.

There is no 100% right way to do it... it's all based on your organization, the coach, their system, and what style of play they want.

Also it's more so the salary cap that dictates these players are usually "role" players. If you can fit a Phil Kessel at almost $7m onto your third line... more power to you. But more often than not, teams are not going to have the cap space/players available to make that happen.
- mixturebill

Well I want to run 4 scoring lines.

You can't have four 1st lines...
Hockey doesn't work like that... especially in a salary cap league.
- mixturebill

Buddy, give it up. You can either poop all over Sweeney and the B's, or these clowns will harass you for having a different opinion. It's hilarious how theyve decided that they have unlocked the secret to team building . It's like listening to Tanner. "I'm right, you're stupid, Nana nana boo boo!"

But why does your bottom 6 have to be "role players"?
- Feds91Stammer

Idk, ask the 'Hawks, they (frank)in love em

Buddy, give it up. You can either poop all over Sweeney and the B's, or these clowns will harass you for having a different opinion. It's hilarious how theyve decided that they have unlocked the secret to team building . It's like listening to Tanner. "I'm right, you're stupid, Nana nana boo boo!"
- Shaundre93

They don't have to be... they have to fit your organization and your system though.

Maybe a coach would want to run 3 scoring lines and a checking line. Maybe another coaches system would be 2 scoring lines, a checking line and an energy line...

You have to have players that will fit into your system and the style you want to play. The Lightning might want a guy that can skate fast and score on their 3rd line, while the Bruins might want a guy who is great at forechecking and hitting on their 3rd line.

There is no 100% right way to do it... it's all based on your organization, the coach, their system, and what style of play they want.

Also it's more so the salary cap that dictates these players are usually "role" players. If you can fit a Phil Kessel at almost $7m onto your third line... more power to you. But more often than not, teams are not going to have the cap space/players available to make that happen.
- mixturebill

Great post

Backed > Brown