I got invited to meet ledecky tonight at Eisenhower, and wanted to go and spill that Barclays representation stinks. Unfortunately I have a hockey game of my own.
IF you want season tickets holders to shell 45 games (41 plus the 4 preseason bs games) - you need to create the value proposition. But charging season ticket holders full ticket then flooding ticket master with tickets below face is unacceptable.
- Spartiarti

They had that back at the NVMC once the isles were out of it tickets dropped......we were getting smoked paying $105 a seat to see it on stubhub for $25.

I just stopped getting season tickets......phuck that.

They had that back at the NVMC once the isles were out of it tickets dropped......we were getting smoked paying $105 a seat to see it on stubhub for $25.

I just stopped getting season tickets......phuck that.
- kindlyrick

That is kind of a raw deal. Now I'm thinking I'm probably going to get hosed over my seasons for this AHL team. But, then again, they were only $20 a seat per game. So.....not sure how much lower they can go. I just know that attendance is going to be an issue out here.

They had that back at the NVMC once the isles were out of it tickets dropped......we were getting smoked paying $105 a seat to see it on stubhub for $25.

I just stopped getting season tickets......phuck that.
- kindlyrick

Jesus that's bullpoop you cant sell them for less than your season ticket holders are paying they are your base, i get something is better than nothing for a seat but man thats just bending over your biggest fans. Also just watched a clip on sportsnet on jt playing against the panthers and it showed all his highlights that series but that game winner still gives me goosebumps i litterally went through the ceiling

His first plan was enormous. Then he cut it down to just huge. It wasn't just shops, he also wanted to put up housing. There were a ton of factors in it being rejected. They didn't want the traffic. The people that owned Roosevelt Field didn't want the competition. The town didn't want low income housing. Wang didn't want to rebuild the Coliseum without getting a big development project.
- JimmyP

He didn't cut it down, they came back to him and offered to let him build 1/4 of what he had proposed and he didn't see it as being profitable scaled back.

I really think Wang would have. If TofH had come back to him with reduced plan early on, they could of went back and forth a few time and agreed to something.
Instead Murray and now town super Santino waited to the 11th hour of when deadline was and the dropped the revised plan which was pretty much 25% of what Wang wanted. I would have told her to shove it too.
- Spartiarti

You beat me to it

They had that back at the NVMC once the isles were out of it tickets dropped......we were getting smoked paying $105 a seat to see it on stubhub for $25.

I just stopped getting season tickets......phuck that.
- kindlyrick

It's an odd situation. Fans want cheap tickets, but the isles won't make money selling tickets for 20 bucks... If they were to build a new arena, they're going to charge big bucks for seats to get the money spent on the building back... Fans can't have it both ways.

I can't see a new arena being funded by the tax payers...who's going to vote to pay 600 mil+ for an arena? People voted no to 100 mil to reno the coliseum. Lots of questions, don't see any answers yet.

It's an odd situation. Fans want cheap tickets, but the isles won't make money selling tickets for 20 bucks... If they were to build a new arena, they're going to charge big bucks for seats to get the money spent on the building back... Fans can't have it both ways.

I can't see a new arena being funded by the tax payers...who's going to vote to pay 600 mil+ for an arena? People voted no to 100 mil to reno the coliseum. Lots of questions, don't see any answers yet.
- Isles_since_6

The isles were so bad for so long that the fans got used to cheap tickets and didnt want to pay real nhl ticket prices. I suppose its better to sell them cheap from the teams point of view and get something plus the people going will pay for parking (at coliseum) as well as concessions( i guess at the coliseum the team saw barely any of that with the terrible contract). The islanders need to do what the Panthers did 2 years ago and say this is the price and we arent going to undervalue our product. If the team wins the people will come out regardless of the price. No joke ive gone to games with all 6 members of my family and sat 7 rows back for 150 dollars and gone to ahl games here and spent 115.

The isles were so bad for so long that the fans got used to cheap tickets and didnt want to pay real nhl ticket prices. I suppose its better to sell them cheap from the teams point of view and get something plus the people going will pay for parking (at coliseum) as well as concessions( i guess at the coliseum the team saw barely any of that with the terrible contract). The islanders need to do what the Panthers did 2 years ago and say this is the price and we arent going to undervalue our product. If the team wins the people will come out regardless of the price. No joke ive gone to games with all 6 members of my family and sat 7 rows back for 150 dollars and gone to ahl games here and spent 115.
- Upstate_isles

Definitely agree with this. If the face value of a ticket is $95 and they sell it for $30, then the buyer has a $65 savings. With the mindset that they just saved that money, they're going to spend it on concessions and probably merchandise, and like you said, parking. If the team just eats the ticket because no one will pay the $95, then they just take a bath on it. My season tickets for our AHL team cost me $20 a seat for the season, and I'm 3 rows back. If they decide to get rid of surrounding seats for cheaper, well, I'm not really going to lose a whole lot. It's simple economics. A seat with someone in it will generate some kind of cash, an empty one won't. Sucks that anyone would pay $105 just to see the same seat going for $25. I guess it wouldn't give you that warm, fuzzy feeling.

It's an odd situation. Fans want cheap tickets, but the isles won't make money selling tickets for 20 bucks... If they were to build a new arena, they're going to charge big bucks for seats to get the money spent on the building back... Fans can't have it both ways.

I can't see a new arena being funded by the tax payers...who's going to vote to pay 600 mil+ for an arena? People voted no to 100 mil to reno the coliseum. Lots of questions, don't see any answers yet.
- Isles_since_6

no one is asking islanders to make ticket vs very cheap. just hold their ground. If they know fans are waiting to buy cheap tickets at last min, rather than destroying the people that pay up for full season, Islanders should just eat the ticket or give it to their season ticket holder as a Thank you for supporting.
Instead by being greedy and underminding season ticket holders, You just have guys like me and kindlyrick that say, im not doing it anymore.

as for coliseum. the 200 levels seats use to hold their price. The worst price I ever sold my ticket was for about $75 a ticket, Season ticket price was $90 but what the islanders did that was smart was face value on ticket was $120.

Trust me, I have no worry at all not being season ticket holder this year, I will find tickets to every game I want to go to. And if I have to pay 20% premium for that one game, Its still better than when I would take a $660 bath on 4 tickets as season ticket holder when I couldn't go to game.

no one is asking islanders to make ticket vs very cheap. just hold their ground. If they know fans are waiting to buy cheap tickets at last min, rather than destroying the people that pay up for full season, Islanders should just eat the ticket or give it to their season ticket holder as a Thank you for supporting.
Instead by being greedy and underminding season ticket holders, You just have guys like me and kindlyrick that say, im not doing it anymore.

as for coliseum. the 200 levels seats use to hold their price. The worst price I ever sold my ticket was for about $75 a ticket, Season ticket price was $90 but what the islanders did that was smart was face value on ticket was $120.

Trust me, I have no worry at all not being season ticket holder this year, I will find tickets to every game I want to go to. And if I have to pay 20% premium for that one game, Its still better than when I would take a $660 bath on 4 tickets as season ticket holder when I couldn't go to game.
- Spartiarti

A butt in the seat generates some sort of cash flow where an empty seat doesn't. The idea of offering you a free couple tickets for being a season ticket holder is something that I thought a lot of teams did on occasion. Personally, I don't think it's good business practice for a team to take your seasons worth of money and turn their back on you. Christ, I get thank you poop in the mail from my grocery store thanking me for shopping there! You'd think a pro team would give some form of consideration. I'm guessing they do offer some sort of perks like meet & greets or closed autograph sessions, first priority to give them more money for playoffs. Is that correct?

no one is asking islanders to make ticket vs very cheap. just hold their ground. If they know fans are waiting to buy cheap tickets at last min, rather than destroying the people that pay up for full season, Islanders should just eat the ticket or give it to their season ticket holder as a Thank you for supporting.
Instead by being greedy and underminding season ticket holders, You just have guys like me and kindlyrick that say, im not doing it anymore.

as for coliseum. the 200 levels seats use to hold their price. The worst price I ever sold my ticket was for about $75 a ticket, Season ticket price was $90 but what the islanders did that was smart was face value on ticket was $120.

Trust me, I have no worry at all not being season ticket holder this year, I will find tickets to every game I want to go to. And if I have to pay 20% premium for that one game, Its still better than when I would take a $660 bath on 4 tickets as season ticket holder when I couldn't go to game.
- Spartiarti

Thats why the panthers new owners took over they said enough even if it took time to get fans in with a good team and it seems to have worked. They realized exactly what you said and didnt want to do that to their season tix holders. Hopefully ledecky will see that and stop the practice

Thats why the panthers new owners took over they said enough even if it took time to get fans in with a good team and it seems to have worked. They realized exactly what you said and didnt want to do that to their season tix holders. Hopefully ledecky will see that and stop the practice
- Upstate_isles

I thought that Barclays controls ticket sales. If so, then outside of moving, how would Ledecky go about stopping that practice?

I thought that Barclays controls ticket sales. If so, then outside of moving, how would Ledecky go about stopping that practice?
- Isleshockeyman

Do they? Im not sure, i thought isles got more concessions ect but maybe thats why barclays pays them and controls that stuff. Youre probably right on that, I guess if they could pull off a new building they would get it all i mean parking, concessions, tix, concerts, ect and im sure that would be more than the money barclays pays them and theyd still have cable contract.

Do they? Im not sure, i thought isles got more concessions ect but maybe thats why barclays pays them and controls that stuff. Youre probably right on that, I guess if they could pull off a new building they would get it all i mean parking, concessions, tix, concerts, ect and im sure that would be more than the money barclays pays them and theyd still have cable contract.
- Upstate_isles

Isles get guaranteed money from Barclays, Barclays gets ticket sales, concessions.

Do they? Im not sure, i thought isles got more concessions ect but maybe thats why barclays pays them and controls that stuff. Youre probably right on that, I guess if they could pull off a new building they would get it all i mean parking, concessions, tix, concerts, ect and im sure that would be more than the money barclays pays them and theyd still have cable contract.
- Upstate_isles

Perhaps, but it depends on who's paying for the arena to get built. Like Since 6 stated earlier, are the taxpayers going to approve paying for a $600m arena? If so, then the jurisdiction (Nassau, Queens) is going to want a cut. Would that be parking, concessions, tix, all of it? That's the unknown. They certainly wouldn't want to walk back into a contract like NVMC. If Ledecky/Malkin pay out of pocket for an arena (unlikely), then yes, they'd get to keep all of it making a better return. Lots of discussions to be had. I do believe they'll be out of BC within 4 years. Where to?.........................Who knows.

Isles get guaranteed money from Barclays, Barclays gets ticket sales, concessions.
- Isles_since_6

That's what I thought. Thanks for clarifying. That being the case, then no wonder why they don't care about Isles season ticket holders. Barclays is just trying to put asses in the seats. And if they can make a few bucks doing, then what the hell.

That's what I thought. Thanks for clarifying. That being the case, then no wonder why they don't care about Isles season ticket holders. Barclays is just trying to put asses in the seats. And if they can make a few bucks doing, then what the hell.
- Isleshockeyman

A lot of moving parts but it would be "ideal" if the people who own and seem to care about the team had more of a say on the tix but at least they are still in nyc. I guess we will wait and see what happens

A lot of moving parts but it would be "ideal" if the people who own and seem to care about the team had more of a say on the tix but at least they are still in nyc. I guess we will wait and see what happens
- Upstate_isles

It would be, but everyone has a hand out and wants a piece of the pie. It's sad that it's so political. I know out here, the Coyotes are going to build a new arena closer to the Phoenix money, errr, I mean metro area. I'm sure it's going to get put out there for the taxpayers to build it. Personally I'd vote for it simply because I love hockey. So I'd be willing to pay the extra cent on purchases.

Perhaps, but it depends on who's paying for the arena to get built. Like Since 6 stated earlier, are the taxpayers going to approve paying for a $600m arena? If so, then the jurisdiction (Nassau, Queens) is going to want a cut. Would that be parking, concessions, tix, all of it? That's the unknown. They certainly wouldn't want to walk back into a contract like NVMC. If Ledecky/Malkin pay out of pocket for an arena (unlikely), then yes, they'd get to keep all of it making a better return. Lots of discussions to be had. I do believe they'll be out of BC within 4 years. Where to?.........................Who knows.
- Isleshockeyman

If ledecky and malkin won't pay for the new arena, do you really think that taxpayers will fund it? a new building is going to cost around 500-600 mil as a starting point. Taxpayers voted no to a 100 million dollar renovation of the coliseum to keep the Isles.

If Ledecky and Malkin were willing to pay to build it, how likely do you think it is that it'll get approval? I'm highly skeptical this is going to happen, and the time frame to get a new building approved, funded and built is very short if their window to leave Barclays is 4 years. Plus, I thought I'd read that it has to be a mutual decision between barclays and the isles to make the split.

There's a ton of things that need to be settled very quickly in order for something like this to happen. Could it happen? Sure, anything's possible. I'd love to see it but I wouldn't put money on it happening.

If ledecky and malkin won't pay for the new arena, do you really think that taxpayers will fund it? a new building is going to cost around 500-600 mil as a starting point. Taxpayers voted no to a 100 million dollar renovation of the coliseum to keep the Isles.

If Ledecky and Malkin were willing to pay to build it, how likely do you think it is that it'll get approval? I'm highly skeptical this is going to happen, and the time frame to get a new building approved, funded and built is very short if their window to leave Barclays is 4 years. Plus, I thought I'd read that it has to be a mutual decision between barclays and the isles to make the split.

There's a ton of things that need to be settled very quickly in order for something like this to happen. Could it happen? Sure, anything's possible. I'd love to see it but I wouldn't put money on it happening.
- Isles_since_6

It's definitely nothing like choosing between Arby's & Taco Bell. There are discussions, channels to be followed, votes taken, and a ton of other aspects that go into it. I thought there was an opt out after 5 years.

I thought that Barclays controls ticket sales. If so, then outside of moving, how would Ledecky go about stopping that practice?
- Isleshockeyman

your are correct. but isles get their 50MM guarantee.
Barclays is digging a hole for themselves. So this season instead of having 4 extra tickets in my row, they have 8 b/c I didn't renew. so now tell me, is it worth putting the tickets online. im all for it. will make a move away from Barclays easier.

what they should do is lower the season ticket holder price and then list the tickets for same price. then your season tickets holders remain happy.

Barclays operations are clueless. Same thing happened with Nets. They went and gauged season ticket holders and they all didn't renew.

These guys need a lesson in supply demand. Any successful team should know, Season ticket holders first, then if demand comes into balance, no season ticket holder will ever complain about higher prices if the secondary market dictates it.

But to Hold on to tickets, then flood ticketmaster with cheap tickets 2 days before a game is unacceptable. People look for deals only when they are there, If Barclay showed some discipline they could make it work

The game experience is better than you would think. And yes Barclays gets pretty loud. that was a pleasant surprise for me.

your are correct. but isles get their 50MM guarantee.
Barclays is digging a hole for themselves. So this season instead of having 4 extra tickets in my row, they have 8 b/c I didn't renew. so now tell me, is it worth putting the tickets online. im all for it. will make a move away from Barclays easier.

what they should do is lower the season ticket holder price and then list the tickets for same price. then your season tickets holders remain happy.
- Spartiarti

That's typically what teams do. Offer season tickets at a little bit of a discount to entice buyers. But if they're gouging season ticket buyers and offering single game tickets cheaper, that's kind of backwards. Also not a good way of enticing people to buy season tickets. They end up losing customers like yourself & Rick.

If ledecky and malkin won't pay for the new arena, do you really think that taxpayers will fund it? a new building is going to cost around 500-600 mil as a starting point. Taxpayers voted no to a 100 million dollar renovation of the coliseum to keep the Isles.

If Ledecky and Malkin were willing to pay to build it, how likely do you think it is that it'll get approval? I'm highly skeptical this is going to happen, and the time frame to get a new building approved, funded and built is very short if their window to leave Barclays is 4 years. Plus, I thought I'd read that it has to be a mutual decision between barclays and the isles to make the split.

There's a ton of things that need to be settled very quickly in order for something like this to happen. Could it happen? Sure, anything's possible. I'd love to see it but I wouldn't put money on it happening.
- Isles_since_6

Well that had a lot to do with the way it was sold to the public which had something to do with Wang and a lot to do with Murray.

Barclays operations are clueless. Same thing happened with Nets. They went and gauged season ticket holders and they all didn't renew.

These guys need a lesson in supply demand. Any successful team should know, Season ticket holders first, then if demand comes into balance, no season ticket holder will ever complain about higher prices if the secondary market dictates it.

But to Hold on to tickets, then flood ticketmaster with cheap tickets 2 days before a game is unacceptable. People look for deals only when they are there, If Barclay showed some discipline they could make it work

The game experience is better than you would think. And yes Barclays gets pretty loud. that was a pleasant surprise for me.
- Spartiarti

Heres the panthers article from a few years back
http://sports.yahoo.com/b...ood-reason-214429811.html

Edit this is exactly what the barclays center is doing the difference is they dont really care about the isles or their future fans they just see a bottom line