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CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 20 @ 3:51 PM ET
Does anybody remember the date Corrado went on waivers? I propose that on the anniversary there shall be a British Columbia Day of Mourning to remember the injustice of losing Corrado and to decry the high crimes and misdemeanours of Jim Benning for the felony of poor asset management(trademark pending)
- bazz

flagged for bringing up this dark dark day in Canucks history
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 4:02 PM ET
This is unrelated to Corrado to me, though I do think that the Canucks brass took a lot of heat so they will be more conscious of it in the future.

For me the reason I think they will be more patient with someone like Stecher, is that if he does what Hutton did, where can you slot him? He has to beat out one of the top 6 to not be a pressbox player like they didnt want Corrado to be. So one of Edler, Tanev, Gudbranson, Hutton, Sbisa, Tryamkin are too valuable to lose for nothing and thus I see Stecher (in this example) still going to Utica until they can clear room for him should he pull the miracle

- WhiteLie


I realize now that I thought you were suggesting that they would send Hutton down if Stecher made it....my mistake.

Again a a massive if, but if Stecher does make it, it would mean that Sbisa or Tryamkin would be press box guys not waived. Biega and Pedan would still be the guys going down.




Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 20 @ 4:04 PM ET

Probably a dumb question (welcome to the internet, yes), but does it preclude Juolevi from attending training camp if he's not signed? (I'm thinking that it would not, given that there are other camp invitees who are not signed but nonetheless attend?) also, in terms of contract structure, can a contract be amended to include certain other stipulations, in particular bonuses which the team (at the time of the signing ) did not agree to include but were then reconsidered?
SuitcaseSmith
Vancouver Canucks
Location: North Vancouver, BC
Joined: 10.05.2014

Jul 20 @ 4:05 PM ET
@manvanfan - Probably subtract Anton Cederholm from your list... It is unlikely that Anton will be in Utica this fall as he is rumoured to be loaned to Rogle of the SHL Swedish League.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 4:10 PM ET
Probably a dumb question (welcome to the internet, yes), but does it preclude Juolevi from attending training camp if he's not signed? (I'm thinking that it would not, given that there are other camp invitees who are not signed but nonetheless attend?) also, in terms of contract structure, can a contract be amended to include certain other stipulations, in particular bonuses which the team (at the time of the signing ) did not agree to include but were then reconsidered?
- Zogg


A player needs to of signed at the very least a PTO, I believe. I'm sure it comes down to liability and insurance more than anything.

I don't believe contracts can be amended.

11.10 No Renegotiation. In no event shall a Club and a Player negotiate a change in any terms of a Player SPC for the then-current season or for any remaining season of an SPC. This provision shall not prohibit a Player and Club from negotiating an extension to an existing SPC in accordance with the terms of Section 50.5(f) hereof or from negotiating a new or reformed SPC or Offer Sheet in the limited context and time-frame expressly set forth in Section 11.6(a)(vi) above.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jul 20 @ 4:32 PM ET
Salary Arbitration numbers New York Rangers/ Chris Kreider. Club offer $3.2M / Player asking $4.75M #NHL #NYR

If they can't come to terms. Trade for him JB.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

Jul 20 @ 4:36 PM ET
Salary Arbitration numbers New York Rangers/ Chris Kreider. Club offer $3.2M / Player asking $4.75M #NHL #NYR

If they can't come to terms. Trade for him JB.

- Retinalz

Sbisa for Kreider.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 4:46 PM ET
Sbisa for Kreider.
- kaptaan


Is he more or less valuable than Tanev....Sbisa that is
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 4:49 PM ET
Anybody else find this hilarious....

NHL Dismisses arbitrator who reduced Wideman's suspension.


The NHL has dismissed James Oldham, the neutral arbitrator who ruled to reduce Calgary Flames defender Dennis Wideman's suspension for cross-checking official Don Henderson, reports Liz Mullen on the Sports Business Journal.

Though in itself, the NHL having jurisdiction over who delivers third-party decisions drips with irony, it underscores both the power the league wields and its desire to protect officials.

Wideman served nearly the length of the initial 20-game suspension before Oldham's decision was rendered, though he was able to recoup losses. The league then responded by launching a legal suit against the Players' Association in protest of the ruling.

The NHL stated in June that Oldham "exceeded his contractual authority" in slashing Wideman's suspension in half.

Rocket_Launcher
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 06.10.2016

Jul 20 @ 5:57 PM ET
Salary Arbitration numbers New York Rangers/ Chris Kreider. Club offer $3.2M / Player asking $4.75M #NHL #NYR

If they can't come to terms. Trade for him JB.

- Retinalz


You can probably get Kreider for Sbisa and a prospect/pick, but I think you will have to take one of their grossly over-paid and over-termed d-man (Girard, Kline, etc..). I think JV is just as talented as Kreider but a lot more physical.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 20 @ 5:59 PM ET
Anybody else find this hilarious....

NHL Dismisses arbitrator who reduced Wideman's suspension.

- belcherbd



I think it's great and I rarely agree with the league. But yes, it's amusing as well
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jul 20 @ 6:02 PM ET
You can probably get Kreider for Sbisa and a prospect/pick, but I think you will have to take one of their grossly over-paid and over-termed d-man (Girard, Kline, etc..). I think JV is just as talented as Kreider but a lot more physical.
- Rocket_Launcher

I would take Kline. Has only 2 years left and could probably be sent to a team like the Oilers for nothing.
Rocket_Launcher
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 06.10.2016

Jul 20 @ 6:08 PM ET
I would take Kline. Has only 2 years left and could probably be sent to a team like the Oilers for nothing.
- Retinalz

If Devils can get Hall for Larsson, we should be able to get Draisaitl for Kline. I literally giggled myself to sleep thinking of that Hall trade.
Nznuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland
Joined: 07.20.2016

Jul 20 @ 6:08 PM ET
After reading th blog for a few years I today finally signed up to post about being sick of hearing about Frank Corrado.

Anyone who claims it was poor asset management by JB obviously never watched him play. He is average at best, a career AHLer and the only reason he was on anyones radar for the Canucks is because he was called up for the playoffs (in which we were swept).

Even the leafs scratched him for the first 10 games, claiming his strength was lacking and he's bottom of the depth chart.

Please give it a rest about Corrado, we didn't need him, and we let him go to his home town which according to him was a dream come true (even though they don't need him either).
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 6:09 PM ET
I think it's great and I rarely agree with the league. But yes, it's amusing as well
- CanuckDon


Boggles my mind that a so called "independent" arbitrator can be fired by the league.
bazz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 20 @ 6:13 PM ET
I think it's great and I rarely agree with the league. But yes, it's amusing as well
- CanuckDon


Bettman learning tricks from Turkey's Erdogan.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 20 @ 6:17 PM ET
Boggles my mind that a so called "independent" arbitrator can be fired by the league.
- belcherbd

It certainly boggles the mind...but in this case Bettman was right. Weidman deserved 20 games. Also, I made two flats of beer as I bet the suspension would be over 15 games.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 20 @ 6:18 PM ET
After reading th blog for a few years I today finally signed up to post about being sick of hearing about Frank Corrado.

Anyone who claims it was poor asset management by JB obviously never watched him play. He is average at best, a career AHLer and the only reason he was on anyones radar for the Canucks is because he was called up for the playoffs (in which we were swept).

Even the leafs scratched him for the first 10 games, claiming his strength was lacking and he's bottom of the depth chart.

Please give it a rest about Corrado, we didn't need him, and we let him go to his home town which according to him was a dream come true (even though they don't need him either).

- Nznuck

two NZ Canucks fans now
bazz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ON
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jul 20 @ 6:18 PM ET
After reading th blog for a few years I today finally signed up to post about being sick of hearing about Frank Corrado.

Anyone who claims it was poor asset management by JB obviously never watched him play. He is average at best, a career AHLer and the only reason he was on anyones radar for the Canucks is because he was called up for the playoffs (in which we were swept).

Even the leafs scratched him for the first 10 games, claiming his strength was lacking and he's bottom of the depth chart.

Please give it a rest about Corrado, we didn't need him, and we let him go to his home town which according to him was a dream come true (even though they don't need him either).

- Nznuck


Welcome aboard and I take it you won't be supporting the Corrado Day of Mourning and condemnation of Benning Asset Management (copyright pending)?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 20 @ 6:18 PM ET
After reading th blog for a few years I today finally signed up to post about being sick of hearing about Frank Corrado.

Anyone who claims it was poor asset management by JB obviously never watched him play. He is average at best, a career AHLer and the only reason he was on anyones radar for the Canucks is because he was called up for the playoffs (in which we were swept).

Even the leafs scratched him for the first 10 games, claiming his strength was lacking and he's bottom of the depth chart.

Please give it a rest about Corrado, we didn't need him, and we let him go to his home town which according to him was a dream come true (even though they don't need him either).

- Nznuck


What am I to do with my Corrado home and away jerseys?
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jul 20 @ 6:19 PM ET
Boggles my mind that a so called "independent" arbitrator can be fired by the league.
- belcherbd

How so? The league can choose not to use any independent arbitrators if they don't want to pay them. The reason they are "independent" is so that the league or players can't claim that the ruling wasn't fair.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 20 @ 6:20 PM ET
two NZ Canucks fans now
- CanuckDon

DBots son?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jul 20 @ 6:21 PM ET
How so? The league can choose not to use any independent arbitrators if they don't want to pay them. The reason they are "independent" is so that the league or players can't claim that the ruling wasn't fair.
- Retinalz

If they were truly independent could the NHL fire them?
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 6:22 PM ET
After reading th blog for a few years I today finally signed up to post about being sick of hearing about Frank Corrado.

Anyone who claims it was poor asset management by JB obviously never watched him play. He is average at best, a career AHLer and the only reason he was on anyones radar for the Canucks is because he was called up for the playoffs (in which we were swept).

Even the leafs scratched him for the first 10 games, claiming his strength was lacking and he's bottom of the depth chart.

Please give it a rest about Corrado, we didn't need him, and we let him go to his home town which according to him was a dream come true (even though they don't need him either).

- Nznuck


Welcome Nznuck, if you've been reading the blog for a few years you know that hysteria rules any perceived wrong doing by Benning, if he is wrong we hear about, if he is right we hear about how he is wrong.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 6:23 PM ET
How so? The league can choose not to use any independent arbitrators if they don't want to pay them. The reason they are "independent" is so that the league or players can't claim that the ruling wasn't fair.
- Retinalz


How do you think the next arbitrator will feel going into its next decision?

Will I lose my job if I disagree with the leagues ruling?

I didn't agree with the arbitrators decision but firing him because of that negates that idea of independence.
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