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mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 20 @ 2:59 PM ET
Lesser Matt will be less than pleased
- rangerdanger94


And for the record if he hits 30 goals I will be very pleased. Lets see how he plays after the contract.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jul 20 @ 3:06 PM ET
Don't mess with me fellas
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:11 PM ET
Per Larry Brooks' column in the NY Post today:
"The parties are in ongoing negotiations concerning a four- or five-year deal that would buy out No. 20’s first two or three years of unrestricted free agency. It is believed the Rangers are offering in the neighborhood of $4.75 million per with Kreider seeking approximately $5.25 million per." Split the difference and get it done? Sounds to be in line with what I had predicted.

- airjan23


If that really is the difference, it's just a matter of time. Both side might just be waiting until the last minute to see if the other blinks. I would bet that if it is not a splitting of the difference, the deal will be closer to the Rangers number.

Edit: Maybe try to buy a 6th year at $5 million.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 20 @ 3:14 PM ET
tpc on the other hand


- NYRangers1124

would
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 20 @ 3:20 PM ET
would
- eichiefs9

have
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Jul 20 @ 3:27 PM ET
have
- rangerdanger94

waiting on medicals
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 20 @ 3:27 PM ET
Per Larry Brooks' column in the NY Post today:
"The parties are in ongoing negotiations concerning a four- or five-year deal that would buy out No. 20’s first two or three years of unrestricted free agency. It is believed the Rangers are offering in the neighborhood of $4.75 million per with Kreider seeking approximately $5.25 million per." Split the difference and get it done? Sounds to be in line with what I had predicted.

- airjan23

Brooks is again writing we got $10.325 in cap space, while generalfanager says $10.650. Can't see who NYR owe 325k in bonuses...?
mrn22
New York Rangers
Location: CT
Joined: 05.22.2014

Jul 20 @ 3:27 PM ET
5 years 25 million, just get it done
- jimbro83


JIMBO

would
NYRangers1124
New York Rangers
Location: Hoboken, NJ
Joined: 07.24.2008

Jul 20 @ 3:28 PM ET
would
- eichiefs9

x10000
Bromancer
Joined: 03.17.2011

Jul 20 @ 3:36 PM ET
I just don't get all the Kreider love. I'm tired of waiting on all the "potential". What you see is what you get -- a 20 goal scorer, with as many assists. He's got the north/south speed, and a hard, if not accurate, snap/wrist shot -- but that's it. No defense, no play-making, no hockey sense, bad in the corners, and he's nowhere near as difficult to play against as someone with his size and strength should be. Get the best return you can for him, and use the savings to fill other big needs. I'll eat my words if he becomes an elite power forward, but I'm not seeing it.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 20 @ 3:46 PM ET
Brooks is again writing we got $10.325 in cap space, while generalfanager says $10.650. Can't see who NYR owe 325k in bonuses...?
- 21peter

Brooks probably assumes Buchnevich makes the team and one of Jooris or Gerbe doesn't.
way out west
Joined: 12.30.2008

Jul 20 @ 3:48 PM ET
when is hayes' hearing date?
- NYRangers1124

At 4-20
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 20 @ 3:49 PM ET
Brooks probably assumes Buchnevich makes the team and one of Jooris or Gerbe doesn't.
- rangerdanger94

Gerbe making the team will be a tall order.

This was a height joke.

Brought to you, in part, by:

eichiefs9
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

Jul 20 @ 3:50 PM ET
I just don't get all the Kreider love. I'm tired of waiting on all the "potential". What you see is what you get -- a 20 goal scorer, with as many assists. He's got the north/south speed, and a hard, if not accurate, snap/wrist shot -- but that's it. No defense, no play-making, no hockey sense, bad in the corners, and he's nowhere near as difficult to play against as someone with his size and strength should be. Get the best return you can for him, and use the savings to fill other big needs. I'll eat my words if he becomes an elite power forward, but I'm not seeing it.
- Bromancer

He is probably, unless someone can think of another person, the only player in the league with his size strength and speed combined. I think 25 a year can be his average and he's already top 10 in Rangers history for playoff goals.
What other big needs do we have??
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 20 @ 3:53 PM ET
Brooks probably assumes Buchnevich makes the team and one of Jooris or Gerbe doesn't.
- rangerdanger94


You're a (frank)ing genius RD

I was deep into this now without seeing the obvious
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 20 @ 3:58 PM ET
I just don't get all the Kreider love. I'm tired of waiting on all the "potential". What you see is what you get -- a 20 goal scorer, with as many assists. He's got the north/south speed, and a hard, if not accurate, snap/wrist shot -- but that's it. No defense, no play-making, no hockey sense, bad in the corners, and he's nowhere near as difficult to play against as someone with his size and strength should be. Get the best return you can for him, and use the savings to fill other big needs. I'll eat my words if he becomes an elite power forward, but I'm not seeing it.
- Bromancer

I mean there's nothing wrong with a 20 goal scorer. I like them very much.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 20 @ 3:58 PM ET
You're a (frank)ing genius RD

I was deep into this now without seeing the obvious

- 21peter

It's why I promoted myself to head of European scouting and you're unemployed
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 3:59 PM ET
Gerbe making the team will be a tall order.

This was a height joke.

Brought to you, in part, by:

eichiefs9

- eichiefs9


Poor guy always get the short end of the stick.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jul 20 @ 4:01 PM ET
Poor guy always get the short end of the stick.
- Pete V

His NHL career has just come up a little short so far.
Pete V
New York Rangers
Location: Troy, MI
Joined: 05.16.2007

Jul 20 @ 4:03 PM ET
I just don't get all the Kreider love. I'm tired of waiting on all the "potential". What you see is what you get -- a 20 goal scorer, with as many assists. He's got the north/south speed, and a hard, if not accurate, snap/wrist shot -- but that's it. No defense, no play-making, no hockey sense, bad in the corners, and he's nowhere near as difficult to play against as someone with his size and strength should be. Get the best return you can for him, and use the savings to fill other big needs. I'll eat my words if he becomes an elite power forward, but I'm not seeing it.
- Bromancer


I actually think that is damn accurate assessment. My only quibble would be this. I think he is capable of getting marginally better. I think he can score in the mid to high 20s, and if he can push his numbers up toward the 28 goal/55-60 point range, I think a long term deal in the high 4s wouldn't be that bad. But, he also isn't the type of guy that I would consider untouchable in a trade.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 20 @ 4:06 PM ET
I actually think that is damn accurate assessment. My only quibble would be this. I think he is capable of getting marginally better. I think he can score in the mid to high 20s, and if he can push his numbers up toward the 28 goal/55-60 point range, I think a long term deal in the high 4s wouldn't be that bad. But, he also isn't the type of guy that I would consider untouchable in a trade.
- Pete V


My issue is the money not the player. Anyone who wouldn't trade Kreider for Schwartz straight up should not watch hockey, and thats the kind of deal they are talking about.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Jul 20 @ 4:06 PM ET
Brad Richards announces his retirement http://dlvr.it/LrM0ff
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 20 @ 4:07 PM ET
It's why I promoted myself to head of European scouting and you're unemployed
- rangerdanger94

mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Jul 20 @ 4:08 PM ET
Brad Richards announces his retirement http://dlvr.it/LrM0ff
- jimbro83


Faith No More is thrilled
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Jul 20 @ 4:09 PM ET
Brad Richards announces his retirement http://dlvr.it/LrM0ff
- jimbro83

Can afford it. Will get $5M from NYR next season
And $1M a year the next 9...
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