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TRDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toms River, NJ
Joined: 04.04.2014

Jul 3 @ 12:35 PM ET
Duh!!
- James_Tanner


LOL - You okay there chief?
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:37 PM ET
This quote right here should be followed up by HockeyBuzz asking this clown of a blogger to resign his position as frolicking jester in the carnival of clowns. His desire to bash the Blackhawks has taken him to levels even I couldn't have imagined. The Hawks have LOTS to be "minus'ed" for, but dumping Rundblad isn't one of them.

And by the way, he WAS put on waivers last freaking year and NOT ONE single team (including your Coyotes) claimed him. James Tanner > ALL NHL Gms...I think not.


- kwolf68



Why do you think I hate the Hawks? Are you so sensitive about anyone saying anything about your team that the fact I don't like they dumped an underrated bottom of the roster player makes you go insane?

Because the ratio of reaction to comment here isn't healthy.
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:38 PM ET
Good stuff James

1) you think Steve Simmons is "the most influential hockey writer in the world" and yet you think he's only right 2% of the time? Come on man, those two things don't' add up.

2) You added Subban to a list of players that already included himself, how is that possible?

3) Jim Benning is far > than John Chayka….Canucks will finish ahead of the Yotes and be better for years to come
EklundRocks
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 08.16.2011

Jul 3 @ 12:39 PM ET
Some would say the best. But your opinion is valid. Let's just hug it out.
- James_Tanner



Ummm, you don't get a vote in this! But I would gladly hug it out with you!
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 3 @ 12:39 PM ET
I like the Martin deal, actually. But Polak indicates the Leafs still have some antiquated views that I thought they had gotten over. Personally, I hear you- it's one year and he probably gets you a 4th round pick in March, no big deal.
- James_Tanner

I think you are always going to see these types signed to young teams.

You don't need the Cal Clutterbucks and Zac Rinaldo's taking runs at Matthews/Nylander/Marner.

Regardless of whether Martin or Polak actually effect that, it's still a mindset the NHL has
Njuice
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:40 PM ET
I'd give him a max contract and see if TB could match it. They couldn't. Taylor Hall and Alex Ovechkin. That's my list of wingers I'd rather have next season than Kucherov.
- James_Tanner


You would say that you would give him $14+ million. It's a great way to troll. Already working...as evidenced by my reply.
devils_mike
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 09.30.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:41 PM ET
I don't disagree with you (unless of course Subban was truly detrimental in the locker room). But, I think that's really, really hard to know unless you are truly part of the organization.

Do you have a link to the original article? I'd be interested to read the original as well as your take.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:41 PM ET

Minus

James tanner being the worst blogger on here.


Even with as lax as this site is , how do you even get a platform .

Runsbad might be the worst Blackhawk in the past 10 years. 100% the worst trade Bowman has ever made.

Something is wrong with you.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:42 PM ET
LOL - You okay there chief?
- TRDevil


Yes computer went briefly insane.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:43 PM ET
Good stuff James

1) you think Steve Simmons is "the most influential hockey writer in the world" and yet you think he's only right 2% of the time? Come on man, those two things don't' add up.

2) You added Subban to a list of players that already included himself, how is that possible?

3) Jim Benning is far > than John Chayka….Canucks will finish ahead of the Yotes and be better for years to come

- LeftCoaster


1) They don't but facts are facts.

2) I'm Confused.

3) Tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:43 PM ET
I think you are always going to see these types signed to young teams.

You don't need the Cal Clutterbucks and Zac Rinaldo's taking runs at Matthews/Nylander/Marner.

Regardless of whether Martin or Polak actually effect that, it's still a mindset the NHL has

- sbroads24


You're very wise. I agree.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:44 PM ET
You would say that you would give him $14+ million. It's a great way to troll. Already working...as evidenced by my reply.
- Njuice


I think a max deal is way less than that.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:44 PM ET
I don't disagree with you (unless of course Subban was truly detrimental in the locker room). But, I think that's really, really hard to know unless you are truly part of the organization.

Do you have a link to the original article? I'd be interested to read the original as well as your take.

- devils_mike


Its on Toronto Sun dot com
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:45 PM ET
Minus

James tanner being the worst blogger on here.


Even with as lax as this site is , how do you even get a platform .

Runsbad might be the worst Blackhawk in the past 10 years. 100% the worst trade Bowman has ever made.

Something is wrong with you.

- mrpaulish



You might think I'm the worst, but the opinion of someone who thinks a site should only print people that he 100% agrees with at all times is not valid.
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:47 PM ET
Why do you think I hate the Hawks? Are you so sensitive about anyone saying anything about your team that the fact I don't like they dumped an underrated bottom of the roster player makes you go insane?

Because the ratio of reaction to comment here isn't healthy.

- James_Tanner

He's a hawk fan they are easily one of the most offended fan bases in all of sports when something negative is said about their team.
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:47 PM ET
1) They don't but facts are facts.

2) I'm Confused.

3) Tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night.

- James_Tanner


Re: #2…."Adding P.K to a team that includes Elias, Ekholm, Subban and Josi is the best in the league and it isn't even debatable."

Re: #3….just look at the kids Benning has drafted in the past three years, his clear deficiencies in running a club is falling right into his own hands as he's a pure drafting genius!! Chayka has no track record, therefore, Benning far greater than Chayka!
habfanforever
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jul 3 @ 12:48 PM ET
A little overblown don't you think? The Subban trade is a win for Nashville but not by the landslide you seem to want to make people think. I see it as a fairly even trade in the first 3-4 years then will swing Nashville's way. Was PK a problem in the room? Who knows but if he was then its also addition by subtraction.

The Hall trade on the other hand
FLflames34
Calgary Flames
Location: ., HI
Joined: 02.26.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:50 PM ET
Re: #2…."Adding P.K to a team that includes Elias, Ekholm, Subban and Josi is the best in the league and it isn't even debatable."

Re: #3….just look at the kids Benning has drafted in the past three years, his clear deficiencies in running a club is falling right into his own hands as he's a pure drafting genius!! Chayka has no track record, therefore, Benning far greater than Chayka!

- LeftCoaster

Nucks are the new dumpster fire of the division. Virtanen does not look impressive. Loui is 32, twins are old and are going to be re-signed to anchor contracts so all 3 can decline together. Miller is not even a top 15 goalie anymore.

Maybe they should actually rebuild, instead of going for 9th place?
Njuice
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.21.2013

Jul 3 @ 12:50 PM ET
I think a max deal is way less than that.
- James_Tanner


Max deal - I believe is 20% of the salary cap. You are using 'max deal' in the same way that the mainstream media misuses it. Shame. Shame. Shame.(GoT styles)

I think nobody will ever get a max contract because...20% of the cap.... Not even when McDavid signs his inevitable offer sheet to get out of Edmonton(troll comment...he's not coming to TO in reality)... Even McD will only sign for $12mil in Edmonton which is still not close to a max contract.
shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

Jul 3 @ 12:54 PM ET
He's a hawk fan they are easily one of the most offended fan bases in all of sports when something negative is said about their team.
- KINGS67

Yeah J.J. tells them exactly what they want to hear and they tell him what a great blogger he is.
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:54 PM ET
Nucks are the new dumpster fire of the division. Virtanen does not look impressive. Loui is 32, twins are old and are going to be re-signed to anchor contracts so all 3 can decline together. Miller is not even a top 15 goalie anymore.

Maybe they should actually rebuild, instead of going for 9th place?

- FLflames34

Well if you're gonna respond at least get your facts straight, Loui is 30 not 32, he turns 31 July 17th, 2016.

Secondly, Virtanen looks awesome for a 19 year old kid, he drives possession, he's a big body with a scoring touch….I have no idea what you're basing your uneducated opinion on.

Go ahead James, give the guy Virtanen's possession numbers

Canucks are doing exactly what LA and Chicago did as far as "building" they don't need to sell the whole farm to build a winner. LA and Chicago had a few good picks and they were off to the races.
FLflames34
Calgary Flames
Location: ., HI
Joined: 02.26.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:54 PM ET
Max deal - I believe is 20% of the salary cap. You are using 'max deal' in the same way that the mainstream media misuses it. Shame. Shame. Shame.(GoT styles)

I think nobody will ever get a max contract because...20% of the cap.... Not even when McDavid signs his inevitable offer sheet to get out of Edmonton(troll comment...he's not coming to TO in reality)... Even McD will only sign for $12mil in Edmonton which is still not close to a max contract.

- Njuice

I think it is funny Mozgov got 4 yrs 64 m and by all accounts is a terrible basketball player
FLflames34
Calgary Flames
Location: ., HI
Joined: 02.26.2010

Jul 3 @ 12:55 PM ET
Well if you're gonna respond at least get your facts straight, Loui is 30 not 32, he turns 31 July 17th, 2016.

Secondly, Virtanen looks awesome for a 19 year old kid, he drives possession, he's a big body with a scoring touch….I have no idea what you're basing your uneducated opinion on.

Go ahead James, give the guy Virtanen's possession numbers

- LeftCoaster

He is injured so much I just assumed he was an old.

Can I have my Virtanen HERO chart please?
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Jul 3 @ 12:56 PM ET
He is injured so much I just assumed he was an old.

Can I have my Virtanen HERO chart please?

- FLflames34

I think he played 82 games last year and 81 the year before

Canucks are doing exactly what LA and Chicago did as far as "building" they don't need to sell the whole farm to build a winner. LA and Chicago had a few good picks and they were off to the races.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 3 @ 1:01 PM ET
James,

Open your mind here for a moment. Because I think this is where analytics shows you something that is simply not grounded in reality.

David Rundblad is not underrated. He is not overrated. To anyone who has watched him play, being given numerous second third and fourth chances in numerous organizations, he is just awful.

Rundblad is actually, meh, ok coming up the ice—albeit about as fast as a glacier. But he can pass the puck. And he can definitely fire it.

But that's where it ends.

He is horrible defending over 200 feet of ice, because he is so slow, and he is completely non-competitive.

When a power forward like a Ladd, or a Benn, or even a Doan sees him with the puck below the circles, it's like a shark attracted to blood. He will cough up the puck and give up on the play, often leading to goals, because he has the heart of a dog.

And this, while it shows up on the scoresheet as just a turnover and/or a goal against has a huge and bad psychological effect on the entire team.

So yeah, I heard all the pushback the last couple of years, "but he's +11, he has positive possession numbers."

To which I would reply, take a look at his zone starts, and who he's playing with, which was often Duncan Keith. because he needed sheltering big time.

Rundblad is, if anything, overrated by those who point to slices of analytics as proof he's anything more than an AHL-version of Sheldon Souray, Cam Barker or Andy Delmore.

Meaning, if you can dress a guy to just play the point on the power play, in that regard, he's a worthwhile player. But that is a big "if," and typically not a luxury a team can afford these days.

Otherwise, he blows.

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