Not true JR just didn't want to ship him out.
- Victoro311

For what was being offered.

For what was being offered.
- sammy87

Yeah cus he wanted the 6th overall...

McLellan left San Jose and less than a year later they're playing for the cup. Todd didnt improve one thing on the Oilers, they still stunk and they added Draisaitl and McDavid!

Maybe call a spade a spade when talking about the coaching staff Edmonton has employed.
- stackthepads

Excuses ... excuses ... you sound like an Edmonton fan more than anything. UMMM ... you don't think Edmonton would have won more games id McDavid played the entire season?

Excuses ... excuses ... you sound like an Edmonton fan more than anything. UMMM ... you don't think Edmonton would have won more games id McDavid played the entire season?
- Oneonta Penguin

They have a large amount of top 5 picks and talent... needing McDavid to have a winning season is just sad. They should have already turned that team around.

Todd Mclellan isn't an idiot. So Mclellan missed him too? Again, call a spade a spade and say some of this is on Yuk.

It's pretty simple our GM doesn't want to create room,hence keeping Fleury. I assume you are on the train of shipping out Fehr, which would be a gross mistake. I know what I get with Fehr. No one knows what they get with Yuk.
- Oneonta Penguin

Well McClellan miss used Schultz....

Yeah cus he wanted the 6th overall...
- Victoro311

You do realize you can't take internet rumors as facts. I don't believe anyone can even directly comment on trade discussions without facing potential tampering charges.

Not really when GMJR is reluctant to move Fleury. Moving Kunitz isn't too smart given our depth at LW. Fehr plays an important role here that Yakupov would not replace. We don't have the defensive depth to move Cole.
- Victoro311

For the record we don't have actually evidence Rutherford had a deal he could have taken on Fleury. We don't know that he got greedy. Fleury may have blocked a calgary trade. Or Calgary may have targeted Elliot all along. Rutherford could get a deal done with Ottawa or Dallas (if fleury would accept either), but both would offer little in cap gain as we would have to take back a goalie. Gaining cap space is the best thing in the deal so I wouldn't force a trade in those directions until right before the expansion draft when you need a goalie with a NMC.

If we end up buying out a goalie my money is on Niemi. Acquire him for Fleury and hope Vegas selects him. If not buyout. Fleury won't get bought out.

I'm anti-trading Fehr. But I don't see Rutherford trading Kunitz and if we need cap he's the only way to go.

As of right now we can offer one guy about $2.2-2.5 and any other signing at vet minimums.

Could you guys imagine okposo on malkins line? Jesus

They have a large amount of top 5 picks and talent... needing McDavid to have a winning season is just sad. They should have already turned that team around.
- Guile

A lot of those picks didn't turn out quite like they thought. Mcdavid is the biggest part of their team. It's like us losing Crosby.

A lot of those picks didn't turn out quite like they thought. Mcdavid is the biggest part of their team. It's like us losing Crosby.
- rbaurle51

Hmmm... no, not really. Flower, then Malkin, then Sid. Those were our 3 top picks in consecutive years. Flower we traded up for and then with Malkin coming into the league after Crosby.

Only other top pick, was Ryan Whitney, our one "miss" of a pick. But the team turned around on the Crosby year... with only Flower and Ryan on the roster.


Since 2010, Edmonton had 5 top 5 picks, including 4 #1s. Its far from unreasonable to think that team should have been turned around before McDavid.

Hmmm... no, not really. Flower, then Malkin, then Sid. Those were our 3 top picks in consecutive years. Flower we traded up for and then with Malkin coming into the league after Crosby.

Only other top pick, was Ryan Whitney, our one "miss" of a pick. But the team turned around on the Crosby year... with only Flower and Ryan on the roster.


Since 2010, Edmonton had 5 top 5 picks, including 4 #1s. Its far from unreasonable to think that team should have been turned around before McDavid.
- Guile

One of their non-top 5 picks was Jordan Eberle as well.

Hmmm... no, not really. Flower, then Malkin, then Sid. Those were our 3 top picks in consecutive years. Flower we traded up for and then with Malkin coming into the league after Crosby.

Only other top pick, was Ryan Whitney, our one "miss" of a pick. But the team turned around on the Crosby year... with only Flower and Ryan on the roster.


Since 2010, Edmonton had 5 top 5 picks, including 4 #1s. Its far from unreasonable to think that team should have been turned around before McDavid.
- Guile

they have picked top 10 ever since the 2007 draft. also have had 7 coaches since 2007.
only time they didn't pick top was 2008 when they picked eberle at 22.
they havn't been in the playoffs since 2006 either

One of their non-top 5 picks was Jordan Eberle as well.
- Victoro311

Not going to count him for their favor, its a late first round pick that they scouted well on, just as I did not count Orpic at 18 for us.

they have picked top 10 ever since the 2007 draft. also have had 7 coaches since 2007.
only time they didn't pick top was 2008 when they picked eberle at 22.
they havn't been in the playoffs since 2006 either
- martox

They simply have been drafting too high for too long to have "needed" McDavid to get a winning season.

All we heard about was how the Pens had 4 really high picks, they landed MAF, Sid, Geno and Staal. Could you imagine if the Pens missed the playoffs the first 5 years they were all together? Then throw in that they had a new coach each season, it would be a disaster. It almost happen because of HCMJ this past year, and it was 100% on him. I know Crosby takes blame, but we all know the real reason. The fact that the Oilers havent even sniffed the playoffs with all these high picks is crazy. The coaching has been just as awful. You see when players leave the Oil, they go on to become solid players, that should tell you everything you need to know. I would have no issue with taking a chance on Yak, its one year at 2.5 mil...I would not care if it cost Kunitz. I would rather keep Fehr over him. I think Kunitz is the most expendable contract the Pens have, next to MAF.

Yakupov was actually dynamite with Pouliot and McDavid... no injury to McDavid and they all have fantastic years. It's clear Yakupov has trouble on a checking role... which is retarded to pin on him. He's a top 6 player. Can a player have trouble with two coaches.... I dunno sure. Look at Perron, fizzled in Edmonton, in Pitt, the guy was money in Anaheim. He never got a chance with Sullivan, not like I'm complaining with hagelins results. Yakupov would be a great fit with Sid or Malkin. Make it happen JR. Or don't.... the team is in good shape. The defense needs a little padding more than anything.

Yakupov was actually dynamite with Pouliot and McDavid... no injury to McDavid and they all have fantastic years. It's clear Yakupov has trouble on a checking role... which is retarded to pin on him. He's a top 6 player. Can a player have trouble with two coaches.... I dunno sure. Look at Perron, fizzled in Edmonton, in Pitt, the guy was money in Anaheim. He never got a chance with Sullivan, not like I'm complaining with hagelins results. Yakupov would be a great fit with Sid or Malkin. Make it happen JR. Or don't.... the team is in good shape. The defense needs a little padding more than anything.
- nelson911

I agree with pretty much everything in this post minus the Perron thing. Perron had a money start to his career but now has a track record of only being good immediately after a trade. I'd wait a year before declaring Perron is a really good hockey player.

But yes, I am pro acquiring Yakupov if it's for peanuts and we can fit it under the cap without ignoring defense which is our biggest need. That seems like kind of a tall order, though.

I agree with pretty much everything in this post minus the Perron thing. Perron had a money start to his career but now has a track record of only being good immediately after a trade. I'd wait a year before declaring Perron is a really good hockey player.

But yes, I am pro acquiring Yakupov if it's for peanuts and we can fit it under the cap without ignoring defense which is our biggest need. That seems like kind of a tall order, though.
- Victoro311

Since the draft came and went...what do you think Edm would want from us for Yak?

I agree with pretty much everything in this post minus the Perron thing. Perron had a money start to his career but now has a track record of only being good immediately after a trade. I'd wait a year before declaring Perron is a really good hockey player.

But yes, I am pro acquiring Yakupov if it's for peanuts and we can fit it under the cap without ignoring defense which is our biggest need. That seems like kind of a tall order, though.
- Victoro311

Oh I wasn't saying he was a really good hockey player. He just responded really for the half year on Anaheim. I was just providing the example that not every player will respond to one or two coaches. Sometimes it takes a bit more.

Since the draft came and went...what do you think Edm would want from us for Yak?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

2nd and a 3rd is about where they are right now. With possibly a bit retained.

Since the draft came and went...what do you think Edm would want from us for Yak?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I'd expect they would want something like Sheary and a mid level prospect or just Rust.

Wonder if the Pens will put in an offer on Brett Connolly or Nishkushkin? BC might be cheap, Nish not as much but a possible top 6-9 forward.

2nd and a 3rd is about where they are right now. With possibly a bit retained.
- Guile

shouldve moved the third they got from bennett with the second

I agree with pretty much everything in this post minus the Perron thing. Perron had a money start to his career but now has a track record of only being good immediately after a trade. I'd wait a year before declaring Perron is a really good hockey player.

But yes, I am pro acquiring Yakupov if it's for peanuts and we can fit it under the cap without ignoring defense which is our biggest need. That seems like kind of a tall order, though.
- Victoro311

Which defenceman are you looking to upgrade?

Letang Dumo
Maata Daley
Cole Pouliot

Where is the need? A depth 7 dman isn't a tall order at all. Sign Bartowski for 800K, he fits what we are looking for, fast, can skate the puck out of the zone, ok puck mover, decent shot.

I never saw a game in the playoffs where I thought our defence was an issue. I didnt really see any issue, so what I am looking for is a way to push us over the top. Another top 6 threat does that, I want opposing coaches having seizures on the bench trying to figure out how to match up against our top 9.

I'd expect they would want something like Sheary and a mid level prospect or just Rust.

Wonder if the Pens will put in an offer on Brett Connolly or Nishkushkin? BC might be cheap, Nish not as much but a possible top 6-9 forward.
- MacPatty

sounds strange to value him that high, but i dont think id give them rust. i want to take a flier on yakupov, but its not worth moving out guys that were key components on cheap deals. no, i dont think rust will ever score at that rate he did in the three game span in the playoffs, but its not out of the question to think he could become a 15 goal guy. he can play up and down the lineup, can fly, and works his balls off. he is homegrown and embodies everything that made the team successful.

sure some edmonton guys will be incredulous, but id pass if thats the deal. how about you?

Which defenceman are you looking to upgrade?

Letang Dumo
Maata Daley
Cole Pouliot

Where is the need? A depth 7 dman isn't a tall order at all. Sign Bartowski for 800K, he fits what we are looking for, fast, can skate the puck out of the zone, ok puck mover, decent shot.

I never saw a game in the playoffs where I thought our defence was an issue. I didnt really see any issue, so what I am looking for is a way to push us over the top. Another top 6 threat does that, I want opposing coaches having seizures on the bench trying to figure out how to match up against our top 9.
- stackthepads

bart is actually a good suggestion. Someone will give him prolly double that thou.

Which defenceman are you looking to upgrade?

Letang Dumo
Maata Daley
Cole Pouliot

Where is the need? A depth 7 dman isn't a tall order at all. Sign Bartowski for 800K, he fits what we are looking for, fast, can skate the puck out of the zone, ok puck mover, decent shot.

I never saw a game in the playoffs where I thought our defence was an issue. I didnt really see any issue, so what I am looking for is a way to push us over the top. Another top 6 threat does that, I want opposing coaches having seizures on the bench trying to figure out how to match up against our top 9.
- stackthepads

the issue is that the third pairing there can become an absolute tire fire if pouliot is a (frank) up. but, to a certain extent, at what point do you just have to try the kid? its going on what, year 3 or 4 now? if the guy cant play an offensive role in sheltered minutes on the third line at this stage in his career, or you arent of the belief he can, then you need to chalk it up as a bust and move on.

the only thing i will say, is come playoff time, defensive depth was huge.