You act like I'm saying they are equal or that Vanek is better. I'm saying Vanek is a lesser version of Kessel. So obviously saying Kessel is better. Along with Vanek declining in recent years. So getting him for one year at a very low cost to see if he has anything left is not a bad idea. As someone who watches both the pens and wild I can say with confidence the comparison is good.
- Zac_O

i wouldnt make him a priority in my opinion. but it all depends how cheaply a guy is going to reduce himself.

im not really interested, but you cant tell me if he was just like hey can I have a deal like you gave cullen last year it wouldnt be worth kicking tires? that being said, i dont think he would

Matt Moulson. Vanek and Kessel are two completely different types of players even if they're both technically snipers. Vanek doesn't have nor did he ever have the natural physical tools such as speed and the ability to shoot the puck at full flight that makes The Phil such a special player. You can't compare a player to Phil without talking about speed, elite playmaking, and a cannon wrister that makes The Phil such a special player. By this logic Matt Cullen and Patric Hornqvist are similar players because they produced similar numbers in their primes.
- Victoro311

So they both are snipers who are streaky and dont play good defense but because one has better speed you cant compare them? Like I said, Kessel is better. Thats where his speed, passing (which you didnt mention but is clearly better) and still being in his prime make him better. Also I'm not just going off old stats. I watched Vanek this year. Yes plays a slightly different style but that doesn't put him into an entirely different category. I understand not wanting him since he is older and has declined. But for the people on here to tell me its a bad idea after the 0 brains ideas I see here everyday is ridiculous. Lots of homer overlove for Kessel right now. People acting like he is top 5 and its wrong to compare people to him even if you are saying he is better.

i wouldnt make him a priority in my opinion. but it all depends how cheaply a guy is going to reduce himself.

im not really interested, but you cant tell me if he was just like hey can I have a deal like you gave cullen last year it wouldnt be worth kicking tires? that being said, i dont think he would
- stayinthefnnet

Rumor is the NYR are interested in him. If there's a bidding war at all I wouldn't even try.

So they both are snipers who are streaky and dont play good defense but because one has better speed you cant compare them? Like I said, Kessel is better. Thats where his speed, passing (which you didnt mention but is clearly better) and still being in his prime make him better. Also I'm not just going off old stats. I watched Vanek this year. Yes plays a slightly different style but that doesn't put him into an entirely different category. I understand not wanting him since he is older and has declined. But for the people on here to tell me its a bad idea after the 0 brains ideas I see here everyday is ridiculous. Lots of homer overlove for Kessel right now. People acting like he is top 5 and its wrong to compare people to him even if you are saying he is better.
- Zac_O

They're not the same sniper though. Vanek was one of the best in the business at shooting accurately in tight and tipping shots making him one of the most effective net fronts in the league. Couple that with an above average shot from the perimeter and his above average play making and you had a special player in his own right but not very similar to Kessel.

So they both are snipers who are streaky and dont play good defense but because one has better speed you cant compare them? Like I said, Kessel is better. Thats where his speed, passing (which you didnt mention but is clearly better) and still being in his prime make him better. Also I'm not just going off old stats. I watched Vanek this year. Yes plays a slightly different style but that doesn't put him into an entirely different category. I understand not wanting him since he is older and has declined. But for the people on here to tell me its a bad idea after the 0 brains ideas I see here everyday is ridiculous. Lots of homer overlove for Kessel right now. People acting like he is top 5 and its wrong to compare people to him even if you are saying he is better.
- Zac_O

kessel is a top 5 rw though

Chiasdon traded to the Flames... Dominos!

You act like I'm saying they are equal or that Vanek is better. I'm saying Vanek is a lesser version of Kessel. So obviously saying Kessel is better. Along with Vanek declining in recent years. So getting him for one year at a very low cost to see if he has anything left is not a bad idea. As someone who watches both the pens and wild I can say with confidence the comparison is good.
- Zac_O

Oh no, the trolling remark was on your belief that Vanek was a "one time" 20 goal scorer and Kessel a "one time" 30 goal scorer.

Chiasdon traded to the Flames... Dominos!
- hipcheck_goalie

Boy, he never really amounted to much. I thought he had some good potential.

Boy, he never really amounted to much. I thought he had some good potential.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I did too... He has size, skill, and grit... Just couldn't put it all together. Maybe he turns it around out west.

Lindros made the HOF... at least that's what my boss just told me...

Oh no, the trolling remark was on your belief that Vanek was a "one time" 20 goal scorer and Kessel a "one time" 30 goal scorer.
- Guile

Kessel may never score 30 again...and I'd still might be a happy camper

Lindros made the HOF... at least that's what my boss just told me...
- TaxMan22

Haven't been able to confirm though.

They're not the same sniper though. Vanek was one of the best in the business at shooting accurately in tight and tipping shots making him one of the most effective net fronts in the league. Couple that with an above average shot from the perimeter and his above average play making and you had a special player in his own right but not very similar to Kessel.
- Victoro311

So is 'Vanek is a less effective style to the same type of player as Kessel' better? Or do I need to choose my words even more carefully? I mean not even the two idiots running for president need to pick their words this carefully.

Lindros made the HOF... at least that's what my boss just told me...
- TaxMan22

yes Eric Lindros, Sergei Makarov, Rogie Vachon, Pat Quinn made it.
Mark Recchi, Dave Andreychuck, Doug Wilson, Alex Mogilny, Paul Kariya, Curtis Joseph and Theo Fleury were snubbed

Oh no, the trolling remark was on your belief that Vanek was a "one time" 20 goal scorer and Kessel a "one time" 30 goal scorer.
- Guile

One time was a poor choice of words. Regularly a 20 goal scored and regularly a 30 goal scores would be more accurate and what I meant.

Haven't been able to confirm though.
- TaxMan22

Confirmed - http://espn.go.com/nhl/st...ass-2016-hockey-hall-fame

Along with Makarov, Vachon, and Pat Quinn

yes Eric Lindros, Sergei Makarov, Rogie Vachon, Pat Quinn made it.
Mark Recchi, Dave Andreychuck, Doug Wilson, Alex Mogilny, Paul Kariya, Curtis Joseph, Theo Fleury were snubbed
- martox

Just saw that, thanks!

So is 'Vanek is a less effective style to the same type of player as Kessel' better? Or do I need to choose my words even more carefully? I mean not even the two idiots running for president need to pick their words this carefully.
- Zac_O

I don't know man you called him a worse version of Kessel. When you say a sentence like that you're implying that they're the same type of player which they are not. They play the game and score goals in two completely different ways.

So is 'Vanek is a less effective style to the same type of player as Kessel' better? Or do I need to choose my words even more carefully? I mean not even the two idiots running for president need to pick their words this carefully.
- Zac_O

yes Eric Lindros, Sergei Makarov, Rogie Vachon, Pat Quinn made it.
Mark Recchi, Dave Andreychuck, Doug Wilson, Alex Mogilny, Paul Kariya, Curtis Joseph and Theo Fleury were snubbed
- martox

everybody is snubbed? (or just chris Osgood wasn't)

I don't know man you called him a worse version of Kessel. When you say a sentence like that you're implying that they're the same type of player which they are not. They play the game and score goals in two completely different ways.
- Victoro311

Crosby is a worse version of Lemeiux. Malkin is a worse version of Crosby. Bonino is a worse version of Malkin. Cullen is a worse version of Bonino. Sutter is a (frank)in worse version of bonino

Rumor is the NYR are interested in him. If there's a bidding war at all I wouldn't even try.
- Zac_O

exactly. i havent heard any rumors, but i havent exactly been hunting either haha. that would be perfect. that would be pulling them in the exact opposite direction of where they need to be going.

Crosby is a worse version of Lemeiux. Malkin is a worse version of Crosby. Bonino is a worse version of Malkin. Cullen is a worse version of Bonino. Sutter is a (frank)in worse version of bonino
- DeflatedPucks

....the chain of progression immediately halts when needing to conjure up a player that is a worse version of sutter.

Kessel may never score 30 again...and I'd still might be a happy camper
- DeflatedPucks

If he scores 25+ and is the 2-way player he was in the playoffs where he can create his own plays then thats great. If he's a 20-25 goal player that is a passenger like he was for 75% of the season, then thats not good. He has the talent and all the tools to be a great player. Its up to him to be what type of player he wants to be.

everybody is snubbed? (or just chris Osgood wasn't)
- DeflatedPucks

the first 4 will be inducted this year. the others won'g get inducted THIS year