it happens to every team
- martox

Two words: Martin Erat

If I was a team I would do it and make Dallas pay for him. Dallas is just being cheap
- nh4442

Why is Dallas being cheap? Because they used the resources afforded them to get the best deal possible just like every other teams does with their RFAs? Just because they qualified him doesn't mean he's getting paid the QO for the season, he still has the right to arbitration and they still have the ability to work out a long term or bridge deal. All they did in qualifying him is unsure they don't lose the asset for nothing, aka smart business.

Why is Dallas being cheap? Because they used the resources afforded them to get the best deal possible just like every other teams does with their RFAs? Just because they qualified him doesn't mean he's getting paid the QO for the season, he still has the right to arbitration and they still have the ability to work out a long term or bridge deal. All they did in qualifying him is unsure they don't lose the asset for nothing, aka smart business.
- jaydogg1974

He's gonna get 1.2 to 1.5 mil. That's normally how it works for underwhelming first rounders who haven't completely busted and still have upside.

He's gonna get 1.2 to 1.5 mil. That's normally how it works for underwhelming first rounders who haven't completely busted and still have upside.
- Victoro311

I get that and I agree. I'm just trying to understand nh4442's comment about Dallas is just being cheap. I don't see how Dallas is being cheap at all.

No QO for Schultz ... I didn't care too much for him. Good shot, nice to have on PP, but defensively weak.

No QO for Schultz ... I didn't care too much for him. Good shot, nice to have on PP, but defensively weak.
- chimpira

that woulda been like 3.9m to qualify him right? good riddance.

(hopefully he resigns for a year deal for cheap )

hopefully he resigns for a year deal for cheap
- DeflatedPucks

Agreed ... That's the only way I'd want him back.

That isn't what you said at all, you asked what the Pens would have to give up if they matched the QO. So you didn't know how they worked.
- jaydogg1974

Wow sorry for not using the correct words when I said matched instead of offersheeted him... Everyone else knew what I meant yet you have to once again be little a poster.


And for your other comments yet again to me..

Dallas could easily just offer him 1.5-2m instead of qualifying him they won't have to go through all hoopla of someone else offer sheeting him and then matching

No, Vanek IS the player that Kessel was falsely accused of being. That's the only similarity I see between the two.
- T-Train

Kessel a one time 30 goal scorer that is streaky and vanishes on defense. Vanek a one time 20 goal scorer who is streaky and vanishes on defense. He most definitely is a lesser version of Kessel. Please tell me what other player you could compare him to.

that woulda been like 3.9m to qualify him right? good riddance.

(hopefully he resigns for a year deal for cheap )
- DeflatedPucks

Mentioned this before but it has to be at least a 2 year deal so that he's expansion eligible, can't have him walk as a UFA and then lose Pouliot in the expansion draft, if they bring Shultz back they need to have both him and Pouliot eligible for the expansion draft so that they're guaranteed to keep at least 1 of them.

Wow sorry for not using the correct words when I said matched instead of offersheeted him... Everyone else knew what I meant yet you have to once again be little a poster.


And for your other comments yet again to me..

Dallas could easily just offer him 1.5-2m instead of qualifying him they won't have to go through all hoopla of someone else offer sheeting him and then matching
- nh4442

They qualify him so that they have the time to negotiate with him without risking losing his rights for nothing, by qualifying him they now have the luxury of focusing of other areas then circling back to him later to get his deal done. It's simple NHL business that every team does. Am I to understand that you think every team in the NHL is cheap then if they QO players instead of just signing them? Maybe Nich was ready to sign a 1.5M-2M deal just yet because he hopes he may get offered more on an offer sheet? You really struggle understanding how the NHL works sometimes.

Kessel a one time 30 goal scorer that is streaky and vanishes on defense. Vanek a one time 20 goal scorer who is streaky and vanishes on defense. He most definitely is a lesser version of Kessel. Please tell me what other player you could compare him to.
- Zac_O

believe vanek is a former 40 goal scorer..

believe vanek is a former 40 goal scorer..
- sicknature71

he is actually a 2 time 40 goal scorer

believe vanek is a former 40 goal scorer..
- sicknature71

You're right. He averages around 20 now. Hes had 40 a few times. In fact Kessel has never reached 40 goals himself. I think Vanek on the right deal is a very low risk move with high potential for reward.

This season was decent and the playoffs very great, but I expect more from Kessel next season

This season was decent and the playoffs very great, but I expect more from Kessel next season
- DeflatedPucks

Like the Stanley Cup, Conn Smythe, and all the regular season trophies including the Vezina? Also, the Nobel Prize and the Pulitzer ... and a Purple Heart for defeating ISIS.

Like the Stanley Cup, Conn Smythe, and all the regular season trophies including the Vezina? Also, the Nobel Prize and the Pulitzer ....
- chimpira

More regular season consistency. But the Pulitzer or a couple of competitive eating contest wins would be a bonus

Kessel a one time 30 goal scorer that is streaky and vanishes on defense. Vanek a one time 20 goal scorer who is streaky and vanishes on defense. He most definitely is a lesser version of Kessel. Please tell me what other player you could compare him to.
- Zac_O

You're... trolling right? You can't be that belligerently stupid to what players have done in their careers.

This season was decent and the playoffs very great, but I expect more from Kessel next season
- DeflatedPucks

I think it took a while for Kessel to adjust. Definite confidence issues that everyone recovered from on their own time from the Johnston debacle that he took a little bit longer to come back from than most also. People say Kessel's a big game guy and floats when the game isn't important, but I think that's largely a myth. I think we'll see the guy we saw down the stretch and in the playoffs all season long now that he has his swagger back.

Kessel a one time 30 goal scorer that is streaky and vanishes on defense. Vanek a one time 20 goal scorer who is streaky and vanishes on defense. He most definitely is a lesser version of Kessel. Please tell me what other player you could compare him to.
- Zac_O

Matt Moulson. Vanek and Kessel are two completely different types of players even if they're both technically snipers. Vanek doesn't have nor did he ever have the natural physical tools such as speed and the ability to shoot the puck at full flight that makes The Phil such a special player. You can't compare a player to Phil without talking about speed, elite playmaking, and a cannon wrister that makes The Phil such a special player. By this logic Matt Cullen and Patric Hornqvist are similar players because they produced similar numbers in their primes.

You're right. He averages around 20 now. Hes had 40 a few times. In fact Kessel has never reached 40 goals himself. I think Vanek on the right deal is a very low risk move with high potential for reward.
- Zac_O

Vanek is a turd. No thanks.

You're... trolling right? You can't be that belligerently stupid to what players have done in their careers.
- Guile

You act like I'm saying they are equal or that Vanek is better. I'm saying Vanek is a lesser version of Kessel. So obviously saying Kessel is better. Along with Vanek declining in recent years. So getting him for one year at a very low cost to see if he has anything left is not a bad idea. As someone who watches both the pens and wild I can say with confidence the comparison is good.

Matt Moulson. Vanek and Kessel are two completely different types of players even if they're both technically snipers. Vanek doesn't have nor did he ever have the natural physical tools such as speed and the ability to shoot the puck at full flight that makes The Phil such a special player. You can't compare a player to Phil without talking about speed, elite playmaking, and a cannon wrister that makes The Phil such a special player. By this logic Matt Cullen and Patric Hornqvist are similar players because they produced similar numbers in their primes.
- Victoro311

yeah. vanek actually scored a lot of girls in front of the net in his prime. if you want to argue end results being similar at one time, yeah. but i dont think they are similar players stylistically

I think its time to trade Kessel, while he still has value, back to the Maple Leads

yeah. vanek actually scored a lot of girls in front of the net in his prime. if you want to argue end results being similar at one time, yeah. but i dont think they are similar players stylistically
- stayinthefnnet

Damn, Hornqvist agrees!