Its all hindsight in the end but fair to say we certainly didn't draft a future player we can build around
- RatedR80

I agree with this, who really knows if a different player here or there would have changed the fortunes. I have always thought the worst thing was that Edmonton got the 1st overall pick.
Just random but say 2010 you got hall and the team improved next season didn't get the first and on.
2011-dougie hamilton
2012 - galchenyuk
2013 - Nurse
2014 - Bennett
2015 - McDavid.

My point is your really can't say how the team would have done by drafting different players if they finished other then last and getting the number 1 pick.

Having that 1st overall usually you get a high offensive player and aren't looking for a power forward or a 200 foot center, a shutdown D unless they are the consensus #1 like Aaron Ekblad.

In all fairness, when you're drafting as high as the Oilers always do, you have to take BPA.

Their failure has been their reluctance to trade any of those redundant top end selections and young star prospects for more complementary types. They very likely could have traded a Nugent-Hopkins for a Trouba or Dumba type before they gave him a $6MM AAV contract and a gold card in the underachievers club.
- YeOldTimer

EXACTLY!

Did anyone do good in their own mock drafts? I got 5 correct but only 22 out of 30 correct in the first round.
- manvanfan

I got the 1st 3 right.

In all fairness, when you're drafting as high as the Oilers always do, you have to take BPA.

Their failure has been their reluctance to trade any of those redundant top end selections and young star prospects for more complementary types. They very likely could have traded a Nugent-Hopkins for a Trouba or Dumba type before they gave him a $6MM AAV contract and a gold card in the underachievers club.
- YeOldTimer

Nuge is better than any current center in a canucks uniform. Hank 4-5 years ago maybe not obviously.

I wouldn't give up on Yak just yet.
- bloatedmosquito

Semin*cough*

I got the 1st 3 right.
- thundachunk

Funny, heard the rumours about CLB not being keen on JP and wanting a Center but your thinking how could they pass up on JP. Then it happened and your like

I agree with this, who really knows if a different player here or there would have changed the fortunes. I have always thought the worst thing was that Edmonton got the 1st overall pick.
Just random but say 2010 you got hall and the team improved next season didn't get the first and on.
2011-dougie hamilton
2012 - galchenyuk
2013 - Nurse
2014 - Bennett
2015 - McDavid.

My point is your really can't say how the team would have done by drafting different players if they finished other then last and getting the number 1 pick.

Having that 1st overall usually you get a high offensive player and aren't looking for a power forward or a 200 foot center, a shutdown D unless they are the consensus #1 like Aaron Ekblad.
- manvanfan

As draft history has shown getting the #1 is nice but so many teams that have gotten it had failed to build a proper team around said player....yes us included obviously as we continue to be in the lotto hunt every year instead of the playoff hunt

Nuge is better than any current center in a canucks uniform. Hank 4-5 years ago maybe not obviously.
- neem55

This is funny $hit right here.

Funny, heard the rumours about CLB not being keen on JP and wanting a Center but your thinking how could they pass up on JP. Then it happened and your like
- manvanfan

I honestly thought Dubois the better player and would have been surprised if he was passed by Columbus. Edmonton would have taken him over Tkachuk. It was wishful thinking on our part. I think if we were picking 3rd and took Dubois only a few of us would be happy and everyone would say JB is an idiot. Much like the Juolevi pick.

This is funny $hit right here.
- thundachunk

Who's better? I'm not an Oilers fan in disguise. RNH has had three 50+ point seasons on a pretty bad team. From a ppg/fancy stats standpoint, it's simply just a fact. He's 23, not 25 and in his prime.

Well Apparently Montreal thinks they got the best defenseman in the draft.

Elite IQ and Skating > Sergechev's size and athletic ability

Nuge is better than any current center in a canucks uniform. Hank 4-5 years ago maybe not obviously.
- neem55

Irrelevant to the topic of conversation.

If the Nuge is so good, could they not have traded him for Seth Jones, or someone similar? They'd arguably be a better team today if they'd made such a trade shortly after selecting Yakupov or Draisaitl or McDavid.

They just kept drafting top 6 forwards, added them into their lineup, and then were surprised when the team couldn't defend.

I honestly thought Dubois the better player and would have been surprised if he was passed by Columbus. Edmonton would have taken him over Tkachuk. It was wishful thinking on our part. I think if we were picking 3rd and took Dubois only a few of us would be happy and everyone would say JB is an idiot. Much like the Juolevi pick.
- thundachunk

I think it was a positional based selection as much as anything


Obviously they do a lot of scouting, so they know the players better than me ( even if they're FAR from infallible)
but sometimes you can overthink things


For average fan, unless you're some super prospect nerd, it's tough to gauge much Beyond a small sample. (Under 18's- world juniors- playing in a pro league/ brilliant skater etc)
And based on that, I can't imagine what kekalainen was thinking beyond wanting a center. Jp had a monster season.

Chiarellis face was pretty priceless when he realized jp was his


End of the day, only time will tell

Irrelevant to the topic of conversation.

If the Nuge is so good, could they not have traded him for Seth Jones, or someone similar? They'd arguably be a better team today if they'd made such a trade shortly after selecting Yakupov or Draisaitl or McDavid.

They just kept drafting top 6 forwards, added them into their lineup, and then were surprised when the team couldn't defend.
- YeOldTimer

It's widely reported They offered him for Jones. They chose johansens instead.
Chiarelli also went after Hamilton. But Boston took a lesser package from cgy...


Any trade for great value probably would've had to been awhile back. When you still don't know what u have.
So again, it's kinda just a hindsight argument.

One last thing, I'm extremely happy they haven't dealt draisaitl

Irrelevant to the topic of conversation.

If the Nuge is so good, could they not have traded him for Seth Jones, or someone similar? They'd arguably be a better team today if they'd made such a trade shortly after selecting Yakupov or Draisaitl or McDavid.

They just kept drafting top 6 forwards, added them into their lineup, and then were surprised when the team couldn't defend.
- YeOldTimer

Its not irrelevant... you called him an underachiever, I simply pointed out he's pretty good and not really an underachiever. I think they are trying to deal him, I think the price of D is high. Johansen is better than him, so I'd imagine that's why that didn't happen (I would probably take the better of two offers). They aren't dealing from a position of strength, is the bottom line.

Irrelevant to the topic of conversation.

If the Nuge is so good, could they not have traded him for Seth Jones, or someone similar? They'd arguably be a better team today if they'd made such a trade shortly after selecting Yakupov or Draisaitl or McDavid.

They just kept drafting top 6 forwards, added them into their lineup, and then were surprised when the team couldn't defend.
- YeOldTimer

Looking at the Edmonton Roster I really can't tell how the line up shakes up. Care to help me who plays where. I haven't seen them play in a while. forwards. D I can kind of see who's on what pairing.

OK, but I want to see some of these new guys play in a canuck jersey and play within a canuck system before I get too excited. Fan expectations should be at an all time low.
- bloatedmosquito

If you are an extreme pessimist then yes....expectations should be low. My pint glass is half full and the future appears bright

Its not irrelevant... you called him an underachiever, I simply pointed out he's pretty good and not really an underachiever. I think they are trying to deal him, I think the price of D is high. Johansen is better than him, so I'd imagine that's why that didn't happen (I would probably take the better of two offers). They aren't dealing from a position of strength, is the bottom line.
- neem55

This


Kinda the reason I called out a few of the posters. Same ole typical nonsense.
The 'chiarellis an idiot if he doesn't get hamonic' was beyond brain dead


Either way, It doesn't take a genius to know other gms see him as desperate are trying to rape him. And why not?

There's a fine line between getting reasonable value and just dealing for the sake of it and losing the deal badly

If you are an extreme pessimist then yes....expectations should be low. My pint glass is half full and the future appears bright
- CanuckDon

Mine glass starts full, empties then it is refilled and the joy returns.

In all fairness, when you're drafting as high as the Oilers always do, you have to take BPA.

Their failure has been their reluctance to trade any of those redundant top end selections and young star prospects for more complementary types. They very likely could have traded a Nugent-Hopkins for a Trouba or Dumba type before they gave him a $6MM AAV contract and a gold card in the underachievers club.
- YeOldTimer

It is this way everywhere. BPA all the way. Juolevi was in my top 4 of who I thought we could get at 5th.

I knew Laine and Mathews were unattainable so I picked who I thought were the best 2 forwards and the best 2 defence.

Dubois and Puull were better than Tkachuk.

Dubois can play a 200 ft game and 2 positions great character big with nice hands.

Puull is a dynamo that can score (imo a Natural goal scorer)and can back check Of them all the most NHL ready.(attitude that reminds me of Jarko)

Juolevi best all around game for a defence man, poised with the puck creates offence and can score. What I liked most was his skating ability.(I'm a sucker for great skating)

Sergechev because his shot#1 and # 2 this kid has character and for a Russian that is huge. What a good kid I shouldn't gush but I liked him a lot. Montreal got a steal in the draft.

After the top 2 I firmly believe any of this players could have gone 3-6.

Jesus Christ you 3 have been here long enough now that you should have an avatar. Hell even Vantel has and avatar. He's like 80.(sorry Dad)

Its not irrelevant... you called him an underachiever, I simply pointed out he's pretty good and not really an underachiever. I think they are trying to deal him, I think the price of D is high. Johansen is better than him, so I'd imagine that's why that didn't happen (I would probably take the better of two offers). They aren't dealing from a position of strength, is the bottom line.
- neem55

The whole crop of first rounders they have are seen collectively as underachievers.

Seth Jones trade reference was just an example.

They should have traded one of those top pick guys shortly after drafting them and their expected potential was still high. They could have been dealing from a position of strength had they not tried to build their lineup using only young top 6 forward types. They needed to trade some of those young assets for complementary players with other skill sets. They boxed themselves in by not being proactive.

Agreed, definitely were looking for Dubois I think too as we need center's and D. I'm pretty happy with Juolevi myself, I trust JB that he's the best d in the draft.
- neem55

The amusing thing is that from several reports Edmonton was going to take Juolevi at 4 and NOT tkachuk. They obviously had no choice but to take Pulj

The whole crop of first rounders they have are seen collectively as underachievers.

Seth Jones trade reference was just an example.

They should have traded one of those top pick guys shortly after drafting them and their expected potential was still high. They could have been dealing from a position of strength had they not tried to build their lineup using only young top 6 forward types. They needed to trade some of those young assets for complementary players with other skill sets. They boxed themselves in by not being proactive.
- YeOldTimer

Really they should have taken Juolevi.

This


Kinda the reason I called out a few of the posters. Same ole typical nonsense.
The 'chiarellis an idiot if he doesn't get hamonic' was beyond brain dead


Either way, It doesn't take a genius to know other gms see him as desperate are trying to rape him. And why not?

There's a fine line between getting reasonable value and just dealing for the sake of it and losing the deal badly
- Ihateallofu

I'm sure most of us thought that was pretty stupid. Not a representative opinion.

My point was they have spent 10 years just accumulating skilled players without any attempt to build a team. Now that the value of the skilled players is diminishing, it's really only their own fault and they still need to pull the trigger on something to get out of that hole. Even if they don't get what's perceived as fair value for a former number one overall.