When you have finished embarrassing yourself feel free to leave. If you would like to keep going, go ahead. Haven't laughed this hard in a long time at someone.
- manvanfan

leave where?


And huh? Are you laughing at how uneducated and misinformed you came off ?
Seems self destructive and not the best way to change those flaws.
But I'm not here to judge

Are you laughing at how uneducated and misinformed you came off ?


Seems self destructive and not the best way to change those flaws.
But I'm not here to judge
- Ihateallofu

Help then, explain to me how I am misinformed. No, i'm not saying make a joke about how i'm "uneducated". I'm asking you to tell me exactly what I said that has made me misinformed...

Explain exactly how i'm wrong.

That's a bit of a bold statement. No player has been the best player year after year for a while now.
- manvanfan

Ima assume he meant best player in the world.
The nhl is obviously fluid with guys having big years here and there, but regardless, Crosby has probably been the consensus best player in the world for a long time now

That's a bit of a bold statement. No player has been the best player year after year for a while now.
- manvanfan

Well, he'll be the next Crosby, let's put it that way

Benning is also smart enough not too draft the same type of player year after year.
- manvanfan

Silly statement

First of all, benning has not shown he's anything more than a mediocre gm thus far.
Comparing him to chiarellis resume is ridiculous.

Furthermore, Chias only had two picks with the oilers.
He certainly hasn't picked the same player year after year. Far from it


Terrible post


The silly drafting "shut down center" comment.
Or the defenders you assumed we should've taken that was proven wrong.
Or blaming it all on drafting without bothering to take so many other factors into account.

Etc etc

Just think more before you post is all

Well, he'll be the next Crosby, let's put it that way
- walshyleafsfan

It's funny that you had to clarify this

It's funny that you had to clarify this
- Ihateallofu

Please respect the Vancouver fans. You have to know how to communicate with them.

Please respect the Vancouver fans. You have to know how to communicate with them.
- walshyleafsfan

Some are great and really know their stuff

This guy is special though

Well, he'll be the next Crosby, let's put it that way
- walshyleafsfan

Oh no doubt, I think he will be a great player for years. For the last couple of years one players just hasn't dominated much more then others. Could be good for the nhl to have one guy again.

Yeah, no


And Let me enlighten you then


actually, they've drafted 2 in the first round.
Klefbom and nurse.


using the guys in the mix for the top pick over the years,

2010 - gudbranson/fowler over hall ?
2011- Larsson over nuge? Drafted klefbom at 19 that year as well.
2012- Murray over yaks?
2013- nurse
2014 - Haydn Fleury over draisaitl?
2015- mcdavid
2016- puljujarvi


The only one where one they missed is Ryan Murray. But even then, Murrays been a bandaid pretty much his entire career and would've changed very little thus far. Especially early where yaks led rooks in goals -points but Murray missed the whole season.

I'll even mayyybe debate nuge/larsson. But again, larsson would've changed nothing til maybe this past season. And even with that said, they needed a 1c at that point every bit as much as a 1d


It's a bs narrative that most people don't bother to think beyond what they read some no nothing blogger say
- Ihateallofu

Excellent. Now that I've been enlightened I see things so clearly.

Sure, if you look at each draft individually you can absolutely justify the Oilers taking who they did over the "highest ranked" defenceman. The problem is that it ignores the fact that each of those picks could have been used to move down in the draft, acquiring additional picks in the process and increasing the chances of hitting on later picks. The pick could also have been traded to acquire actual established defenceman. A team that is always going to have trouble attracting top UFAs needs to be a little more creative on how they bring talent in. So far Oilers management hasn't been, although summer is just starting and Chirelli has a lot of trade chips to play with.

Excellent. Now that I've been enlightened I see things so clearly.

Sure, if you look at each draft individually you can absolutely justify the Oilers taking who they did over the "highest ranked" defenceman. The problem is that it ignores the fact that each of those picks could have been used to move down in the draft, acquiring additional picks in the process and increasing the chances of hitting on later picks. The pick could also have been traded to acquire actual established defenceman. A team that is always going to have trouble attracting top UFAs needs to be a little more creative on how they bring talent in. So far Oilers management hasn't been, although summer is just starting and Chirelli has a lot of trade chips to play with.
- CubanBuffet

I felt bad for him when he went through to write all that, somehow he managed to come up with the word defensemen from my original statement of "same type of player".
Oilers fan have had it hard.

Excellent. Now that I've been enlightened I see things so clearly.

Sure, if you look at each draft individually you can absolutely justify the Oilers taking who they did over the "highest ranked" defenceman. The problem is that it ignores the fact that each of those picks could have been used to move down in the draft, acquiring additional picks in the process and increasing the chances of hitting on later picks. The pick could also have been traded to acquire actual established defenceman. A team that is always going to have trouble attracting top UFAs needs to be a little more creative on how they bring talent in. So far Oilers management hasn't been, although summer is just starting and Chirelli has a lot of trade chips to play with.
- CubanBuffet

But again, they were desperate for a franchise forward in hall.
And a 1c in nuge

Zero chance you trade down with either of those picks. Tambs tanked and got his guys

And while yaks in hindsight would've been prudent to move down, at that point you've got petry and klefbom developing. And You idiotically think ference is much better than he is etc. The rationale is there.
Plus, the guy was a dynamic talent on a very low scoring team.
I'll also say rumours is they wanted Murray (Lowe put him on team canada worlds before the draft) and katz overrode that decision and wanted the scoring Russian to put fans in seats.
Just sayin

Then nurse

Pretty happy we have Leon

Then Connor


Not to mention that we don't know they didn't try. Every year we hear so many rumours but how often are people really moving those high picks around? It's such a massive gamble in today's cap world where these kids are cost effective and protected . And trading down doesn't net these huge returns really. It's like another 2nd rounder or something. Not some ready made nhl proven guy


You're not wrong per se, but I dunno

I felt bad for him when he went through to write all that, somehow he managed to come up with the word defensemen from my original statement of "same type of player".
Oilers fan have had it hard.
- manvanfan

My bad, yeah they should've went after a shutdown center at pick 3 instead of Leon draisaitl

Jesus

My bad, yeah they should've went after a shutdown center at pick 3

Jesus
- Ihateallofu

Well at least the "Oilers are stupid for taking McDavid they should have drafted a Dman" arguments havent happened yet....wait what have I done...

But again, they were desperate for a franchise forward in hall.
And a 1c in nuge

Zero chance you trade down with either of those picks. Tambs tanked and got his guys

And while yaks in hindsight would've been prudent to move down, at that point you've got petry and klefbom developing. And You idiotically think ference is much better than he is etc. The rationale is there.
Plus, the guy was a dynamic talent on a very low scoring team.
I'll also say rumours is they wanted Murray (Lowe put him on team canada worlds before the draft) and katz overrode that decision and wanted the scoring Russian to put fans in seats.
Just sayin

Then nurse

Pretty happy we have Leon

Then Connor


Not to mention that we don't know they didn't try. Every year we hear so many rumours but how often are people really moving those high picks around? It's such a massive gamble in today's cap world where these kids are cost effective and protected . And trading down doesn't net these huge returns really. It's like another 2nd rounder or something. Not some ready made nhl proven guy


You're not wrong per se, but I dunno
- Ihateallofu

Like I said, you can take each pick or circumstance individually and easily justify them. But at some point - and this is easy for me to say, not knowing what discussions with other gms have gone on - you've got to do what you've got to do to shore up that back end. God knows you have the pieces to do it.

Well at least the "Oilers are stupid for taking McDavid they should have drafted a Dman" arguments havent happened yet....wait what have I done...
- RatedR80

Let's hope no one broaches that far ....

But yeah it sucks cause these kids got thrown to the wolves right outta the gates with zero insulation and zero help

Unfortunately people have gotten the idea that it's some sort of problem with player A we drafted. But it's way more complicated.
And losing just kills confidence.

I won't be the least bit surprised if yaks scores 20 elsewhere and nuge becomes a really good two way 1c elsewhere

Like I said, you can take each pick or circumstance individually and easily justify them. But at some point - and this is easy for me to say, not knowing what discussions with other gms have gone on - you've got to do what you've got to do to shore up that back end. God knows you have the pieces to do it.
- CubanBuffet

I've gotta assume theyre trying obviously

But these gms are playing hardball with a guy they see as desperate. And rightly so


A deal will come. And it won't be a slam dunk. But as long as it's a piece that can potentially help.
We can't just deal for a maybe. And as painful as the losing is, and considering some of the offers I've heard for our guys, I'm glad mact held his cards. He paid for it, but he didn't throw away assets


I'm starting to think nuge for dumba. Not what I originally hoped, or entirely ideal, but it's a start with klefbom/sekera/nurse/Davidson

Like I said, you can take each pick or circumstance individually and easily justify them. But at some point - and this is easy for me to say, not knowing what discussions with other gms have gone on - you've got to do what you've got to do to shore up that back end. God knows you have the pieces to do it.
- CubanBuffet

Yes every Oiler fan realizes this and are willing to lose someone in order to get help on the back end...sadly at the end of the day we arent the ones who can pull triggers on trades....so its either PC over values our guys which is dumb or other GMs are playing hardball which somewhat hurts them if they are in need of skilled forwards

I've gotta assume theyre trying obviously

But these gms are playing hardball with a guy they see as desperate. And rightly so


A deal will come. And it won't be a slam dunk. But as long as it's a piece that can potentially help.
We can't just deal for a maybe. And as painful as the losing is, and considering some of the offers I've heard for our guys, I'm glad mact held his cards. He paid for it, but he didn't throw away assets


I'm starting to think nuge for dumba. Not what I originally hoped, or entirely ideal, but it's a start with klefbom/sekera/nurse/Davidson
- Ihateallofu

I hope something works out for your Oilers but if it doesn't happen this offseason...

.....then what?

McDavid is good but he won't be carrying the team for a while without some defensive help...

And can Talbot become a #1? Remains to be seen.

Without a better defensive minded group of players, whether that be some two way forwards or puck moving D, alot of potential could be wasted and the position of weakness only gets worse. I hope they do something. I want some (frank)ing Canadian rivalries again and playoffs for at least half of Canada. This battle for the bottom poop has to stop for some teams.

Semin*cough*
- thundachunk

Funny, I think semin had a pretty good NHL career.

517 points in 650 games. Not bad.

But again, they were desperate for a franchise forward in hall.
And a 1c in nuge

Zero chance you trade down with either of those picks. Tambs tanked and got his guys

And while yaks in hindsight would've been prudent to move down, at that point you've got petry and klefbom developing. And You idiotically think ference is much better than he is etc. The rationale is there.
Plus, the guy was a dynamic talent on a very low scoring team.
I'll also say rumours is they wanted Murray (Lowe put him on team canada worlds before the draft) and katz overrode that decision and wanted the scoring Russian to put fans in seats.
Just sayin

Then nurse

Pretty happy we have Leon

Then Connor


Not to mention that we don't know they didn't try. Every year we hear so many rumours but how often are people really moving those high picks around? It's such a massive gamble in today's cap world where these kids are cost effective and protected . And trading down doesn't net these huge returns really. It's like another 2nd rounder or something. Not some ready made nhl proven guy


You're not wrong per se, but I dunno
- Ihateallofu

I think the Oilers have done fine drafting in the first round. I think save for the Yak pick, which I'm sure all Oiler fans wish they would have at least looked at trading down and getting extra assets, there isn't much they should/could've done differently. It's the drafting in round 2-7 that's been the issue, plus the overvaluing and unwillingness to part with any of the 1OAs to try and address glaring issues that has been the problem. The problem with the Oilers has never been in their top 6 even before McDavid came, it's the fact that the Oilers are so top heavy that now they're in a spot where they may lose someone in the expansion draft for nothing.

Who would be on your protected list? McDavid's exempt, Draisaitl I'm not sure on, so that leaves Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Yak as your skaters with Nurse, Klefbom and Talbot as two of your D and goalie that I'd believe PC would protect.

I hope something works out for your Oilers but if it doesn't happen this offseason...

.....then what?

McDavid is good but he won't be carrying the team for a while without some defensive help...

And can Talbot become a #1? Remains to be seen.

Without a better defensive minded group of players, whether that be some two way forwards or puck moving D, alot of potential could be wasted and the position of weakness only gets worse. I hope they do something. I want some (frank)ing Canadian rivalries again and playoffs for at least half of Canada. This battle for the bottom poop has to stop for some teams.
- WhatTheNuck

If we dont get the help we need its going to be another long long season even if Talbot is playing like he did in the second half...I agree with your comment on Canadian teams overall it would be nice to see things like the battle of alberta become a thing again...now no teamsmake the playoffs...sad sad state

I think the Oilers have done fine drafting in the first round. I think save for the Yak pick, which I'm sure all Oiler fans wish they would have at least looked at trading down and getting extra assets, there isn't much they should/could've done differently. It's the drafting in round 2-7 that's been the issue, plus the overvaluing and unwillingness to part with any of the 1OAs to try and address glaring issues that has been the problem. The problem with the Oilers has never been in their top 6 even before McDavid came, it's the fact that the Oilers are so top heavy that now they're in a spot where they may lose someone in the expansion draft for nothing.

Who would be on your protected list? McDavid's exempt, Draisaitl I'm not sure on, so that leaves Hall, Nuge, Eberle, Yak as your skaters with Nurse, Klefbom and Talbot as two of your D and goalie that I'd believe PC would protect.
- DariusKnight

Wouldnt protect Yak at all but thats just me....as far as rounds 2-7 perhaps but we actually do have some good defensemen in our system but they certainly arent ready yet (like Ethan Bear) as far as who we would protect it would come down to wait happens this summer and who is on the roster

Yes every Oiler fan realizes this and are willing to lose someone in order to get help on the back end...sadly at the end of the day we arent the ones who can pull triggers on trades....so its either PC over values our guys which is dumb or other GMs are playing hardball which somewhat hurts them if they are in need of skilled forwards
- RatedR80

Probably a little from column A, a little from column B. Deals like that can't be easy, but they can happen. Jones / Johannsen comes to mind. Columbus wasn't dealing from a position of strength but they managed to do alright, and their gm is an idiot.

Probably a little from column A, a little from column B. Deals like that can't be easy, but they can happen. Jones / Johannsen comes to mind. Columbus wasn't dealing from a position of strength but they managed to do alright, and their gm is an idiot.
- CubanBuffet

Unless someone actually offer sheets Jones which could happen because they have no cap space to work with then in the end it was all for nothing...well I cant say nothing it would depend on who they draft with the picks they would recieve