i'd love for them to kick tires on fowler.....although you have to think that edmonton makes the best offer for him.
- sensarmy_11

I'm not sure why Ottawa has't been more connected to the Fowler sweeps. Left handed shot/decent 2 way d-man would be great for our 3rd pairing. 4 mill is a little steep, but not far off what it will cost to get a legit d-man to solidify the blueline.

I'm not sure why Ottawa has't been more connected to the Fowler sweeps. Left handed shot/decent 2 way d-man would be great for our 3rd pairing. 4 mill is a little steep, but not far off what it will cost to get a legit d-man to solidify the blueline.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

not sure what ottawa could send though. the ducks would definitely want an NHL ready forward.....not sure who ottawa could move without creating a giant hole. the obvious choice is zibby, but i'm not sure we have anyone ready to step into that top six role next year. white and brown are probably still atleast a couple of years away.

that would give us such a strong D group though

karlsson - fowler
ceci - phaneuf
methot - wideman/boro/chabot/etc


wonder if anaheim would do

zibby + chabot

for

fowler + ritchie

would ottawa?

not sure what ottawa could send though. the ducks would definitely want an NHL ready forward.....not sure who ottawa could move without creating a giant hole. the obvious choice is zibby, but i'm not sure we have anyone ready to step into that top six role next year. white and brown are probably still atleast a couple of years away.

that would give us such a strong D group though

karlsson - fowler
ceci - phaneuf
methot - wideman/boro/chabot/etc


wonder if anaheim would do

zibby + chabot

for

fowler + ritchie

would ottawa?
- sensarmy_11

my understanding is the the Ducks want a goal scoring winger....Hoffman?

not sure what ottawa could send though. the ducks would definitely want an NHL ready forward.....not sure who ottawa could move without creating a giant hole. the obvious choice is zibby, but i'm not sure we have anyone ready to step into that top six role next year. white and brown are probably still atleast a couple of years away.

that would give us such a strong D group though

karlsson - fowler
ceci - phaneuf
methot - wideman/boro/chabot/etc


wonder if anaheim would do

zibby + chabot

for

fowler + ritchie

would ottawa?
- sensarmy_11

Ideally, we don't give up a major roster player in my mind. I know every homer fan says that and is ridiculed, but I thought the 12th overall pick could be used with a chabot or something to get a legit guy. Obviously I was wrong.

If teams are interested in draft picks or prospects, any move made will likely create another hole elsewhere unless we sign a free agent. It's times like these it's nice to have an owner who could shell out a little extra dough.

Ideally, we don't give up a major roster player in my mind. I know every homer fan says that and is ridiculed, but I thought the 12th overall pick could be used with a chabot or something to get a legit guy. Obviously I was wrong.

If teams are interested in draft picks or prospects, any move made will likely create another hole elsewhere unless we sign a free agent. It's times like these it's nice to have an owner who could shell out a little extra dough.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

i hate melnyk

dude, Rychel is hardly a "can't miss" prospect either. guy projects to probably be an okay 3rd line player.......what would ottawa have done with him, he's basically another puempel, prince, dzingel type player.
- sensarmy_11

are you confusing 3rd line AHL vs NHL?

Rychel is several steps above all the ones you mention.

It's no secret they want d-men. The only d-man I can see being available if RNH is in the equation is Chabot. They aren't moving Ceci. Dion and Methot won't start any talks. And Karlsson, well, isn't going anywhere.

I just don't see a match with the Oil and Sens. Yak could probably be had at a decent price, but we all know he isn't the sniper he was touted to be.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

neither come close to landing RNH though.

I'm not sure why Ottawa has't been more connected to the Fowler sweeps. Left handed shot/decent 2 way d-man would be great for our 3rd pairing. 4 mill is a little steep, but not far off what it will cost to get a legit d-man to solidify the blueline.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

who you gonna give.

my understanding is the the Ducks want a goal scoring winger....Hoffman?
- spatso

doesnt come within a country mile of getting fowler.

doesnt come within a country mile of getting fowler.
- prock

I suspect you are right. Edmonton is likely open to the idea of trading Taylor Hall for Fowler (or an equivalent D man). The price for an experienced Dman is very steep and the cost of resigning is prohibitive. Did anyone think that Yendle would get $6.4 over 7 years?

Ottawa needs to be really careful. They are loaded with very strong prospects in key positions. Englund is a horse, he has great leadership and character qualities and he will play in the NHL this year. Chabot will start in Ottawa and likely get 10 games and may stick longer. He can be loaned to Team Canada where he was their best Dman last year. Wideman was very good over the second half of the season and played well for the Americans at the world championship tournament. The addition of Phaneuf last year as another veteran along with Methot is enough (although I fear Methot is the reason why Edmonton keeps looping back to Ottawa for discussions).

doesnt come within a country mile of getting fowler.
- prock

You're right, he's worth nothing........26 year old 30 goal scorers grow on trees.

Logan Brown was the 7th ranked North American skater by Central Scouting coming into the draft. He was their top ranked center. He was 14th at Christmas. He, Keller and Jost are the guys that rocketed up in the projections leading into the draft. I did not believe Brown would get by Montreal at #9 (although I did like Montreal's pick). I think Dorion would have been happy with Brown, Keller or Jost. So, when Arizona took Keller and Colorado took Jost, Dorion did the deal with the Devil for the 11th pick in order to take Brown.

I think the other guy on Ottawa's short list of options was Chychrun. It was a great play by Chayka and Arizona to jump on Ken Holland and Detroit. Chychrun is a great #2 Dman. He does not have the offensive flourish but (like Englund) he is a very strong defender. My off the wall prediction is that Ottawa circles back to talk with Chayka about Chychrun.

Chayka is obviously a very bright guy. He will do a deal if it works for him.

Always nice to see Prock with all his expertise giving his 2 cents on Sens players. Especially while he's drunk late on a Saturday night.

I like Dorion's 2nd round pick Jonathan Dahlen. (42nd overall) Son of former Swedish NHLer of 950+ games Ulf Dahlan. Watching his highlight film it's not hard to see he possesses good speed with the puck on his stick. He has a hard nose for the net and a very nice wrist shot. His size and left handed shot remind me of a Mike Hoffman lite on the offence, but seems to be willing to go harder in the dirtier areas. It's always hard to tell whether the 18 year old's talent will translate to the NHL like his father but PD went for a high skilled/ possible bust pick with the speedy LW.

neither come close to landing RNH though.
- prock

Hey Prock! Good to see you man.... remember we had a deal? You owe me money bro...

Did anyone think that Yendle would get $6.4 over 7 years?
- spatso

This makes Phanuef's cap hit of 7M more easy to digest; and atleast is for 5 years. The difference is that Phanuef starts the year 31.5 years old, while Yandle will turn 30.

that would give us such a strong D group though

karlsson - fowler
ceci - phaneuf
methot - wideman/boro/chabot/etc

wonder if anaheim would do

zibby + chabot

for

fowler + ritchie
- sensarmy_11

The trade above does not make sense to me. The Sens have already set their top 4D and with the expansion next year, it is very possible that Methot is traded (worse - picked up). This is where Chabot will have to step up.

This makes Phanuef's cap hit of 7M more easy to digest; and atleast is for 5 years. The difference is that Phanuef starts the year 31.5 years old, while Yandle will turn 30.


The trade above does not make sense to me. The Sens have already set their top 4D and with the expansion next year, it is very possible that Methot is traded (worse - picked up). This is where Chabot will have to step up.
- AlfieisKing

but Chabot wouldn't need to step up if we had fowler. also, fowler is a giant step up over methot, and is also 6 or 7 years younger. i also htink that he is the type of player who could play well with karlsson, perhaps even help him be better than he already is

I think you are on target, especially the slower development pace. Ottawa system has great size in group of young centres in their system (Zbad 6'2" 222 lbs, Paul 6'4" 230 lbs and now Brown who is 6'6" and will likely mature out in the 220 lbs range.

It is a curios mix when combined with Turris, Pageau and Colin White.
- spatso

All the Sens fans on this thread, and fans in general, need to temper expectations and look at things realistically. If a big sweedish center drafted 6th overall who scored the golden goal in the WJC fianls can't become a #1 center (more like an inconsistent #2).......... then people need to be realistic about the center ice position as it stands:

Turris: Excellent 2nd line all around center. Not a #1 center on a contender or perhaps even a playoff team but 19 centers hit 60 points last season. 24 the year before. Turris was 24th among centers the year before that. Turris can hit 60 points a season if healthy and possible push towards 70.

Zibanejad: This is the main x-factor. Everyone knows what it is - he's a mike fisher type player in that he's a 2-way center that isn't known for puck carrying but rather a big shot and nose for net (which he has to find more of to become a reliable #2)

Pageau: Has really shown what a smaller guy with a big heart can do. Even the, he's a 3rd line center that could become what Chris Kelly was.

Lazar: Natural center but more likely winger now that can hopefully become a Dustin Brown type; even more hopeful he can score better but doubt it.

White: Very similar to Lazar and Zibanejad. Probably a better puck carrier - hence comparisons to Patrice Bergeron - but we'll see what he does at the WJC next year. He will be one of the more experienced

Brown: I have to be honest, I was excited they moved up. As great as Bryan Murray is to Ottawa, as the GM there were times where one could disagree with the way he did things. I like that Dorion is very decisive (even if on the surface) and doesn't mind paying the price to get what he wants. He's big and his skating ability and overall offensive game is something I watch for

Read over the weekend ( sorry I can't find the source now ) that the Sens offered Hoffman $3.5M per year. Technically a qualifying offer. I know it is a negotiation, but damn...that's pretty low ball.

but Chabot wouldn't need to step up if we had fowler. also, fowler is a giant step up over methot, and is also 6 or 7 years younger. i also htink that he is the type of player who could play well with karlsson, perhaps even help him be better than he already is
- sensarmy_11

I'm not expecting any player movement by the Senators that may result in a key player being exposed in next year's expansion draft for the Las Vegas team. As it stands we have Karlsson, Methot, Phaneuf and Ceci who are meaningful assets, with 1 of them to be exposed. My hope is that we would be able to expose either Methot or Phaneuf but I'm not sure how their contracts play into the expansion draft.
If we add Fowler, I'm fairly certain that he would be exposed. Therefore we would be adding the player for one year only.

Exactly what they wanted, while stockpiling picks and prospects.

You're not the brightest.
- jbold

Dude don't want to poop on your parade, but you did first... Your team sucked, will continue to suck for years to come, even with your A++++++ prospects... you won't be in playoffs for another 3-4 years minimum. You overpaid your coach, and now you will try to overpay for Stammy. Great management team.

Read over the weekend ( sorry I can't find the source now ) that the Sens offered Hoffman $3.5M per year. Technically a qualifying offer. I know it is a negotiation, but damn...that's pretty low ball.
- MaxTLimit

it is just that, the minimum qualifying offer. To offer anything else at this point would be pointless, and could in fact be taken as an insult if the Hoffman camp thinks its too low.

It will be interesting to see what Kyle Okposo gets as a UFA and Brayden Schenn as an RFA. The three are loosely comparable as far as points go.

Okposo should go first, so comparables can be discussed once he is signed. I'm sure both Schenn and Hoffman will be using that contract when negotiating theirs.

my understanding is the the Ducks want a goal scoring winger....Hoffman?
- spatso

I don't think Ottawa has a need nor wants to trade Hoffman for another Top 4 D. This is why they traded for Phaneuf last year. Honestly, Sens only need another depth defensive defense no. 6-7. If anything, sens should stress for top six winger, in case Mac isn't the same when he comes back. A new system and a new coach is what should improve the team defensively the most going forward. Fowler would be a huge waste of assets, especially if this involves liquidifying assets in our top 3. Just plain dumb recommendation if you ask me.

not sure what ottawa could send though. the ducks would definitely want an NHL ready forward.....not sure who ottawa could move without creating a giant hole. the obvious choice is zibby, but i'm not sure we have anyone ready to step into that top six role next year. white and brown are probably still atleast a couple of years away.

that would give us such a strong D group though

karlsson - fowler
ceci - phaneuf
methot - wideman/boro/chabot/etc


wonder if anaheim would do

zibby + chabot

for

fowler + ritchie

would ottawa?
- sensarmy_11

I would say, if we wanted to go for Fowler, the ask would be somewhat equivalent to what we gave up for Bobby Ryan when we traded for him. My initial proposal would be something along the lines of:

To ANH: Paul, Puempel, Wideman, next year's 1st
To OTT: Fowler, Nate Thompson

Gives us a solid lineup top to bottom:

Mac-Turris-Stone
Hoffman-Zib-Ryan
Lazar-Pageau-Smith
Dzingel-Thompson-Neil

Karlsson-Methot
Ceci-Phaneuf
Fowler-Claesson/Boro/UFA

Andy
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