Looks like they made a bit of a reach to take Ulf Dahlen's son at #42...
http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=212368

Looks like they made a bit of a reach to take Ulf Dahlen's son at #42...
http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=212368
- khawk

Excellent skater, great scorer at the lower levels. Clarke Macurthur type. His dad was an arse, hopefully he has some of the pest in him

I think Logan Brown was a decent and safe pick. While I would have liked the Sens to move the pick for a more NHL ready player, Brown hits a lot of areas of need that the organization is lacking in general. I'm excited to see what kind of playmaker he is as that seems to be his top attribute. We really don't have any playmakers on the team or in the system. His size is impressive. Will be interesting to see how he uses it at the NHL level eventually. But generally with larger players, they take longer to develop.

I think Logan Brown was a decent and safe pick. While I would have liked the Sens to move the pick for a more NHL ready player, Brown hits a lot of areas of need that the organization is lacking in general. I'm excited to see what kind of playmaker he is as that seems to be his top attribute. We really don't have any playmakers on the team or in the system. His size is impressive. Will be interesting to see how he uses it at the NHL level eventually. But generally with larger players, they take longer to develop.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I think you are on target, especially the slower development pace. Ottawa system has great size in group of young centres in their system (Zbad 6'2" 222 lbs, Paul 6'4" 230 lbs and now Brown who is 6'6" and will likely mature out in the 220 lbs range.

It is a curios mix when combined with Turris, Pageau and Colin White.

I think you are on target, especially the slower development pace. Ottawa system has great size in group of young centres in their system (Zbad 6'2" 222 lbs, Paul 6'4" 230 lbs and now Brown who is 6'6" and will likely mature out in the 220 lbs range.

It is a curios mix when combined with Turris, Pageau and Colin White.
- spatso

You gotta have a little variety. Having big strong guys with quicker guys gives you a more versatile attack.

I'm a little disappointed in the lack of moves to address the roster now. There's still time between now and free agency, but I was hoping that a pick would be used to get a solid NHLer rather than using one to just moving up one whole spot for a guy who likely may have still been available with your existing pick.

Really like the Logan Brown pick (although I was hoping Keller somehow slipped). Given Dorion's scouting rep and the fact Brown has spent time in Ottawa training/working out with the Sens staff I'm sure they know what they're getting. Button's analysis (for what it's worth) is pretty encouraging as well. Main flaw seems like his skating which is something that can be worked on.

http://www.tsn.ca/10-logan-brown-c-1.471234

2nd rounder looks like he could be a decent pick too.

Leafs land Rychel for a mediocre prospect. Not sure why Dorian couldn't try to pull the same thing.

Leafs land Rychel for a mediocre prospect. Not sure why Dorian couldn't try to pull the same thing.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Because he is not LOU!

Leafs land Rychel for a mediocre prospect. Not sure why Dorian couldn't try to pull the same thing.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

dude, Rychel is hardly a "can't miss" prospect either. guy projects to probably be an okay 3rd line player.......what would ottawa have done with him, he's basically another puempel, prince, dzingel type player.

dude, Rychel is hardly a "can't miss" prospect either. guy projects to probably be an okay 3rd line player.......what would ottawa have done with him, he's basically another puempel, prince, dzingel type player.
- sensarmy_11

When did I say he was a can't miss guy?

He's former 1st round pick (few picks after the all coveted Lazar). He would have been an NHL ready prospect rather than everyone we drafted yesterday who won't be ready for 3 more year most likely.

I don't think he will amount to an elite player, but would have been something to work with. He's only 21. Still room to improve at the professional level The price wasn't steep to get him.

I guess I'm a little disappointed overall in that Dorian didn't make a move for a roster player. Still time to address that though. We can't go into the year with the same roster as last year and expect different results. I want a move bigger than Rychel of course. I just think he would have been an easy addition.

When did I say he was a can't miss guy?

He's former 1st round pick (few picks after the all coveted Lazar). He would have been an NHL ready prospect rather than everyone we drafted yesterday who won't be ready for 3 more year most likely.

I don't think he will amount to an elite player, but would have been something to work with. He's only 21. Still room to improve at the professional level The price wasn't steep to get him.

I guess I'm a little disappointed overall in that Dorian didn't make a move for a roster player. Still time to address that though. We can't go into the year with the same roster as last year and expect different results. I want a move bigger than Rychel of course. I just think he would have been an easy addition.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Note the lack of movement overall yesterday. Not very much happening. Detroit dealing Datsyuk just adds to the grid lock. A bunch of teams want to make some big moves. There are some very good players about to be moved. My guess is the guys who are patient will have the option of looking at deciding on some very top talent that might be made available.

Note the lack of movement overall yesterday. Not very much happening. Detroit dealing Datsyuk just adds to the grid lock. A bunch of teams want to make some big moves. There are some very good players about to be moved. My guess is the guys who are patient will have the option of looking at deciding on some very top talent that might be made available.
- spatso

Ya. I don't disagree with that. Teams are setting prices way too high for players it seems.

When did I say he was a can't miss guy?

He's former 1st round pick (few picks after the all coveted Lazar). He would have been an NHL ready prospect rather than everyone we drafted yesterday who won't be ready for 3 more year most likely.

I don't think he will amount to an elite player, but would have been something to work with. He's only 21. Still room to improve at the professional level The price wasn't steep to get him.

I guess I'm a little disappointed overall in that Dorian didn't make a move for a roster player. Still time to address that though. We can't go into the year with the same roster as last year and expect different results. I want a move bigger than Rychel of course. I just think he would have been an easy addition.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Making a move just for the sake of making a move seems ridiculous. Reychl probably doesn't even start the year in ottawa, and if he does, it's likely as a 4th liner.

Hardly any moves were made yesterday.....and.certainly nothing I would consider "impactful". I'd rather pierre wait for the right move rather than rush something just to make a move.

Ya. I don't disagree with that. Teams are setting prices way too high for players it seems.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

But it also about a structured order. There are a bunch of team with cap trouble. And only a few teams with cap space and enough good prospects to be able to do a deal without having to send salary back. Columbus, Edmonton, LA, Tampa all have huge cap headaches.

Edmonton is the most curios They want to sign Lucic (probably $6m) and they ended up drafting Puhljarvi that will probably cost $4m with bonuses next year. They need D and they need to move salary. Hall, NuHop etc., someone is moving.

But it also about a structured order. There are a bunch of team with cap trouble. And only a few teams with cap space and enough good prospects to be able to do a deal without having to send salary back. Columbus, Edmonton, LA, Tampa all have huge cap headaches.

Edmonton is the most curios They want to sign Lucic (probably $6m) and they ended up drafting Puhljarvi that will probably cost $4m with bonuses next year. They need D and they need to move salary. Hall, NuHop etc., someone is moving.
- spatso

Didn't you read EKs thread...we're getting Yak and RNH

Didn't you read EKs thread...we're getting Yak and RNH
- sensarmy_11

RNH actually makes sense except how many centres do we need on the ice at the same time. It could be done. But nobody wants to give up a Dman.

Making a move just for the sake of making a move seems ridiculous. Reychl probably doesn't even start the year in ottawa, and if he does, it's likely as a 4th liner.

Hardly any moves were made yesterday.....and.certainly nothing I would consider "impactful". I'd rather pierre wait for the right move rather than rush something just to make a move.
- sensarmy_11

Picking up Rychel was a good move by the Leafs. I know you hate them with a passion, but it was more than a move for the sake of making a move. Personally, a 21 year old prospect who was taken in the 1st round is worth looking at if he's made available, especially for a cheap price. If it works out, great, if not, you didn't give up anything significant in the process. I think he's a better prospect than you take him for. Just differing opinion there. No harm done.

It's true, not too many moves were made at all. Price seems to high for the players that are said to be available. Perhaps after July 1 things will kick into another gear with free agents available. Maybe they are waiting on the Hoffman case to play out to shop hard or not.

RNH actually makes sense except how many centres do we need on the ice at the same time. It could be done. But nobody wants to give up a Dman.
- spatso

It's no secret they want d-men. The only d-man I can see being available if RNH is in the equation is Chabot. They aren't moving Ceci. Dion and Methot won't start any talks. And Karlsson, well, isn't going anywhere.

I just don't see a match with the Oil and Sens. Yak could probably be had at a decent price, but we all know he isn't the sniper he was touted to be.

Picking up Rychel was a good move by the Leafs. I know you hate them with a passion, but it was more than a move for the sake of making a move. Personally, a 21 year old prospect who was taken in the 1st round is worth looking at if he's made available, especially for a cheap price. If it works out, great, if not, you didn't give up anything significant in the process. I think he's a better prospect than you take him for. Just differing opinion there. No harm done.

It's true, not too many moves were made at all. Price seems to high for the players that are said to be available. Perhaps after July 1 things will kick into another gear with free agents available. Maybe they are waiting on the Hoffman case to play out to shop hard or not.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

it's not that i think he's a bad prospect......i just think, for ottawa, it's just a move to make a move. like i said, we have quite a few "Rychel's" on our team/system already.

i don't hate the leafs to the point where i can't respect what they're doing. i agree that for them the move was fine.....my point was more directed at you saying that dorion missed out. i'd rather he save assets and make a move that will acutally help this team win.....getting Reychl isn't that move.

It's no secret they want d-men. The only d-man I can see being available if RNH is in the equation is Chabot. They aren't moving Ceci. Dion and Methot won't start any talks. And Karlsson, well, isn't going anywhere.

I just don't see a match with the Oil and Sens. Yak could probably be had at a decent price, but we all know he isn't the sniper he was touted to be.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

with ottawa drafting brown yesterday (instead of a d-man) i don't think moving Ceci is a good idea. i had said previously that moving him wouldn't be a terrible idea, but i felt comfortable that ottawa was actually taking a dman. I agree that Chabot wouldn't be nearly enough to get RNH.....sens would need to add another significant asset.

it's not that i think he's a bad prospect......i just think, for ottawa, it's just a move to make a move. like i said, we have quite a few "Rychel's" on our team/system already.

i don't hate the leafs to the point where i can't respect what they're doing. i agree that for them the move was fine.....my point was more directed at you saying that dorion missed out. i'd rather he save assets and make a move that will acutally help this team win.....getting Reychl isn't that move.
- sensarmy_11

That's where our opinions differ. You say he's just as good as Puemple, Dzingle, Prince, like it's fact. He's a decent prospect who is younger than those guys that can grow a bit in the right system in my opinion.

My original point was that it hardly took an asset to get him. It's not like we wold have had to given up Colin White or Chabot. What would it have costed the Sens? Puemple? Wideman? Boro? Toss in a 4th rounder? These are hardly pieces that would be used to get a bigger piece should they go that route.

Dog days of summer here. Just debating for the sake of debating.

with ottawa drafting brown yesterday (instead of a d-man) i don't think moving Ceci is a good idea. i had said previously that moving him wouldn't be a terrible idea, but i felt comfortable that ottawa was actually taking a dman. I agree that Chabot wouldn't be nearly enough to get RNH.....sens would need to add another significant asset.
- sensarmy_11

Edmonton rumours aside, you have to think Dorian makes a play for a d-man by trade or free agency. Trading d-men away aside, if just one of Karlsson, Ceci, Methot, Dion go down due to injury, our blueline looks just awful.

with ottawa drafting brown yesterday (instead of a d-man) i don't think moving Ceci is a good idea. i had said previously that moving him wouldn't be a terrible idea, but i felt comfortable that ottawa was actually taking a dman. I agree that Chabot wouldn't be nearly enough to get RNH.....sens would need to add another significant asset.
- sensarmy_11

I think Brown was always their best hope option. They probably had a better book on this kid than anybody else in the draft. I think they got the guy they wanted. Senators love local kids and Brown is pretty close to a full local.

That's where our opinions differ. You say he's just as good as Puemple, Dzingle, Prince, like it's fact. He's a decent prospect who is younger than those guys that can grow a bit in the right system in my opinion.

My original point was that it hardly took an asset to get him. It's not like we wold have had to given up Colin White or Chabot. What would it have costed the Sens? Puemple? Wideman? Boro? Toss in a 4th rounder? These are hardly pieces that would be used to get a bigger piece should they go that route.

Dog days of summer here. Just debating for the sake of debating.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

agree to disagree i guess. Rychel put up very similar numbers to the guys i mentioned at pretty much every level, including the NHL. at the absolute most he's a slight improvement over puempel.....maybe. lateral move IMO.

Edmonton rumours aside, you have to think Dorian makes a play for a d-man by trade or free agency. Trading d-men away aside, if just one of Karlsson, Ceci, Methot, Dion go down due to injury, our blueline looks just awful.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

i'd love for them to kick tires on fowler.....although you have to think that edmonton makes the best offer for him.