Let's remove Sanhiem from the equation. What does Schenn and 18 get you? I think that is a far more interesting move for us. Keep Sanhiem. No Yak.
I'm thinking it gets you to the 7-11 range. Brown, Jost, Keller. That type of move would intrigue me. - hereticpride
You want to give away a 60 point player who isn't even in the prime of his career yet, on a team that cant score now, to move up 7-11 spots in a draft to get a player who might score 60+ points in 3+ years? The draft has basically 2 franchise players, 2-3 players who probably have a ceiling in the neighborhood of Schenn, and then a ton of parity as far as player evaluations between pick 5-18. Everyone is entitlted to their own opinion but I just dont understand this logic or the intrigue of this. Not a single expert I have read has indicated this is a draft where you are going to get a franchise or garaunteed stud player after pick 2.
Schenn and Sanheim might get moved today but what I'm saying is, I wouldn't do this. Schenn was one of our best players down the stretch and Sanheim hasn't played as a pro yet. I understand the need to stock for the future but you have to consider today's roster too.
I say take Max Jones or a talented LW. We need help there and there is always next year.
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Jun 24 @ 10:58 AM ET
This is a perfect example of Gudas being effective. Stepping up and causing a hit/turnover at the blue line and BAM! — the puck in the back of the net on the transition. You can get burned just as easily if it fails - but having that option there - is enough, as Bill mentioned, to deter some players from zooming in across the zone.
Foligno got upset but the hit (attempt) was clean and he only potentially hurt himself trying to avoid it.
I'm stoked this guy is signed for 4 more years even at a slight overpayment.
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Jun 24 @ 11:02 AM ET
You want to give away a 60 point player who isn't even in the prime of his career yet, on a team that cant score now, to move up 7-11 spots in a draft to get a player who might score 60+ points in 3+ years? The draft has basically 2 franchise players, 2-3 players who probably have a ceiling in the neighborhood of Schenn, and then a ton of parity as far as player evaluations between pick 5-18. Everyone is entitlted to their own opinion but I just dont understand this logic or the intrigue of this. Not a single expert I have read has indicated this is a draft where you are going to get a franchise or garaunteed stud player after pick 2. - FlyerAdam30
Schenn did have a career year. I just feel that this lineup needs tweaking as they remain a poor puck possession/5 on 5 team. You can't build offense from the PP out. For the right player to help address that I would make a move. I won't move to 4 just to move to 4 though. It has to make the team better in the long run.
You want to give away a 60 point player who isn't even in the prime of his career yet, on a team that cant score now, to move up 7-11 spots in a draft to get a player who might score 60+ points in 3+ years? The draft has basically 2 franchise players, 2-3 players who probably have a ceiling in the neighborhood of Schenn, and then a ton of parity as far as player evaluations between pick 5-18. Everyone is entitlted to their own opinion but I just dont understand this logic or the intrigue of this. Not a single expert I have read has indicated this is a draft where you are going to get a franchise or garaunteed stud player after pick 2. - FlyerAdam30
Exactly -- you can't minimize Schenn's 60 points. I have been as critical of the player as anyone. But you cannot just blink at 60 freaking points
That's what you look for at four, five, six. That's what you are trying to get. I am not trying to wait until 2019 to see if somebody else can do what Schenn already did
the point is people will always knock a player until he helps. Even Schenn was someone people knocked until basically this year. Now he has become this untouchable asset.
It could be any player. People will knock any player until he helps their team.
Exactly -- you can't minimize Schenn's 60 points. I have been as critical of the player as anyone. But you cannot just blink at 60 freaking points
That's what you look for at four, five, six. That's what you are trying to get. I am not trying to wait until 2019 to see if somebody else can do what Schenn already did - AllInForFlyers
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Jun 24 @ 11:03 AM ET
Let's remove Sanhiem from the equation. What does Schenn and 18 get you? I think that is a far more interesting move for us. Keep Sanhiem. No Yak.
I'm thinking it gets you to the 7-11 range. Brown, Jost, Keller. That type of move would intrigue me. - hereticpride
I'm not into it. Sanheim to me holds more value than just trading him away and the 18th pick with just a chance to move up a couple of slots. Sanheim's ceiling is limitless at this point. Why not see it through?
This is a perfect example of Gudas being effective. Stepping up and causing a hit/turnover at the blue line and BAM! — the puck in the back of the net on the transition. You can get burned just as easily if it fails - but having that option there - is enough, as Bill mentioned, to deter some players from zooming in across the zone.
Foligno got upset but the hit (attempt) was clean and he only potentially hurt himself trying to avoid it.
I'm stoked this guy is signed for 4 more years even at a slight overpayment.
- Pixote Andolini
As the season went on Gudas got better at timing his hip checks but early on he was awful, and when he misses completely, look out.
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Jun 24 @ 11:09 AM ET
As the season went on Gudas got better at timing his hip checks but early on he was awful, and when he misses completely, look out. - Scoob
Yeah he was running around like a wildman in the early going and leaving the team high and dry. I like that he adjusted and actually settled his game down as the season went on. I like his right-handed blast as well. He's got some nice velocity.
So you are saying Yakupov and four for Schenn, Sanheim and a second?
I still wouldn't, because again, Yakupov very likely can't do what Schenn does, the four won't do it until Giroux and Voracek are in their 30s, and you still dumped Sanheim - AllInForFlyers
no, just a 2nd for Yak. straight up, nothing else. i get the feeling some people just dont want him whatsoever, dont even want to give up a high draft pick for him.
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Jun 24 @ 11:10 AM ET
You want to give away a 60 point player who isn't even in the prime of his career yet, on a team that cant score now, to move up 7-11 spots in a draft to get a player who might score 60+ points in 3+ years? The draft has basically 2 franchise players, 2-3 players who probably have a ceiling in the neighborhood of Schenn, and then a ton of parity as far as player evaluations between pick 5-18. Everyone is entitlted to their own opinion but I just dont understand this logic or the intrigue of this. Not a single expert I have read has indicated this is a draft where you are going to get a franchise or garaunteed stud player after pick 2. - FlyerAdam30
I believe Schenn tops out at 60 points. Id be surprised if he is a regular at 60. He's also not the type to make others around him better so his point totals inflate his true value. The idea of trading Schenn would be to find a guy who can reach his peak when the young defenseman reach theirs. That way the forwards are staggered in age instead of all of them being late 20s early 30s when the defensemen are mid 20s.
I'm not into it. Sanheim to me holds more value than just trading him away and the 18th pick with just a chance to move up a couple of slots. Sanheim's ceiling is limitless at this point. Why not see it through? - Pixote Andolini
EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He could be the next seabrook
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Jun 24 @ 11:11 AM ET
Not for a lack of trying though.
They'll get their PG with Sacramentos pick next year. The Kings are going to be trash. - hereticpride
They have the laker pick next and a pick swap with the Kings. Colangelo just needs to be patient. Just overpay some dude in FA this year on a 1 or 2 year deal
I just think you're hurting the teams chances by putting him in the top six. Kind of diluting the product if you will. - hereticpride
no one on the current team has been able to play on Giroux's left with any consistency. stacking voracek G and simmer on the top line obviously hasnt worked either.
keeping schenn and coots together i think is a no brainer, and keepign voracek with coots will open up ice for his offensive play. keeping G and simmer together is also the right move, and maybe putting Yak on his left coudl help. for a second, and maybe add in a 4th or 5th, i woudl absolutely try.
I'm not into it. Sanheim to me holds more value than just trading him away and the 18th pick with just a chance to move up a couple of slots. Sanheim's ceiling is limitless at this point. Why not see it through? - Pixote Andolini
Exactly -- you can't minimize Schenn's 60 points. I have been as critical of the player as anyone. But you cannot just blink at 60 freaking points - AllInForFlyers
Well you can minimize a little. Last year he had a much higher shooting percentage than at any point in his career. At his normal percentage, he would have only scored 20. And that's probably what he will be is a 20 goal 50+ pt guy, which is a very nice player. But that's far from being a difference maker IMO since he doesn't contribute in other areas except physicality some times. If the Flyers can get similar production out of a potential top two way center, I would trade him in a minute. I guess it just depends on how you view the center prospects in this draft.
