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wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jun 24 @ 6:14 PM ET
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 6m6 minutes ago
EDM staff consulting with GM Peter Chiarelli at table. Something significant is being contemplated.

- PhillySportsGuy


They'e discussing the deja vu of having another top pick and how the matrix must be broken cause their team still sucks.

Yak is the One.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 6:14 PM ET
Yup
- PhillySportsGuy


Double yup
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 6:14 PM ET
Yak for EKane I bet.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 24 @ 6:14 PM ET
First of all, I agree 100% with everything you stated here. I'm just amazed at how you came around on Schenn.
- MJL


Again: I can admit when I'm wrong. He had high shooting percentage last year, yes, but honestly, he has shown that he is going to be a 50-ish point player in the league, and I choose to believe that as he gets older, he is going to be a determined player

I was down on him when he would got 8/10/12-plus games without a point, because to me, that's just nothing more than not wanting to be a factor. He was too talented to be that inconsistent

But he had a strong finish to the year before last, which i discounted as garbage time points. He was a different player to me this year, with and without Couturier, sometimes with Giroux. He did the job at the level it needed to get done and for once, instead of him being a reason they missed the playoffs, he was one of the three or four biggest reasons they made it, with Ghost and Simmonds and Mason/Neuvirth
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 6:14 PM ET
No, 1 million is not the difference. I think Simmonds is better than Schenn. He's also older. I am OK with trading either if it's not for the sake of it and meant to improve our chances as a perennial Cup contender in a few years. They each have their trade merits. Simmonds still has 3 years on his sweetheart deal though.

You sign Schenn if nothing presents itself and live with it. I simply think Schenn is a good, not great, overrated player that benefits from usage. I don't view him as a core piece. If you can trade him for what you view as a future core piece, it's an understandable trade in my book. I don't think we will be a Cup contender because of having or not having Brayden Schenn.

- Mononoke


This is exactly how, many of the analytics community, for lack of a better term, goes off the deep end. How Schenn was used, is exactly how a player with his skill set should be used. Instead of looking at it as part of the strategy of the game, and using players in the right role, it's used as a criticism to downplay how good a player is. That's the convenience of analytics for some. Use them any way you want to, to make your case.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 24 @ 6:17 PM ET
Can you imagine if a team managed to draft Keller AND Bellows and pair them together in the NHL? OMG.

Bellows-Keller-Weal
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 6:18 PM ET
LEIGHT!
- PhillySportsGuy


NEVER
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 24 @ 6:18 PM ET
BigE is sober
- PhillySportsGuy

That's why it's raining here, I guess
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 6:18 PM ET
Never forget.
- Mononoke


Is she going to be on the draft show?
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 24 @ 6:18 PM ET
Can you imagine if a team managed to draft Keller AND Bellows and pair them together in the NHL? OMG.

Bellows-Keller-Weal

- Mononoke


Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 24 @ 6:19 PM ET
Is she going to be on the draft show?
- MJL


Probably. Down boy, down!
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 24 @ 6:20 PM ET
Rangers reportedly trying to trade Girardi and Staal. That's a good one
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 6:21 PM ET
Rangers reportedly trying to trade Girardi and Staal. That's a good one
- Mononoke

It sounds like they are trying to trade everyone. I love it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 6:21 PM ET
Again: I can admit when I'm wrong. He had high shooting percentage last year, yes, but honestly, he has shown that he is going to be a 50-ish point player in the league, and I choose to believe that as he gets older, he is going to be a determined player

I was down on him when he would got 8/10/12-plus games without a point, because to me, that's just nothing more than not wanting to be a factor. He was too talented to be that inconsistent

But he had a strong finish to the year before last, which i discounted as garbage time points. He was a different player to me this year, with and without Couturier, sometimes with Giroux. He did the job at the level it needed to get done and for once, instead of him being a reason they missed the playoffs, he was one of the three or four biggest reasons they made it, with Ghost and Simmonds and Mason/Neuvirth

- AllInForFlyers


I don't think it matters if you were wrong or not, everyone is wrong at one time or another. I think what matters is looking at why a conclusion was wrong. Hell, you may still up right. He may decline. Never know. I don't think so, but we never know. I also think those saying this team wouldn't miss Schenn and he can replaced, are wrong. This is a team that needs more offense as it is. Taking away Schenn would hurt them significantly. Suggesting Gagner as a replacement, is actually funny.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jun 24 @ 6:21 PM ET
Rangers reportedly trying to trade Girardi and Staal. That's a good one
- Mononoke


I go back and forth on who is more undesirable: Dustin Brown or Girardi
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 24 @ 6:22 PM ET
Yak for EKane I bet.
- hereticpride


The rare bad move for both teams
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Jun 24 @ 6:22 PM ET
At draft... Hexy not talking to other gms last 45 minutes or so
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 24 @ 6:22 PM ET
Never forget.
- Mononoke

hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 6:23 PM ET
The rare bad move for both teams
- PhillySportsGuy

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 24 @ 6:23 PM ET
Can you imagine if a team managed to draft Keller AND Bellows and pair them together in the NHL? OMG.

Bellows-Keller-Weal

- Mononoke


But we wouldn't see them until 2017 so it's not worth it
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 24 @ 6:23 PM ET
I go back and forth on who is more undesirable: Dustin Brown or Girardi
- AllInForFlyers


Oh it's Girardi.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 24 @ 6:23 PM ET

- Giroux_Is_God


One of the signature gifs. #honored
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 24 @ 6:23 PM ET
At draft... Hexy not talking to other gms last 45 minutes or so
- SMS4016

His poker face is on point
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 24 @ 6:24 PM ET
I go back and forth on who is more undesirable: Dustin Brown or Girardi
- AllInForFlyers


It's gotta be Girardi. He actively makes his team worse
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 24 @ 6:24 PM ET
I can't wait until all these nice young prospects get murdered by Gudas
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