This is interesting:

http://www.theverge.com/2...t-suzanne-vega-toms-diner

Of course. Here's my yearbook picture.


- Scoob

haha, fantastic.

So trading Schenn is making us the Sixers?

Well someone is accounted for...we are still waiting to find out where S2TP is
- YuenglingJagr

didnt we land on him trying to figure out a new handle?

Would you guys do Schenn, Neuvy, Hagg, 2nd for Calgary's #6 pick? How far off am I ? Too much?

So trading Schenn is making us the Sixers?
- hereticpride

No, but it's a move straight from the Hinkie handbook.

Get a good player and flip him for draft picks who may/may not be better in 4-5 years time.

Would you guys do Schenn, Neuvy, Hagg, 2nd for Calgary's #6 pick? How far off am I ? Too much?
- arichardson22

Nothanx

I don't want the Flyers to be the Sixers where we just keep trading our drafted players for more draft picks. At some point, we have to be happy with what we have and give the guys a chance to play. So, I say keep Sanheim and Morin and let's see what they can do this year. In order for me to move them, it would have to be a ridiculous overpayment (and no, I will not be giving random examples of that).
- jmatchett383

yea, im on that side too, as much as i want keller, i wouldnt want to give up anyone weve had in our system yet. sanheim should be here this year as a call up or very latest 17-18, i dont want that to be pushed back a year or two either.

Would you guys do Schenn, Neuvy, Hagg, 2nd for Calgary's #6 pick? How far off am I ? Too much?
- arichardson22

Gotta think they would want 18 over Hagg and a 2nd

No, but it's a move straight from the Hinkie handbook.

Get a good player and flip him for draft picks who may/may not be better in 4-5 years time.
- jmatchett383

Nah, the Hinkie move would be to trade Ghost to Columbus for their 2018 1st.

No, but it's a move straight from the Hinkie handbook.

Get a good player and flip him for draft picks who may/may not be better in 4-5 years time.
- jmatchett383

To be fair, Hinkie flipped good players who overproduced when with 76ers. Holiday got us Noel and had health issues, and MCW isn't even that good at all anymore with the Bucks. Hinkie's moves have set the 76ers up nicely. I'm not saying Flyers should do it but Hinkie deserves credit for how those PGs eventually turned out despite trading them stinging at the initial time

They could start by showing games - stanley cup games- on a regular (frank)ing channel instead of this NBCSN bullpoop.
- PhillySportsGuy

That's the chicken/egg problem right there. NHL's popularity isn't getting them a major US tv deal.

No, but it's a move straight from the Hinkie handbook.

Get a good player and flip him for draft picks who may/may not be better in 4-5 years time.
- jmatchett383

No. It comes down to if you think Schenn is overvalued on the market and don't want to pay him $5+ mil for 5 years because you don't rate him as highly internally. And if you can use this to your advantage to improve your team long term. It comes down to if you think he is a part of the core.

That's the chicken/egg problem right there. NHL's popularity isn't getting them a major US tv deal.
- wolfhounds

as stupid as the world cup is...its the first time hockey will be on espn in over a decade...might make some people pay attention

To be fair, Hinkie flipped good players who overproduced when with 76ers. Holiday got us Noel and had health issues, and MCW isn't even that good at all anymore with the Bucks. Hinkie's moves have set the 76ers up nicely. I'm not saying Flyers should do it but Hinkie deserves credit for how those PGs eventually turned out despite trading them stinging at the initial time
- arichardson22

Well, so far, Noel and the return for MCW have really paid huge dividends at the NBA level. It's not like they remained terrible after trading those players or anything.

Seriously, can we see them win a few (frank)ing games before proclaiming the Hinkie trades to be genius? None of the moves he made have translated to a lick of success at the NBA level, yet people just want to suck his Richard all day long.

No. It comes down to if you think Schenn is overvalued on the market and don't want to pay him $5+ mil for 5 years because you don't rate him as highly internally. And if you can use this to your advantage to improve your team long term.
- Mononoke

is 1 million dollars really the difference between why Schenn should get traded and not Simmonds? to me timing is just as important as overvalued assests

No. It comes down to if you think Schenn is overvalued on the market and don't want to pay him $5+ mil for 5 years because you don't rate him as highly internally. And if you can use this to your advantage to improve your team long term. It comes down to if you think he is a part of the core.
- Mononoke

Cool, so let's let Jake and Giroux age another 3 years while we can hopefully get a player who may/may not be as good as Schenn.

I'm all for making moves to make the team better, but it would have to make them better both now and in the future, not to be worse now and maybe be better in 3-5 years.

No. It comes down to if you think Schenn is overvalued on the market and don't want to pay him $5+ mil for 5 years because you don't rate him as highly internally. And if you can use this to your advantage to improve your team long term.
- Mononoke

But you are totally downplaying the "if" the asset you acquire even makes it -- there's no getting around the fact that Brayden Schenn is an NHL player. Even when I was all over him, nobody ever heard me say he wasn't an NHL player.

There is always risk that these guys are Brett Connolly, or worse, Zach Hamill.

Could you overvalue Schenn on a deal? Sure. Is it better to keep rolling the dice for guys who wind up with zero value? I don't see how that's possible.

Use Schenn in a package for a roster player, fine. Go for it. Use Schenn for a draft pick? That's not for me. I understand the position of others, but to me, that is not how to do it.

But you are totally downplaying the "if" the asset you acquire even makes it -- there's no getting around the fact that Brayden Schenn is an NHL player. Even when I was all over him, nobody ever heard me say he wasn't an NHL player.

There is always risk that these guys are Brett Connolly, or worse, Zach Hamill.

Could you overvalue Schenn on a deal? Sure. Is it better to keep rolling the dice for guys who wind up with zero value? I don't see how that's possible.

Use Schenn in a package for a roster player, fine. Go for it. Use Schenn for a draft pick? That's not for me. I understand the position of others, but to me, that is not how to do it.
- AllInForFlyers

Come on man, these kids are all can't miss superstars, which is why they're in the top-12 of a weak/average draft. It's 10000% guaranteed they were be superstars.

is 1 million dollars really the difference between why Schenn should get traded and not Simmonds? to me timing is just as important as overvalued assests
- YuenglingJagr

No, 1 million is not the difference. I think Simmonds is better than Schenn. He's also older. I am OK with trading either if it's not for the sake of it and meant to improve our chances as a perennial Cup contender in a few years. They each have their trade merits. Simmonds still has 3 years on his sweetheart deal though.

You sign Schenn if nothing presents itself and live with it. I simply think Schenn is a good, not great, overrated player that benefits from usage. I don't view him as a core piece. If you can trade him for what you view as a future core piece, it's an understandable trade in my book. I don't think we will be a Cup contender because of having or not having Brayden Schenn.

No, 1 million is not the difference. I think Simmonds is better than Schenn. He's also older. I am OK with trading either if it's not for the sake of it and meant to improve our chances as a perennial Cup contender in a few years. They each have their trade merits. Simmonds still has 3 years on his sweetheart deal though.

You sign Schenn if nothing presents itself and live with it. I simply think Schenn is a good, not great, overrated player that benefits from usage. I don't view him as a core piece. If you can trade him for what you view as a future core piece, it's an understandable trade in my book. I don't think we will be a Cup contender because of having or not having Brayden Schenn.
- Mononoke

Cool, let's trade Braydon Schenn and miss the playoff 2 of the next 3 years while the can't-miss prospects we trade him for simmer in juniors/AHL.

Rebuild, rebuild, rebuild, rebuild, etc.

Enjoy the draft, I hope we trade everyone so we can get some sweet, can't-miss superstars prospects which we can then trade in 3-4 years for some can't-miss superstar prospects. Good night.

Cool, let's trade Braydon Schenn and miss the playoff 2 of the next 3 years while the can't-miss prospects we trade him for simmer in juniors/AHL.

Rebuild, rebuild, rebuild, rebuild, etc.

Enjoy the draft, I hope we trade everyone so we can get some sweet, can't-miss superstars prospects. Good night.
- jmatchett383

i think your guys arguments stems from one simple disagreement. and thats one of u dont think schenn is a core piece, one of u think he is. thats the difference. you dont trade core pieces when they are still a year from entering their prime coming off a 60 point season, no one does, thats lunacy.

but if you dont think hes a core player and u think the career year is more of a contract year, who else is gonna score scenario, then yea you can talk about trading him.

or its 5 oclock on friday and my brain cant read between the lines anymore this week

Cool, let's trade Braydon Schenn and miss the playoff 2 of the next 3 years while the can't-miss prospects we trade him for simmer in juniors/AHL.

Rebuild, rebuild, rebuild, rebuild, etc.

Enjoy the draft, I hope we trade everyone so we can get some sweet, can't-miss superstars prospects which we can then trade in 3-4 years for some can't-miss superstar prospects. Good night.
- jmatchett383

Going to bed at 5 pm?

Come on man, these kids are all can't miss superstars, which is why they're in the top-12 of a weak/average draft. It's 10000% guaranteed they were be superstars.
- jmatchett383

I just don't get it. We use the phrase "make us better in the long term" like that is a guarantee that it will happen, but when you're drafting 18-year-old kids, that guarantee isn't there for anyone, not to mention the fact that 30 other teams are trying to do the same thing.

No, 1 million is not the difference. I think Simmonds is better than Schenn. He's also older. I am OK with trading either if it's not for the sake of it and meant to improve our chances as a perennial Cup contender in a few years. They each have their trade merits. Simmonds still has 3 years on his sweetheart deal though.

You sign Schenn if nothing presents itself and live with it. I simply think Schenn is a good, not great, overrated player that benefits from usage. I don't view him as a core piece. If you can trade him for what you view as a future core piece, it's an understandable trade in my book. I don't think we will be a Cup contender because of having or not having Brayden Schenn.
- Mononoke

I think we agree for the most part. Obviously the Flyers have to identify what they think he is worth, both to the team, and in cap dollars. But the decision of trading him because hes not part of the core doesnt have to come now. He can be resigned and traded a year or 3 later. He still has value to the Flyers right now to where it might not be worth trading him now.