So we should trade Schenn+ for a top 10 pick and take Clayton Keller? Did I read this right?
- Mononoke

This has to be a joke.
- jak521

maybe he was hoping it'd be:
A) sooner
B) a public execution
C) both

This has to be a joke.
- jak521

yea i cant make virtual jokes anymore, i think my delivery is off

RAJ goes down as my most hated philly executive ever, just to be clear

sat next to him at a red robin at oxford valley tho once, seemed like a nice family guy.

but seriously (frank) him

I think the key point is that Schenn does have value and even overpaying him $1M per year isn't going to crush the Flyers. I just find the biggest concern to be their lack of young, high end forwards and I feel like dealing Schenn could address that. I worry that the forwards will be leaving their primes and they won't have enough guys to come in and pick up the slack. Guys like G and Voracek will still be effective, but they won't be the 70 point, all situation players they've been.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree with him having his most value now and that he could be used to truly address that high end forward need. Imo, if you move up with Schenn and find that forward, Schenn's production/points can be replaced via FA.

Yeah, I'm not wild about the league interfering. Maybe instead of pursuing regime change to end the symptoms they should've addressed the ailments that led to them. Or, just maybe, doing something was worse than doing nothing at all.

regardless, looks like the new guy hit a homerun yesterday, hopefully they can finish turning the franchise around. I won't pretend I've been there through thick and thin (or been there at all, really), but it wouldn't be so bad having a(nother?) good team in town.
- BulliesPhan87

I have been there without much of a choice considering we are part of their health coverage..... Its fun to finally see big things.

maybe he was hoping it'd be:
A) sooner
B) a public execution
C) both
- BulliesPhan87

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yea i cant make virtual jokes anymore, i think my delivery is off

RAJ goes down as my most hated philly executive ever, just to be clear

sat next to him at a red robin at oxford valley tho once, seemed like a nice family guy.

but seriously (frank) him
- sjk540

Seriously think you could have put Lenny Dykstra in there and he could have managed them better.

8 different teams have won an NBA championship in the past 33 years. All of those teams (with the exception of the 05 Pistons) had true Hall of Famers and superstars lead them there.

The Sixers needed to do something. They were stuck in the middle zone. Never good enough to make it to the next level, but not bad enough to get top picks. Only real way to change things up is to lose. Just the way that leauge works.

They made a radical decison. Hopefully it pays off.
- jak521

How do the Spurs manage every year then?

They failed one time for Duncan, which if I am not mistaken Robinson was hurt that year too.

They got Duncan and they then built around that. As Duncan got older they drafted Kwaihi, which was a trade with Indiana for George Hill.

How many lottery picks have they gotten?

They have now changed the core by making the vets role players and turning the team into Aldridge and Leanord.

I don't see where they needed to fail for 3 straight years to become reasonable.

yea i cant make virtual jokes anymore, i think my delivery is off

RAJ goes down as my most hated philly executive ever, just to be clear

sat next to him at a red robin at oxford valley tho once, seemed like a nice family guy.

but seriously (frank) him
- sjk540

RAJ seemed like a really nice guy.

He can be a really nice guy and a terrible GM (which, he kinda was).

wait...wait a minute...WAIT A MINUTE...

You were upset that ruben amaro was fired? like upset that he was still the GM long enough to be fired at that time? or legitimately felt that firing ruben amaro was a bad decision?
- YuenglingJagr

honestly, his first mistake was trading cliff lee just so he could restock our minor league teams because he felt they were empty.

his second was being born

To what mean? the one when he was not getting power play time? the one when he was shuffled around to all kinds of lines? the one when he was 19?

Also...the answer is shots. He takes more shots and goals will increase...during his "breakout" he did shoot a high percentage...but there was a noticeable increase in shot and chance totals
- YuenglingJagr

Except there wasn't. I broke this down the other day. He averaged 300 shots the last 2 seasons and shot like 20 more times this year. He actually shot more at ES 2 years ago than this year. That's isn't a noticeable increase. In fact, during his magic stretch where he shot over 18% during the second half and was almost a PPG player, his shot totals went DOWN by a whole shot.

How do the Spurs manage every year then?

They failed one time for Duncan, which if I am not mistaken Robinson was hurt that year too.

They got Duncan and they then built around that. As Duncan got older they drafted Kwaihi, which was a trade with Indiana for George Hill.

How many lottery picks have they gotten?

They have now changed the core by making the vets role players and turning the team into Aldridge and Leanord.

I don't see where they needed to fail for 3 straight years to become reasonable.
- J35Bacher

That's the exception to the rule. You have to get bad to get good in the NBA. It makes the sport damn near unwatchable when your team isn't winning.

I have been there without much of a choice considering we are part of their health coverage..... Its fun to finally see big things.
- jak521

what really wouldve been fun, and hurts equally as the fun im imagining, is what would hinkie have done last night?

RAJ seemed like a really nice guy.

He can be a really nice guy and a terrible GM (which, he kinda was).
- johndewar

terrible is being generous brotha!

honestly, his first mistake was trading cliff lee just so he could restock our minor league teams because he felt they were empty.

his second was being born
- sjk540

RAJ was a beneficiary of nepotism for his entire professional life, actually.

So, I'm not sure HE views his birth as a mistake.

Yeah, I'm not wild about the league interfering. Maybe instead of pursuing regime change to end the symptoms they should've addressed the ailments that led to them. Or, just maybe, doing something was worse than doing nothing at all.

regardless, looks like the new guy hit a homerun yesterday, hopefully they can finish turning the franchise around. I won't pretend I've been there through thick and thin (or been there at all, really), but it wouldn't be so bad having a(nother?) good team in town.
- BulliesPhan87

The league tried to change the lottery rules by giving the top team far less of a chance to finish in the top 3 and giving them a very real chance of falling to 5th. The small market owners vetoed it because deep down inside, they all know that's their primary way of finding a star.

They resented Hinkie for having the balls to do something they've all wanted to do for a very long time and they were afraid he'd be successful. That's everyone's fear really. If Hinkie stuck around and built a dynasty, you'd have 5 teams trying to game the system every year. Getting Hinkie pushed out was a way of warning GMs that the plan might work, but you won't be around the reap the benefits.

terrible is being generous brotha!
- sjk540

I know, right?

And it's odd, too, because you would have thought, as a Stanford grad, that he would have been all about implementing some of the advanced analytic stuff other organizations were doing.

How do the Spurs manage every year then?

They failed one time for Duncan, which if I am not mistaken Robinson was hurt that year too.

They got Duncan and they then built around that. As Duncan got older they drafted Kwaihi, which was a trade with Indiana for George Hill.

How many lottery picks have they gotten?

They have now changed the core by making the vets role players and turning the team into Aldridge and Leanord.

I don't see where they needed to fail for 3 straight years to become reasonable.
- J35Bacher

also that PG they got last night at #28, from washington. seems like another guy who can absolutely ball, learn under parker, and it 2-3 years he becomes parker and the spurs basically replace manu duncan and parker with leonard aldridge and dejounte murray

The anointing was more that we finally had a GM who didn't make decisions based on "How can we win the next game!? I'll do whatever it takes." You see the same poop with Hexy all over this thread and Twitter. It's an amazing feeling when you have a GM you know won't do something stupid.

Plus, he won every trade he ever made. It's ridiculous.

People also just don't understand the situation he inherited. Bad team, capped out and first round picks owed to teams unless the Sixers finished with one of the 7 worst records. Basically had no other options.
- PhillySportsGuy

I guess I see it through the lens of comparison to Hextall's tenure. I find it a lot more impressive to successfully foist off some of the contracts the Flyers had than to, say, take a bad contract to gain a good pick. Not that the latter isn't a good thing, but it seems more obvious than genius.

Then again, the Hinkieites I know also thought Chip Kelly was a genius team builder for a bit too, so maybe I'm being unfair here.

RAJ was a beneficiary of nepotism for his entire professional life, actually.

So, I'm not sure HE views his birth as a mistake.
- johndewar

youre probably right, im assuming he would disagree with this point.

I know, right?

And it's odd, too, because you would have thought, as a Stanford grad, that he would have been all about implementing some of the advanced analytic stuff other organizations were doing.
- johndewar

yeah strange. top that off with he basically got to see pat gillick operate for a few years and saw how a contender is built, by low risk high reward signings while trying to groom home grown talent, and he still couldnt get it right.

he was basically trying to be steinbrenner without the resources, bravado, reputation, and nose

How do the Spurs manage every year then?

They failed one time for Duncan, which if I am not mistaken Robinson was hurt that year too.

They got Duncan and they then built around that. As Duncan got older they drafted Kwaihi, which was a trade with Indiana for George Hill.

How many lottery picks have they gotten?

They have now changed the core by making the vets role players and turning the team into Aldridge and Leanord.

I don't see where they needed to fail for 3 straight years to become reasonable.
- J35Bacher

When you have one of the best big men of all time, and you already have your hall of famer, thats how you win.

The Sixers needed to get that player. The last year they won the Ship Duncan was still their best player.

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- sjk540

"I ate near him once, nice guy... OFF WITH HIS HEAD"

Depends on +
- PhillySportsGuy

2nd or Hagg or someone. It would not be anything major

How do the Spurs manage every year then?

They failed one time for Duncan, which if I am not mistaken Robinson was hurt that year too.

They got Duncan and they then built around that. As Duncan got older they drafted Kwaihi, which was a trade with Indiana for George Hill.

How many lottery picks have they gotten?

They have now changed the core by making the vets role players and turning the team into Aldridge and Leanord.

I don't see where they needed to fail for 3 straight years to become reasonable.
- J35Bacher

The Spurs tanked for Robinson then tanked for Duncan after Robinson got hurt. The Admiral could have come back but they sat him out for the season. They finished with the 5th worst record and won the lottery and selected the consensus top pick who went on to become the greatest power forward in the history of basketball. THEY GOT LUCKY!

Without Duncan, they never win any titles.