It would be less risky to just bring back Hartnell
- PhillySportsGuy

yeah, pretty much

Schenn trade talk, eh?
Anyone see any potential targets? Picks or players or both?
Is he a guy St. Louis would be interested in (Shattenkirk?) Montreal (part of a package for Subban?)
- dmorin

The last thing we need to do is blow up this team by trading for D men.

I wouldn't take issue with Schenn and 18 for something like 7-10th overall, though many have already disagreed.

It may have been you, or someone else, but it was said Schenn does not make the players around him better. And I can't argue that. But briefly, lets go back before this season. Before this season, it seemed there were more Schenn naysayers than supporters; I'll admit I was a naysayer. I wasn't convinced with him and his role, as it was unestablished. Over the years, his hockey IQ was questioned; it was said so many times he looks lost out there on the ice, that he'd even become invisible without the puck and would disappear for long durations. With this season passed, he obviously took steps forward but I have much difficulty deciding if this season was him turning a corner to what he will consistently be, or as you said, just inflated stats with a very good contract year. I trust Hexy will make the right judgement in the end.
- arichardson22

I think the key point is that Schenn does have value and even overpaying him $1M per year isn't going to crush the Flyers. I just find the biggest concern to be their lack of young, high end forwards and I feel like dealing Schenn could address that. I worry that the forwards will be leaving their primes and they won't have enough guys to come in and pick up the slack. Guys like G and Voracek will still be effective, but they won't be the 70 point, all situation players they've been.

Sarcasm my good sir.
- hereticpride

understood. as u were

What I'm saying is that I don't believe Schenn will reproduce similar numbers as he had this year, so his value is going to go down. If the Flyers pay him a fair contract based on this year's numbers, it's not going to be attractive next offseason unless he produces 59 points and 26 goals.
- PhillySportsGuy

What makes you think he won't be able to put up similar numbers like he did this season?

What happens when his shooting percentage and PDO regress to the mean though?
- PhillySportsGuy

To what mean? the one when he was not getting power play time? the one when he was shuffled around to all kinds of lines? the one when he was 19?

Also...the answer is shots. He takes more shots and goals will increase...during his "breakout" he did shoot a high percentage...but there was a noticeable increase in shot and chance totals

It was the right decision. The truth is most people who have a problem with the whole Hinkie era didn't care about the Sixers, probably don't really care about basketball, and would have criticized the team for their everlasting mediocrity if they stayed the course.

The only part I didn't like, and this is a petty complaint, was the anointing of Hinkie as a genius for blowing up the team. That praise really should've been reserved for the building phase.
- BulliesPhan87

The real problem I have is the fact that the league stepped in and turned things over to the Collangelo's.

This team finally has something going for them.

Next year we add Embiid, Saric AND Simmonds. Thats huge. Hopefully they can dabble in free agency.

Next years draft I assume we will be picking around 16-18. However, with the Kings pick, we are seriously looking at a top 3 pick again. Lakers will probably be a top 10 pick.

Unreal.

EDIT: Also, next years draft has a ton of higher level guards in it. Perfect for the sixers.

8 teams in 33 years. Those include the Rockets (2x), Warriors (1), Mavericks (1).

So in 29 years only 5 different teams have won a championship. Hell, if Jordan didnt leave for baseball camp, Houston may have never even won.
- jak521

very true. thats why the NBA is so sad. the nhl hasnt had a repeat winner since the red wings 20 years ago.

going one stop further, if jordan never came back to basketball, maybe you add one team to that list (jazz) but i can guarantee u it would be either houston or utah winning those 3 championships up for grabs.

all repeats and no parity makes jack a dull boy

The real problem I have is the fact that the league stepped in and turned things over to the Collangelo's.

This team finally has something going for them.

Next year we add Embiid, Saric AND Simmonds. Thats huge. Hopefully they can dabble in free agency.

Next years draft I assume we will be picking around 16-18. However, with the Kings pick, we are seriously looking at a top 3 pick again. Lakers will probably be a top 10 pick.

Unreal.
- jak521

ive never been more upset over a front office move probably in my life. made me hate the nba that much more. well, not in my life, i was really peeved when ruben amaro was fired...

very true. thats why the NBA is so sad. the nhl hasnt had a repeat winner since the red wings 20 years ago.

going one stop further, if jordan never came back to basketball, maybe you add one team to that list (jazz) but i can guarantee u it would be either houston or utah winning those 3 championships up for grabs.

all repeats and no parity makes jack a dull boy
- sjk540

yet more people care about it.

the nba and nhl have gone two different directions. yeah its easier for anyone to go play basketball than it is to play ice hockey...but one league builds up their star players to the max and the other downplays it beyond belief.

Seriously? He's an RFA not a UFA. I don't see a scenario where moving Schenn makes sense for the Flyers. You've already got a top 6 forward with decent size and solid shot/finish. What are you looking for? Newer, shinier? The kid's part of the core IMO.
- Pixote Andolini

Don't we have plenty of examples of young-ish players who scored nice contracts and then never live up to them? 27 isn't some magic number.

You know hextall will select a player out In left field people. Like morin and sanheim. Everybody will go oh my god. Who's this? Waste of pick. Then.... Oh. He looks good. What a steal. Play him in NHL now. Lol

The last thing we need to do is blow up this team by trading for D men.

I wouldn't take issue with Schenn and 18 for something like 7-10th overall, though many have already disagreed.
- hereticpride

I vehemently disagree.

If it was Schenn, 18 and Sanheim for

10 Rantanen and Boedker thats tough but fair.

very true. thats why the NBA is so sad. the nhl hasnt had a repeat winner since the red wings 20 years ago.

going one stop further, if jordan never came back to basketball, maybe you add one team to that list (jazz) but i can guarantee u it would be either houston or utah winning those 3 championships up for grabs.

all repeats and no parity makes jack a dull boy
- sjk540

The NBA would have a phenomenal product on their hands if they contracted by about 10 teams and redistributed players appropriately. It sucks knowing just about where every team will finish before the season even starts.

ive never been more upset over a front office move probably in my life. made me hate the nba that much more. well, not in my life, i was really peeved when ruben amaro was fired...
- sjk540

This has to be a joke.

Eks rumor chart dried up quicker than my sex life
- Just5

I'm sorry for your loss. :-(

ive never been more upset over a front office move probably in my life. made me hate the nba that much more. well, not in my life, i was really peeved when ruben amaro was fired...
- sjk540

wait...wait a minute...WAIT A MINUTE...

You were upset that ruben amaro was fired? like upset that he was still the GM long enough to be fired at that time? or legitimately felt that firing ruben amaro was a bad decision?

The real problem I have is the fact that the league stepped in and turned things over to the Collangelo's.

This team finally has something going for them.

Next year we add Embiid, Saric AND Simmonds. Thats huge. Hopefully they can dabble in free agency.

Next years draft I assume we will be picking around 16-18. However, with the Kings pick, we are seriously looking at a top 3 pick again. Lakers will probably be a top 10 pick.

Unreal.

EDIT: Also, next years draft has a ton of higher level guards in it. Perfect for the sixers.
- jak521

The league had to do something about Hinkie. It was becoming a huge issue with the perception of the Sixers tanking.

This has to be a joke.
- jak521

im having an internal debate on whether id rather it be a joke or not

The real problem I have is the fact that the league stepped in and turned things over to the Collangelo's.

This team finally has something going for them.

Next year we add Embiid, Saric AND Simmonds. Thats huge. Hopefully they can dabble in free agency.

Next years draft I assume we will be picking around 16-18. However, with the Kings pick, we are seriously looking at a top 3 pick again. Lakers will probably be a top 10 pick.

Unreal.
- jak521

Yeah, I'm not wild about the league interfering. Maybe instead of pursuing regime change to end the symptoms they should've addressed the ailments that led to them. Or, just maybe, doing something was worse than doing nothing at all.

regardless, looks like the new guy hit a homerun yesterday, hopefully they can finish turning the franchise around. I won't pretend I've been there through thick and thin (or been there at all, really), but it wouldn't be so bad having a(nother?) good team in town.

You know hextall will select a player out In left field people. Like morin and sanheim. Everybody will go oh my god. Who's this? Waste of pick. Then.... Oh. He looks good. What a steal. Play him in NHL now. Lol
- jmdodgeser4

That's kinda why I think they're going to go Kunin.

The NBA would have a phenomenal product on their hands I'd they contracted by about 10 teams and redistributed players appropriately. It sucks knowing just about where every team will finish before the season even starts.
- hereticpride

Literally at the start of every season your can pretty much predict the finals teams.

Cavs and Warriors wasnt even a hesitation in that thought.


There are 4 teams in each conference who can make some noise, but noone would think otherwise.

It was the right decision. The truth is most people who have a problem with the whole Hinkie era didn't care about the Sixers, probably don't really care about basketball, and would have criticized the team for their everlasting mediocrity if they stayed the course.

The only part I didn't like, and this is a petty complaint, was the anointing of Hinkie as a genius for blowing up the team. That praise really should've been reserved for the building phase.
- BulliesPhan87

The anointing was more that we finally had a GM who didn't make decisions based on "How can we win the next game!? I'll do whatever it takes." You see the same poop with Hexy all over this thread and Twitter. It's an amazing feeling when you have a GM you know won't do something stupid.

Plus, he won every trade he ever made. It's ridiculous.

People also just don't understand the situation he inherited. Bad team, capped out and first round picks owed to teams unless the Sixers finished with one of the 7 worst records. Basically had no other options.

I think the key point is that Schenn does have value and even overpaying him $1M per year isn't going to crush the Flyers. I just find the biggest concern to be their lack of young, high end forwards and I feel like dealing Schenn could address that. I worry that the forwards will be leaving their primes and they won't have enough guys to come in and pick up the slack. Guys like G and Voracek will still be effective, but they won't be the 70 point, all situation players they've been.
- PhillySportsGuy

So we should trade Schenn+ for a top 10 pick and take Clayton Keller? Did I read this right?

So we should trade Schenn+ for a top 10 pick and take Clayton Keller? Did I read this right?
- Mononoke

Depends on +