Vesey Sid horn
Yak geno Okposo
HBk
Rust sunds Wilson
Kuhn

I'm tradin kuni BB Sheary and flower to make it work! All for picks and prospects!


Edit: I truely don't know what side Vesey and yak play
- nh4442

Your last edit says it all. You don't know. Vesey isn't realistic, nor is Okposo.

Your last edit says it all. You don't know. Vesey isn't realistic, nor is Okposo.
- Oneonta Penguin

If Vesey has zero interest in Buffalo, most would put us #3 or even #2 in the Vesey running. Boston #1, Toronto with his brother #2/3.


I'd like to think we have a reasonable shot, just not the favorite.

If Vesey has zero interest in Buffalo, most would put us #3 or even #2 in the Vesey running. Boston #1, Toronto with his brother #2/3.


I'd like to think we have a reasonable shot, just not the favorite.
- Guile

Buffalo is three. He is expected to be there for the draft with his agent ... per one of the shows on XM radio.

Georges Laraque

Someone around the Oilers organization just confirmed to me that the Canadiens asked for Draisaitl and the 4 pick for Subban!
- nh4442

Edmonton needs to counter with RNH, the #4, and another pick, maybe a second ASAP. That says to me that the Canadiens are interested and even though the Oilers shouldn't lose Drai, they need to try their damndest to find an alternate deal.

I think I'd target Yakupov over nichuskin, but its really a toss up. You could flip Fleury to Calgary for 2 2nds (what i still think is the most likely deal). Then ship a late 2nd and 3rd to calgary for yakupov.

Yes looks to me like Horn is our most likely expansion draft loss at this point. I'd put it at 30-40%.
- sditulli

Didn't read through all of the posts, but this caught my attention. If I move Fleury to Calgary I'm looking at a 2nd and Shinkaruk in return. Either he or Wilson fill a void in the top 9 on left wing. I then would attempt to acquire Yak if possible.

Buffalo is three. He is expected to be there for the draft with his agent ... per one of the shows on XM radio.
- Oneonta Penguin

Vesey's a possibility. Just not one I'd hold my breath over. In other words, I would not trade Kunitz and bank on Vesey coming in to replace him. I still say its about 50/50 between Boston and Buffalo. I have a gut feeling he's not going to the Leafs. If he wants to go to a young, talented team that will compete in the near future, Buffalo is a leagues better option right now.

EDIT: I'm surprised you haven't thrown a female dog fit about everyone talking about Yakupov yet

If Vesey has zero interest in Buffalo, most would put us #3 or even #2 in the Vesey running. Boston #1, Toronto with his brother #2/3.


I'd like to think we have a reasonable shot, just not the favorite.
- Guile

Vesey would be my #1 target, but I wouldn't mind seeing
Kunitz-Sid-Horn
Wilson/Shinkaruk-Malkin-Yak
HBK
Sheary/Knuckles-Cullen-Rust

Buffalo is three. He is expected to be there for the draft with his agent ... per one of the shows on XM radio.
- Oneonta Penguin

If he doesnt sign before becoming a free agent, Buffalo becomes #32. He should be signing any minute now, if they can land him.

If he doesnt sign before becoming a free agent, Buffalo becomes #32. He should be signing any minute now, if they can land him.
- Guile

I don't think that's true... He's so close to free agency, waiting it out is the smart thing to do even if he has legit interest in Buffalo.

Vesey's a possibility. Just not one I'd hold my breath over. In other words, I would not trade Kunitz and bank on Vesey coming in to replace him. I still say its about 50/50 between Boston and Buffalo. I have a gut feeling he's not going to the Leafs. If he wants to go to a young, talented team that will compete in the near future, Buffalo is a leagues better option right now.

EDIT: I'm surprised you haven't thrown a female dog fit about everyone talking about Yakupov yet
- Victoro311

Vesey would be great, but he's never played at the professional level either. I def. think we see him in Boston.

Vesey's a possibility. Just not one I'd hold my breath over. In other words, I would not trade Kunitz and bank on Vesey coming in to replace him. I still say its about 50/50 between Boston and Buffalo. I have a gut feeling he's not going to the Leafs. If he wants to go to a young, talented team that will compete in the near future, Buffalo is a leagues better option right now.

EDIT: I'm surprised you haven't thrown a female dog fit about everyone talking about Yakupov yet
- Victoro311

Yukupov in Pittsburgh ... that's funny. Have zero desire to see that happen. We already have a mystery in DP; we don't need another one and a bigger bust in Yuk. Why does Pittsburgh have to be the place for reclamation projects all the sudden. I've seen them on the mound for the Pirates, so the Pens feel the need to join the cause?

I don't think that's true... He's so close to free agency, waiting it out is the smart thing to do even if he has legit interest in Buffalo.
- Victoro311

We can agree to disagree then. He had a good bit of time before his rights were sold to have a decent idea on what other teams had to offer. No way his agent didn't field a call from all interested GMs.

Yukupov in Pittsburgh ... that's funny. Have zero desire to see that happen. We already have a mystery in DP; we don't need another one and a bigger bust in Yuk. Why does Pittsburgh have to be the place for reclamation projects all the sudden. I've seen them on the mound for the Pirates, so the Pens feel the need to join the cause?
- Oneonta Penguin

There we go. Was waiting for this post.

We can agree to disagree then. He had a good bit of time before his rights were sold to have a decent idea on what other teams had to offer. No way his agent didn't field a call from all interested GMs.
- Guile

His rights at the time belonged to Nashville. Having full scale talks with guys who's rights are owned by other teams is tampering and is punished severely. Yes, little baby tampering happens, but there's a world of difference between the conversations that take place while rights are owned and conversations that take place a player is a free agent.

I believe Vesey's free agency starts Aug 15th because of some weird rule for college players. And wouldn't he be on an ELC? It's all about fit for him I woud imagine. He can only get so much salary. Correct me if I'm wrong, not totally sure.

Yukupov in Pittsburgh ... that's funny. Have zero desire to see that happen. We already have a mystery in DP; we don't need another one and a bigger bust in Yuk. Why does Pittsburgh have to be the place for reclamation projects all the sudden. I've seen them on the mound for the Pirates, so the Pens feel the need to join the cause?
- Oneonta Penguin

we usually agree on a lot, but if the cost of acquisition is truly a second (i have my doubts on that) then i really just dont see how the risks outweigh the potential reward.

Yukupov in Pittsburgh ... that's funny. Have zero desire to see that happen. We already have a mystery in DP; we don't need another one and a bigger bust in Yuk. Why does Pittsburgh have to be the place for reclamation projects all the sudden. I've seen them on the mound for the Pirates, so the Pens feel the need to join the cause?
- Oneonta Penguin

Comparing the Pirates to the Pens is just laughable. They will never be close to the Pens as long as dumb and dumber is the owner and gm. My god, what a ish show of an off season the Pirates had, could you imagine if the Pens ran their team the way the Pirates did this off season. What a joke.

Edmonton needs to counter with RNH, the #4, and another pick, maybe a second ASAP. That says to me that the Canadiens are interested and even though the Oilers shouldn't lose Drai, they need to try their damndest to find an alternate deal.
- Victoro311

There is a deal to be made between the two. If I'm Montreal, Drai is the guy I ask for. I think RNH is overrated ... an average second line center. If I'm Edmonton, I'm hoping to unload him though.

Edmonton needs a shakeup because all those first overall picks together have done nothing to help the cause, absent McJesus. They need to rid themselves of the loser mentality. That means trading two of Hall, RHN, Eberle for starters.

I believe Vesey's free agency starts Aug 15th because of some weird rule for college players. And wouldn't he be on an ELC? It's all about fit for him I woud imagine. He can only get so much salary. Correct me if I'm wrong, not totally sure.
- tpcg402

He can skip the ELC contract, same as Schultz did, because he took all 4 years in college after being drafted and gave the team that picked him the middle finger.

There is a deal to be made between the two. If I'm Montreal, Drai is the guy I ask for. I think RNH is overrated ... an average second line center. If I'm Edmonton, I'm hoping to unload him though.

Edmonton needs a shakeup because all those first overall picks together have done nothing to help the cause, absent McJesus. They need to rid themselves of the loser mentality. That means trading two of Hall, RHN, Eberle for starters.
- Oneonta Penguin

Eberle. Now there's an idea. RNH, Eberle, and a pick swap for Subban. Montreal gets the scoring they've been searching for with two talented forwards. Edmenton get a desperately needed shake up, keeps McDavid and Draisaitl, and gets what they need the absolute most: a 1D.

Montreal is still screwed though because all they do is exchange one hole for another. Their defense would be a dumpster fire without Subban.

He can skip the ELC contract, same as Schultz did, because he took all 4 years in college after being drafted and gave the team that picked him the middle finger.
- Guile

Thanks for the clarification.

He can skip the ELC contract, same as Schultz did, because he took all 4 years in college after being drafted and gave the team that picked him the middle finger.
- Guile

Schultz didn't skip the ELC contract. He just had a similar deal to Panarin where it had so many bonuses he got paid like ~3mil.

Thanks for the clarification.
- tpcg402

Well he's wrong, so...

Well he's wrong, so...
- Victoro311

Thanks for the clarification.

Thanks for the clarification.
- tpcg402

Expect the same thing to happen with Vesey. He'll sign a max ELC worth 925k I think is the figure and then have an asswhap of bonuses. If he doesn't completely bust it should add a chunk of change against next year's cap, but it should be manageable.