Best case on Yakupov would be a 1 year rental. Puts up 30 goals. We can't afford to resign him and others. Ship yakupov back out for a 1st plus.
- sditulli

Eh that's totally impossible to say at this juncture. The WB5 will still be very cheap, and they'll stay cheap unless Sheary or Rust magically become 30 goal scorers next season. It all depends what Dumoulin gets, which I think people will be surprised at how good of a contract he's gonna be and what Murray gets (I think he gets bridged for 3-4 mil), and finally if the cap rises, which I think it will due to expansion. Kunitz, Daley, and Bonino would all be coming off the books for a big chunk of change and at that juncture we might be able to move on from Fehr and Cole as younger, cheaper guys step into bigger roles.

Agreed but pens won't know about Vesey until the 1st which throws a wrench into my plan bc they can always send flower to cal for 2 2nds, trade DP for Nich, sign Enroth and be just as good
- nh4442

I don't think trading DP for Nichushkin is a real option unless we resign Schultz and Kylington comes back in the Flower-Calgary trade. Our defensive depth sucks really bad. And I wouldn't feel comfortable trading Kunitz unless Vesey was for sure on the team, which we just can't count on, especially if Buffalo thought they had a good enough chance to sign him that they spent a third acquiring his rights to try and woo him. The smart thing to do for him is to wait till free agency, buff when your good friend Jack Eichel starts whispering in your ear a lot can change fast. I think it's almost 50/50 Vesey signs in Boston or Buffalo.

i realize i female doged at them both a ton, but i just dont see the end result justifying trading kunitz or fehr.

Always felt he was a bottom six guy which we have in spades.
- Victoro311

Yeah absolutely no use for that. We have enough guys capable in the bottom 6. Top 6 LW is the biggest need up front, imo.

Though I still like breaking up HBK next year. Sid with Hagelin seems like a great match.

i realize i female doged at them both a ton, but i just dont see the end result justifying trading kunitz or fehr.
- stayinthefnnet

Kuni would be cap space and the fact that he has declined and should be on 3rd line but our 3rd line is awesome so he stays on top line and we can go out and find someone better

Fehr- he has done nothing wrong but with Sunds NHL ready and having guys like Wilson rust Kuhn and Sheary emerging better than what we thought, he seems like odd man out

Kuni would be cap space and the fact that he has declined and should be on 3rd line but our 3rd line is awesome so he stays on top line and we can go out and find someone better

Fehr- he has done nothing wrong but with Sunds NHL ready and having guys like Wilson rust Kuhn and Sheary emerging better than what we thought, he seems like odd man out
- nh4442

i dont know if theyre realistically getting someone much better with the cap space though for kunitz.

and fehr might not be an absolute necessity, but his versatility is huge, especially if cullen retires. and for 2 mil? he's a steal.

i realize i female doged at them both a ton, but i just dont see the end result justifying trading kunitz or fehr.
- stayinthefnnet

Kunitz I have very little issue walking away from and trading him. He looked so bad for the bulk of the season, then he'd had spurts... then bad. His hands have gotten utterly terrible, when good or bad. I think youth is just a better option overall.


Fehr I will fight for, surgery in the offseason, then hurt again, never in proper conditioning. We saw him looking great the last two series, and that is not him at 100%.

i dont know if theyre realistically getting someone much better with the cap space though for kunitz.

and fehr might not be an absolute necessity, but his versatility is huge, especially if cullen retires. and for 2 mil? he's a steal.
- stayinthefnnet

I believe this as well. I don't want to trade Kunitz only to have to turn around and buy Boedker for an extra mil and 5 years of term. He's a near perfect fit playstyle wise, but his tangible production and underlying numbers do not scream throw 5 million at this guy. Our only potential option would be if we won the Vesey sweepstakes which I'm not gonna hold my breath for. The best thing to do is probably keep him and then hope that Wilson or Simon can develop into taking over his role, swing a trade for a new guy, or maybe have someone like Sprong or Rust switch to their off wing.

Kunitz I have very little issue walking away from and trading him. He looked so bad for the bulk of the season, then he'd had spurts... then bad. His hands have gotten utterly terrible, when good or bad. I think youth is just a better option overall.


Fehr I will fight for, surgery in the offseason, then hurt again, never in proper conditioning. We saw him looking great the last two series, and that is not him at 100%.
- Guile

i think fehr will turn out to be a tremendous value this year. and like i said his versatility provides so much protection and options.

kunitz, im not necessarily married to. but i still just need some sort of plan. i dont just think the team is automatically better off moving him just to move him.

i think fehr will turn out to be a tremendous value this year. and like i said his versatility provides so much protection and options.

kunitz, im not necessarily married to. but i still just need some sort of plan. i dont just think the team is automatically better off moving him just to move him.
- stayinthefnnet

If we move Flower, even bringing back one of those young LWs... they don't have to automatically get a top 6 spot. Can give them a year or two to develop while we buy a solid LW for 1-2 years via UFA or a trade with the new found picks after we move Kunitz.


edit: For example, gonna piggyback on another's suggestion a bit.

We trade Flower, for a LW and a 2nd to Calg (still don't care if its Poirer or Shink).
Trade Kunitz to one of the cap floor teams for whatever.


Okposo... pretty much could get a 6.5+ mil 6 year deal somewhere. Instead, he comes here, 2 years, 11 mil. Once again, he can get more, this is a discount, i (frank)ing know.

Now, why would he do this? Two years on a stacked team, and its not like he came cheap... 2 years of very good Cup chances. And you know what? Two years of being on Sid or Geno's wing... that 6+ for 6 year deal he has now, will STILL be there for him after what he does here. He basically will be taking about a 2 mil discount over two years, to try and get himself a Stanley Cup before cashing out, while possibly increasing his value even more.


Do I believe that can happen? Eh... slim chance... but its one of a number of LWs we could take in for a year or two while we develop internal options.

If we move Flower, even bringing back one of those young LWs... they don't have to automatically get a top 6 spot. Can give them a year or two to develop while we buy a solid LW for 1-2 years via UFA or a trade with the new found picks after we move Kunitz.
- Guile

In NHLs article on the top 10 LW at the draft, they all have size and skill. I would love to get into the top 15-20 bc you would still be able to get 1 of them and have them develop in juniors more or AHL.

If we move Flower, even bringing back one of those young LWs... they don't have to automatically get a top 6 spot. Can give them a year or two to develop while we buy a solid LW for 1-2 years via UFA or a trade with the new found picks after we move Kunitz.


edit: For example, gonna piggyback on another's suggestion a bit.

We trade Flower, for a LW and a 2nd to Calg (still don't care if its Poirer or Shink).
Trade Kunitz to one of the cap floor teams for whatever.


Okposo... pretty much could get a 6.5+ mil 6 year deal somewhere. Instead, he comes here, 2 years, 11 mil. Once again, he can get more, this is a discount, i (frank)ing know.

Now, why would he do this? Two years on a stacked team, and its not like he came cheap... 2 years of very good Cup chances. And you know what? Two years of being on Sid or Geno's wing... that 6+ for 6 year deal he has now, will STILL be there for him after what he does here. He basically will be taking about a 2 mil discount over two years, to try and get himself a Stanley Cup before cashing out, while possibly increasing his value even more.


Do I believe that can happen? Eh... slim chance... but its one of a number of LWs we could take in for a year or two while we develop internal options.
- Guile

Okposo isn't a LW. He plays the right side. In my mind, Okposo just isn't a good idea. Too expensive and too injury prone. We have enough cap tied up in guys that are all but guaranteed to miss 10-20 games a season. If we got Okposo, moving Hornqvist would pretty much be a must, and I'd much rather have Hornqvist.

There is literally zero chance that Okposo becomes a Penguins. Zero. He's getting paid, and it rightly won't be by Pittsburgh.

If we move Flower, even bringing back one of those young LWs... they don't have to automatically get a top 6 spot. Can give them a year or two to develop while we buy a solid LW for 1-2 years via UFA or a trade with the new found picks after we move Kunitz.


edit: For example, gonna piggyback on another's suggestion a bit.

We trade Flower, for a LW and a 2nd to Calg (still don't care if its Poirer or Shink).
Trade Kunitz to one of the cap floor teams for whatever.


Okposo... pretty much could get a 6.5+ mil 6 year deal somewhere. Instead, he comes here, 2 years, 11 mil. Once again, he can get more, this is a discount, i (frank)ing know.

Now, why would he do this? Two years on a stacked team, and its not like he came cheap... 2 years of very good Cup chances. And you know what? Two years of being on Sid or Geno's wing... that 6+ for 6 year deal he has now, will STILL be there for him after what he does here. He basically will be taking about a 2 mil discount over two years, to try and get himself a Stanley Cup before cashing out, while possibly increasing his value even more.


Do I believe that can happen? Eh... slim chance... but its one of a number of LWs we could take in for a year or two while we develop internal options.
- Guile

i mean if that would happen, id be all ears. i dont see that 2 year scenario happening, so its not something i took into consideration. i dont want to sign okposo to what it would require.

There is literally zero chance that Okposo becomes a Penguins. Zero. He's getting paid, and it rightly won't be by Pittsburgh.
- hardnosed

fine by me. hes a good player. i think hed fit in fairly well. but big picture the juice isnt worth the squeeze to me.

theres a difference between hypothetically moving a second if thats all it took, to take a one year flyer at yakupov for under 3 mil.

Georges Laraque

Someone around the Oilers organization just confirmed to me that the Canadiens asked for Draisaitl and the 4 pick for Subban!

Might be how I am reading that... but I like how you are almost downplaying having a 60 point year with Malkin for Yak like it'd be no big deal

- Guile

Well I think Malkin could bounce 60 pts in off of him

But i'm using the same logic we use for Schultz.... one good season doesn't warrant a huge raise.

Can you say with a straight face that 60 points for a talent like Yak playing next to Malkin isn't possible?

It's a pot odds kind of move.... taking into account the asset necessary to make the move and the talent level of the guy coming back... it's a no brainer.... even if we have to send Beau back to sweeten the deal... you're getting Yak for 1.5 million this year essentially.

Pumped for the draft tomorrow. There's going to be a lot of players moving. I think Fleury is traded tomorrow or he will be with the team at least til the TDL.

Okposo isn't a LW. He plays the right side. In my mind, Okposo just isn't a good idea. Too expensive and too injury prone. We have enough cap tied up in guys that are all but guaranteed to miss 10-20 games a season. If we got Okposo, moving Hornqvist would pretty much be a must, and I'd much rather have Hornqvist.
- Victoro311

And this is why I shouldn't lazily piggyback on other's ideas...

In the finals, yes, and if you don't think Yak and Nich would block a shot at the chance to win a cup, you're out of your mind.
- j.boyd919

No sir, I do not think that at all. Nope.

I don't think trading DP for Nichushkin is a real option unless we resign Schultz and Kylington comes back in the Flower-Calgary trade. Our defensive depth sucks really bad. And I wouldn't feel comfortable trading Kunitz unless Vesey was for sure on the team, which we just can't count on, especially if Buffalo thought they had a good enough chance to sign him that they spent a third acquiring his rights to try and woo him. The smart thing to do for him is to wait till free agency, buff when your good friend Jack Eichel starts whispering in your ear a lot can change fast. I think it's almost 50/50 Vesey signs in Boston or Buffalo.
- Victoro311

I know Dallas is losing Dmen. That said, there is zero incentive for them to trade Nich for DP. DP doesn't have that type of return or value. Sorry. People continue to overvalue a mystery or suspect in DP by quite a bit.

His value is Mantha or Rychel, not Nich.

Georges Laraque

Someone around the Oilers organization just confirmed to me that the Canadiens asked for Draisaitl and the 4 pick for Subban!
- nh4442

Edmonton is going to have to overpay to get a quality Dman. The question is do they want to be serious about improving their roster? Seems like quite a lot for Subban, but, in order to get one of the best, you have to pay for it.

The one big thing I worry about Sheary, is how long he will last. He was wore out mid playoffs and had to sit. I know he is undersized as a hockey player, but can he play 75 games this year, plus the playoffs? There were games were he just didnt belong out there, I just worry the grind will wear him down. I do not understand why everyone is on the Sunq bandwagon already, I doubt he even comes close to replacing what Cullen did. I really hope Cullens kids can talk him into coming back. I don't mind keeping the Kuhn, Cullen and Fehr together on the 4th line.

As far as Yak, I would take a chance...offer a 2nd and BB for him.

And this is why I shouldn't lazily piggyback on other's ideas...
- Guile

Vesey Sid horn
Yak geno Okposo
HBk
Rust sunds Wilson
Kuhn

I'm tradin kuni BB Sheary and flower to make it work! All for picks and prospects!


Edit: I truely don't know what side Vesey and yak play

Vesey Sid horn
Yak geno Okposo
HBk
Rust sunds Wilson
Kuhn

I'm tradin kuni BB Sheary and flower to make it work! All for picks and prospects!


Edit: I truely don't know what side Vesey and yak play
- nh4442

Vesey is a LW... Yak apparently can play both.