Since they will not get $6mm in full cap relief to trade Crow, there is unfortunately no way I would keep Shaw over Crow. The next Shaw contract will be Bickellesque, and I say that with my Shaw jersey on...
- RedFeather

Frankly, I have to agree with you. And I love me some Shawzer.

Not sure Toronto would go for that. May need to add Keith or Seabrook. Perhaps both?
- tyweb69

serious? did you even think about the cap implications for the leafs of doing that?

RUMOR

Source I don't hear form often but has GOOD info. when I do, told me just now if Crawford is moved, Toronto is at the top of the list, Buffalo is #2.

I will also tell you this, via another good (NJ) source, I heard 2-3 years ago, Lamoriello thinks very highly of CC.

So, not saying the Hawks will deal him, but it does sound like there's a market should they decide to.
- John Jaeckel

What would Crawfrod fetch from the respective?

Brouwer is an awesome idea JJ. Was really impressed with the snarl and productivity he had in STL this year and in the playoff run. Would love Brow back in the fold. Still think Hossa needs to step back and slide into the 3RW spot though. Put Kane and Toews together and put the Ruskies together and fill in from there. A Brouwer Toews Kane line wouldnt be bad to watch!

Frankly, I have to agree with you. And I love me some Shawzer.
- Cmonalready

We already replaced the Bickell contract with the 4 points a year, 3 million dollar man Kruger

Let the onslaught begin...

I guess with Andersen I meant the cost to acquire him. I suspect the ducks will command a fair price.

A lot needs to shake out with the goalie situation across the league. I think there may be some opportunities for younger (or youngish) goalies as well:

Boston - Rask’s NMC means Subban exposed
Colorado -Varlamov or Pickard
Washington - Grubauer
New Jersey - Wedgewood
Winnipeg - Hutchinson

to name a few
- Tumbleweed

With the 278 draft picks you guys have stockpiled acquiring Andersen shouldn't be a problem.

Subban won't have to be protected, assuming he doesn't back up Rask this year, cuz he only has 1 NHL game under his belt. Rask will be protected.

You know the ECHL had an entry in Chicago for 1 year about 4-5 years ago, the Express. Love that level and sat behind the net one game as they were playing the SC Stingrays and Grubauer was in goal, had never heard of him. Couldn't take my eyes off the Kraut even during warmups, kid was polished and smooth. After the first period told the guys with me you'll here this kids name in the future.

I ain't saying he's a #1 by any stretch but he's a nice goalie.

We already replaced the Bickell contract with the 4 points a year, 3 million dollar man Kruger

Let the onslaught begin...
- nickmo2699

Kruger isn't completely useless though.

What does a willingness to eat bread have to do with hockey ability?
- Cmonalready

The Rock says "know your role"....



Note: I did not make this GIF

Tumbleweed,

Since you are the main Leafs fan that visits the hawks page, what you do you feel would be a reasonable trade from the Leafs point of view for Crawford? I'm talking realistic where it would be considered a win for both sides.

If just picks would a first (30th overall) and a 3rd work? If for player(s) would a JVR for Crawford be reasonable?

Just want to see what you would think from a leafs point of view.

(Sorry if you already have said would make a reasonable trade offer)
- spudrock512

I know you guys aren’t going to like it, but I think the weak goalie market, the expansion draft, crawford’s salary and ntc are going to limit his value. I also think Bernier has to be involved.

I wouldn’t like to see the leafs pay much more than:

#30, percy and bernier ($2M retained, 1 year) for Crawford ($700k retained, 3 years)

I offer the same deal for MAF except I ask Pitts for a 2nd. Crawford > MAF imo.

I hold on to jvr in hopes of trading him for a dman. I think the market for dmen is expensive and he’s our best trade chip for that.

Being silly here but.

What if they traded CC and Kane to EDM for Eberle and the first rouind pick or Eichel and a 1st round?

Saving 10.5 and money to resign Ladd and a stud D and be in good shape money wise moving forward......and i think the team would be more balanced.

Would you do it? Would they have the balls?
- Hawkster

IF, IF, IF the Hawks were to ever move Kane Buffalo would be a destination that is feasable. And IF, IF, IF they ever moved him a kid like Eichel+ would be something they'd look for in return.

Interesting, I hadn't thought of that possibility no matter how remote.

THANK YOU JJ for bringing up the Schneider deal as an example of a STARTING point for a potential Crawford deal.

He's worth SIGNIFICANTLY more than a B-level prospect and a 2nd round pick.

Sorry, but if I'm Stan Bowman, I'm not moving the top goalie "potentially" on the market, who was arguably a top-two goalie for much of the season prior to getting injured towards the end.

Stan isn't FORCED to move Crawford. In any potential deal, he has leverage, not the other way around like in the Sharp deal where he had to get SOMETHING to salvage.

Sorry, but unless a team is offering a HIGH first round pick, and then some, I'm not even bothering to seriously listen.

It's one thing to go through due diligence and inquire about potential moves, but I'm not moving CC until I get the compensation I want, which rightfully so deserves to be a very good haul.

I know you guys aren’t going to like it, but I think the weak goalie market, the expansion draft, crawford’s salary and ntc are going to limit his value. I also think Bernier has to be involved.

I wouldn’t like to see the leafs pay much more than:

#30, percy and bernier ($2M retained, 1 year) for Crawford ($700k retained, 3 years)

I offer the same deal for MAF except I ask Pitts for a 2nd. Crawford > MAF imo.

I hold on to jvr in hopes of trading him for a dman. I think the market for dmen is expensive and he’s our best trade chip for that.
- Tumbleweed

How about Marner instead of Percy?

RUMOR

Source I don't hear form often but has GOOD info. when I do, told me just now if Crawford is moved, Toronto is at the top of the list, Buffalo is #2.

I will also tell you this, via another good (NJ) source, I heard 2-3 years ago, Lamoriello thinks very highly of CC.

So, not saying the Hawks will deal him, but it does sound like there's a market should they decide to.
- John Jaeckel

If Crow is the core guy to fall on the sword this was my concern, would there be a taker in this environment.

They have the number 1 and number 30 picks in the first round.
- hpk90

And 278 total picks, and counting, through 2018.

How about Marner instead of Percy?
- DarthKane

A tad more than i'm looking to spend

What kind of return here, just picks and get the complete $6M cap relief?
- blackhawk24

My choice, maybe RFA Dman Stuart Percy too.

What would Crawfrod fetch from the respective?
- Bjm84

Toronto: I'd ask for JVR, but I'd bet a similar proposal to what Tumbleweed mentioned (above) would be more likely. #30, Percy, Bernier for Crow (not sure that is enough, but it's a watered down goalie market)... Personally I'd try to get their 2017 first, but again... Not likely

Buffalo: #8 overall and Lehner for Crow.... Would be interesting proposal (Lehner and Darling both see time this year, and Lehner is under contract for 16-17 at a bit over $2 mil and then is RFA...)

I know you guys aren’t going to like it, but I think the weak goalie market, the expansion draft, crawford’s salary and ntc are going to limit his value. I also think Bernier has to be involved.

I wouldn’t like to see the leafs pay much more than:

#30, percy and bernier ($2M retained, 1 year) for Crawford ($700k retained, 3 years)

I offer the same deal for MAF except I ask Pitts for a 2nd. Crawford > MAF imo.

I hold on to jvr in hopes of trading him for a dman. I think the market for dmen is expensive and he’s our best trade chip for that.
- Tumbleweed

I'll pass on Percy. Very skeptical of him.

A team like the Maple Leafs, who were obviously tanking last season and gave plenty of opportunities to their kids, opted to not give him one. If he is considered an "important part" of Toronto's future, then he would have been given more of a chance than three meaningless games around the All-Star break.

He's not exactly a catalyst offensively either. Think he's more of a future #5-#7 d-man.

I'd take your #30, your 2017 1st round pick, and Sparks though. Or something of that sort.

QB?

i'd bet on crawford playing well to the end of his contract. a lot of uncertainty beyond that.
- Tumbleweed

nfl quaterbacks: aka elway, farve, brady to name a few

A tad more than i'm looking to spend
- Tumbleweed

I know...I think that kid is going to be great.

Toronto: I'd ask for JVR, but I'd bet a similar proposal to what Tumbleweed mentioned (above) would be more likely. #30, Percy, Reimer for Crow (not sure that is enough, but it's a watered down goalie market)... Personally I'd try to get their 2017 first, but again... Not likely

Buffalo: #8 overall and Lehner for Crow.... Would be interesting proposal (Lehner and Darling both see time this year, and Lehner is under contract for 16-17 at a bit over $2 mil and then is RFA...)
- Frenchy4488

Reimer isn't even on the Leafs anymore.

Either way, that Leafs deal is a VAST underpayment. Buffalo's deal would be enticing, but at the same time, I'm not sure that they're ready to compete yet to the point of moving their #8 pick. Would be nice, though.

What does a willingness to eat bread have to do with hockey ability?
- Cmonalready

Lotsa carbs to feed the fire during bag skates and when you grow up you get fat like me.

Reimer isn't even on the Leafs anymore.

Either way, that Leafs deal is a VAST underpayment. Buffalo's deal would be enticing, but at the same time, I'm not sure that they're ready to compete yet to the point of moving their #8 pick. Would be nice, though.
- TommyHawk

If he were to go to Toronto, I would really like to pry JVR away from the Leafs. Unless its just for a 1st rounder and the Hawks are gonna go hard after Ladd or perhaps Brouwer.

Since they will not get $6mm in full cap relief to trade Crow, there is unfortunately no way I would keep Shaw over Crow. The next Shaw contract will be Bickellesque, and I say that with my Shaw jersey on...
- RedFeather

Don't think we can say that with certainty.

Reimer isn't even on the Leafs anymore.

Either way, that Leafs deal is a VAST underpayment. Buffalo's deal would be enticing, but at the same time, I'm not sure that they're ready to compete yet to the point of moving their #8 pick. Would be nice, though.
- TommyHawk

Bernier... Typo... My bad haha... Balancing too much of this and work at the same time (fixed above now)

Agreed... Don't see that as enough value (though their 2017 first rather than #30 this year could be interesting)... I'd prefer the Sabres option as well