Hell, make them throw in JVR and take back Rundblad, too!
- Hank_Greenberg

Bozak, bernier and lupul for toews, Crawford and panarin

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...m-Clean-Out-Day/177/77596


The team doesn't have enough wiggle room in the cap to bring Lovejoy back if he is looking to cash in on his playoff run. You can find what he brings elsewhere for cheaper if it came down to it. The Penguins can learn a lesson from the Blackhawks in this regard. Don't "reward" depth players with bigger contracts than they deserve. Pay your best and continue to fill out the fringe positions on the roster as cheaply as possible. If you don't keep your loyalty in check to players you won with in the end it will cost you the better more important players. If Lovejoy wants to stay in Pittsburgh it will have to come at a hometown discount rate. He earned a raise and he should probably go seek that out.

goalies like QBs tend to play effectively well into their 30's
- bogiedoc

QB?

i'd bet on crawford playing well to the end of his contract. a lot of uncertainty beyond that.

My thoughts is Dallas is desperate for a Goalie, and so are a couple of other teams. I know Fleury, Anaheim have goalies to offer, but neither of them are better than Crawford. My thoughts are let Dallas trade us a 1st and Johns back, and then they figure out how to rid themselves of the other two goalies or buy one out. I think they could use a goalie to get to the cup and its either them needing a goalie or the Rangers that I can think of because Lundquist is somewhat falling apart. Have us trade Crawford to rangers for Rights to Yandle and a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I think if we go out and get a mediocre goalie like fleury or the guy from Anaheim we would be fine as long as we built defense around him.

My 2 cents
- Ryno_Resumes

Dallas has $10.5 million tied up into two goalies for the next two seasons. I can't see Nill trading for Crawford unless Bowman is willing to take Lehtonen back in return, and that would add another half million towards the cap. That doesn't help. Further, Nill isn't just going to punt off Johns, nor give up a 1st round pick to get Crawford.

The Rags have a lot of money tied up into Henrick, and have Raanta playing right behind them. I doubt they're looking for a tender at the moment.

As for Fleury, he's under contract for three more seasons at a cap hit that is $250,000 cheaper than Crawford. Obviously, that's no help to the Hawks either.

My opinions:

(OPINIONS)

If, IF, they dealt Crawford, I would look at Buffalo, Toronto, the Islanders.

Shaw may come down to this: the Hawks can only offer so much AAV and if the rumors of a back issue are true, they will not go long on term.

Conversely, if the rumors of a back or other health issues are true, if you're Shaw, his agent, or his family, you want the most AAV and term you can get ON THIS DEAL—not a sweetheart or bridge deal that helps the Hawks.

If I were Shaw, that's what I'd want.

So my hunch is they may end up dealing Shaw before UFA. Probably for picks, free up another $2 million in cap room.

I then wonder if Q could swallow his pride a bit and admit that Troy Brouwer has become a pretty damn versatile and tough to play against SOB who brings most everything Shaw does, and more in a lot of ways, without the complete stupidity at times. Who could be had for $4 million a year and would line up pretty well at LW with 19 and 81.
- John Jaeckel

Bringing back Brouwer would be awesome - class act person and one heck of a hockey player. It was a mistake to have let him go in the first place. I understand the economics of the move at the time - but the Hawks have missed his "all terrain" skills since his departure.

Someone needs to burn down Q's doghouse - because it's been hurting this team for a while now.

Bozak, bernier and lupul for toews, Crawford and panarin
- Tumbleweed

Probably need help on the backend I would flip Panarin for Keith

JJ, any word on if Crawford would be part of a bigger package to either team, or more likely him by himself?
- sofaking3

What I have heard is by himself. Meaning, teams calling and discussing offers for him. Doesn't mean that is the limit of the conversations though.

What kind of return here, just picks and get the complete $6M cap relief?
- blackhawk24

No specific clue... They have $$ and it's attractive city for some to play in. Basically the team they ended up icing at the end of year was weighted with Marlies.
I'm not saying I think it will go down but there is a very short list of feasible partners and Toronto may be the most attractive to Crawford in a sense.

But I think he wouldn't jump at the chance right away.

What I have heard is by himself. Meaning, teams calling and discussing offers for him. Doesn't mean that is the limit of the conversations though.
- John Jaeckel

You would have to think if he goes to Toronto, what will happen with Bernier?

Dallas has $10.5 million tied up into two goalies for the next two seasons. I can't see Nill trading for Crawford unless Bowman is willing to take Lehtonen back in return, and that would add another half million towards the cap. That doesn't help. Further, Nill isn't just going to punt off Johns, nor give up a 1st round pick to get Crawford.

The Rags have a lot of money tied up into Henrick, and have Raanta playing right behind them. I doubt they're looking for a tender at the moment.

As for Fleury, he's under contract for three more seasons at a cap hit that is $250,000 cheaper than Crawford. Obviously, that's no help to the Hawks either.
- EKB13

Dallas is not that far from being in as bad of a cap fix as the Hawks.

My opinions:

(OPINIONS)

If, IF, they dealt Crawford, I would look at Buffalo, Toronto, the Islanders.

Shaw may come down to this: the Hawks can only offer so much AAV and if the rumors of a back issue are true, they will not go long on term.

Conversely, if the rumors of a back or other health issues are true, if you're Shaw, his agent, or his family, you want the most AAV and term you can get ON THIS DEAL—not a sweetheart or bridge deal that helps the Hawks.

If I were Shaw, that's what I'd want.

So my hunch is they may end up dealing Shaw before UFA. Probably for picks, free up another $2 million in cap room.

I then wonder if Q could swallow his pride a bit and admit that Troy Brouwer has become a pretty damn versatile and tough to play against SOB who brings most everything Shaw does, and more in a lot of ways, without the complete stupidity at times. Who could be had for $4 million a year and would line up pretty well at LW with 19 and 81.
- John Jaeckel

No Calgary? They are the only team legitimately without a #1 today.........

Buffalo may not be crazy, but with Lehner coming back? Huge kid at 6ft 5in, 24 yrs old and 1 yr left at 2.2 before he's an RFA. He has his health problems but this guy passes the eye test with flying colors.

That crazy owner wants to win and will pay to do so. He's the guy that bought the club and signed every free agent he could find that year including throwing big money at bust out Ville Lieno.

i think he'd covet Crow for both what he does on the ice and for the fan base.

I'm just speaking from what I have heard in the past. There was some talk when Campbell was dealt, you had the story he could be gone. But from what I heard that was basically sprung on him....Then a well timed rumor comes out about the Jackets being interested too

And all of the sudden south Florida doesn't looks so bad even though you just got married and your wife was from here.

If I just had a great season, playoff run and was a major factor in winning the Cup...My response when they approached me would not have been one of delight....
- Al

Al, speaking of Campbell, do you have any insight as to whether the Hawks FO would really want him back? In an article Jesse Rogers did after the trade, Campbell seemed to take some parting shots:

“I think we are going in the right direction,” Campbell said. “[Tallon] brought in a lot of quality guys. The locker room is a lot of fun just like it was in Chicago with him [in charge]. You’re not walking on eggshells around here. It's go play hockey and work hard. I think that’s what he expects, and have a lot fun. I think that’s the best thing about Dale. You can say what you want to say and express your opinion. You’re not walking around intimidated by anybody or scared to go out there and do anything. It's just a fun atmosphere.”
http://espn.go.com/blog/c...usting-to-life-in-florida

Just wondering if a reunion is still possible?..

What I have heard is by himself. Meaning, teams calling and discussing offers for him. Doesn't mean that is the limit of the conversations though.
- John Jaeckel

Thanks JJ for your response would be interesting to see what the return would be, and how it would effect the Leafs rebuild.

Probably need help on the backend I would flip Panarin for Keith
- bhawks2241

If that's what you need to make the deal work, then fine. I guess i can do that.

Tumbleweed,

Since you are the main Leafs fan that visits the hawks page, what you do you feel would be a reasonable trade from the Leafs point of view for Crawford? I'm talking realistic where it would be considered a win for both sides.

If just picks would a first (30th overall) and a 3rd work? If for player(s) would a JVR for Crawford be reasonable?

Just want to see what you would think from a leafs point of view.

(Sorry if you already have said would make a reasonable trade offer)

RUMOR

Source I don't hear form often but has GOOD info. when I do, told me just now if Crawford is moved, Toronto is at the top of the list, Buffalo is #2.

I will also tell you this, via another good (NJ) source, I heard 2-3 years ago, Lamoriello thinks very highly of CC.

So, not saying the Hawks will deal him, but it does sound like there's a market should they decide to.
- John Jaeckel

I think Toronto would be a great option for a CC destination (and likely an easier sell to CC IMO)... I'm curious what Stan would be looking for to come back, as you had mentioned first round pick was what you were told, but I think we can all agree the #1 overall pick will not be touched... which leaves the #30 pick... Is that enough value? Perhaps Stan learns his lesson from the Sharp fiasco and takes what he can get? 2017 first (for Chicago draft) instead if a pick this year?

I still would love to see JVR come back rather than a pick, but I don't know how feasible that would be...

On July 1, 2009, it was US$ .871894.

The Cdn$ is now about US$ .78 - coming back (along with the price of oil), but still about 17% below its value on July 1, 2014 and about 10% below its value in 2009.
- StLBravesFan

This can be easily fixed depending on election results. Invade Iran, and Syria for good measure, and the price of oil will shoot back up to 150 bucks a barrel.

Cap will soar.

He does.

So figure in 2.875 and then a possible increase in AAV over 5-6 and then figure out how bowman keeps all these high salaried guys.

I think Crawford is like Sharp....lots of smoke this summer, cbut come next summer hes' gone at the latest, prior to the expansion draft.
- SteveRain

Hey Steve,
According to generalfanager, Panarin does not have the games played bonus for the upcoming season. So expect his bonuses to drop from $2,575,000 to $2,250,000. $225,000 is not a lot of cap space, but every but helps.

Bozak, bernier and lupul for toews, Crawford and panarin
- Tumbleweed

Not sure Toronto would go for that. May need to add Keith or Seabrook. Perhaps both?

Another fast depth player may be Sceviour. Kid has wheels and gets 20-25 points on the 4th line. If Shaw were to leave. Seems to be somewhat agitating
- ikeane

No idea on cap implications but I'm a fan. Speed, some skill, accepts a roll, can play up and down the lineup a bit and is willing.

Is it Chad Johnson or Chad Ocho Cinco?
- BlackhawkMike

Its don johnsons kid

Al, speaking of Campbell, do you have any insight as to whether the Hawks FO would really want him back? In an article Jesse Rogers did after the trade, Campbell seemed to take some parting shots:

“I think we are going in the right direction,” Campbell said. “
- jmarducci[Tallon] brought in a lot of quality guys. The locker room is a lot of fun just like it was in Chicago with him [in charge]. You’re not walking on eggshells around here. It's go play hockey and work hard. I think that’s what he expects, and have a lot fun. I think that’s the best thing about Dale. You can say what you want to say and express your opinion. You’re not walking around intimidated by anybody or scared to go out there and do anything. It's just a fun atmosphere.”
http://espn.go.com/blog/c...usting-to-life-in-florida

Just wondering if a reunion is still possible?..

I miss Soupy. When he still had a house here and was on the Panthers. He used to roll into the DePaul Rey Meyer Fitness Center in the morning randomly in the offseason and pedal a stationary bike for 30 mins stretch a bit and leave. That man has some serious bright red hair.


**Here I mean Chicago whoops

Regarding "the rumors" about possible player trades is you want to be able to deal from a strength or abundance of talent at a certain position so it goes without saying that it would be much easier to fill a need at forward than in goal. Moving a top flight goalie you better have someone to fill that position and right now I don't see the Hawks having that. How about Dennis Seidenberg at a decent cost if possible.

Since they will not get $6mm in full cap relief to trade Crow, there is unfortunately no way I would keep Shaw over Crow. The next Shaw contract will be Bickellesque, and I say that with my Shaw jersey on...

No idea on cap implications but I'm a fan. Speed, some skill, accepts a roll, can play up and down the lineup a bit and is willing.
- Mr Ricochet

What does a willingness to eat bread have to do with hockey ability?