SteveRain
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A major factor leading to the current cap stagnation is the value of the Cdn$.
When Kane and Toews signed their deals in July, 2014 (IIRC), the Looney was worth US$ .91 - oil was over US$ 100 per barrel - and the league (and, to be fair, almost all economists) didn't see either falling dramatically.
Except for Seabrook, all of the $5MM+ contracts were signed before the Looney fell off of the cliff - Keith, Hossa, Sharp, Crawford, Bickell.
Had the Cdn$ stayed at the earlier level, the cap would be approaching $80MM by now.
Al says that an important factor is that US revenues - ticket sales, merchandise - haven't grown as much as expected, too. - StLBravesFan
Well done but was the Canadian that high back in 2009 when Hossa and Keith both inked deals?
Otherwise, fantastic post as usual. |
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Tumbleweed
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Location: avid reader of the daily douche news Joined: 03.14.2014
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I'm sure part of Holland's challenge is the Howard isn't good. Stan would have more luck moving Crawford, if there are teams in the market for a big ticket netminder. - DarthKane
yeah - i would lose my mind if we acquired howard. he's terrible and has been declining for a few years.
crawford can still play. a good option for a team in need of a goalie for a few years. |
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Mr Ricochet
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Location: Joliet, IL Joined: 04.19.2009
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I think it comes down to stamkos. To me, he accelerates the rebuild by one-year.
If not, I think another top 5 pick and 10-12 picks total will be the goal for next year. - Tumbleweed
Good sensible answer. I doubt you think the cup winning goalie is in the system, how and when (Stamkos aside) do you think they address the position?
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jimnhlnut
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Location: Evanston, IL Joined: 01.17.2016
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1. the hawks were not a cup contended last year: as you point out 5 on 5 was bad; toews had no one to play with; blue line was gassed and a mess, without 50, 72, 88 this team misses the playoffs
2. this playoff opened some eyes: a rookie goalie comes out of nowhere to help his team win the cup and another young goalie helps his team to the finals..expect a a goalie sale of big contract this summer and next unfortunately this dilutes the value of craw...but no question (regretably) he is gone this summer or next
3. would like to see shaw take a 2 year 6 mil friendly deal but he and his agent are not that dumb - bogiedoc
Issues aside, they were a cup contender. Seabs hit the post in Game 7, etc. Philly finished 8th and went to the final in 2010. They were contenders...not certain champs, but contenders...
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SteveRain
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Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL Joined: 05.07.2010
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Issues aside, they were a cup contender. Seabs hit the post in Game 7, etc. Philly finished 8th and went to the final in 2010. They were contenders...not certain champs, but contenders... - jimnhlnut
Everyone in the playoffs was a contender, but realistically.....hard to say. They had holes, were bad 5 on 5 statistically, so impossible to guess where they end up.
Fact is they lost in 7, and right now on paper they are a worse team then 6 weeks ago knowing the realties of the cap. |
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Tumbleweed
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Location: avid reader of the daily douche news Joined: 03.14.2014
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Good sensible answer. I doubt you think the cup winning goalie is in the system, how and when (Stamkos aside) do you think they address the position? - Mr Ricochet
Put a few irons in the fire.
We just signed a college FA goalie. Probably need to draft a goalie this year. Will have to see what happens in a few years there.
I’d be interested in Andersen if the leafs think he is the guy. I don’t know enough about him, but am a little uncertain. Without a NTC and the ability to negotiate his next contract, I think he’ll be pricey for a goalie.
I’m not opposed to acquiroing MAF/Crawford under the right circumstances, but I think they have to come relatively cheap. Could be good stop gaps while young goalies develop.
Not much other than reimer as a stop gap on the UFA market.
If we have to, ride bernier until next year. Might be a team forced to unload a young goalie prior to the expansion draft. Probably won’t be cheap. We’ll need to continue to accumulate picks/prospects to be in position to pay the price.
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John Jaeckel
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Location: www.the-rink.com Joined: 11.19.2006
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>Toronto, Ottawa, Vancouver, Edmonton -- I believe all have the cap space to do so
>But, to your point, spending to the cap vs the team's budget is another thing
>Shaw on a 1 year deal would make sense
>Is Crawford in total control of where he would go?
>Think all signs point to CC as gone -- you mentioned it -- CC has a "replacement" already on the roster
>If CC can block all trades, Hawks are in big $ trouble for quite some time - SnapitUpstairs
He can't, modified NTC, he must submit a list which is either 8-10 teams he would not (or would) accept a trade to.
I would also watch Buffalo. The "hush-hush" talks I was told about in February 2015 were with Edmonton and Buffalo.
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John Jaeckel
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Location: www.the-rink.com Joined: 11.19.2006
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Paid his dues? A grand total of 43 NHL games in two seasons and he is ready to replace Crawford?
Sample size not big enough. - Return of the Roar
43 more than Niemi had at this time in 2009—at the same age. Just saying. |
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John Jaeckel
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Location: www.the-rink.com Joined: 11.19.2006
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No sweetener is needed at all to move CC's contract. He is worth the deal he is signed to and it is at worst, at market value. He is also coming off his best year IMO
If teams are interested in Fleury, there would be no shortage of interest in Crawford - hawkeytalkman
Agreed. But the Hawks may want to move him for a 1st and that's it for the cap savings. That's what I heard IF they choose to move him. |
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John Jaeckel
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Location: www.the-rink.com Joined: 11.19.2006
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Don't think there would be many teams who would take Seabs 8 year contact. - HamiltonHawk
And the team that has his rights isn't trading him. So there's that. |
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John Jaeckel
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Location: www.the-rink.com Joined: 11.19.2006
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I don't see them trading AA, as Panarin needs that culture/language comfort zone until he fully grasps and is comfortable with the English language and American culture. Not that you were advocating trading AA, but I saw it elsewhere.
Shaw doesn't get me "hard" but he's their most versatile player, next to Hossa, and I think a 3 year deal works both ways. Hoawks aren't tied LT to a guy who could be injury prone, and if Shaw continues to succeed he cashes in again at 27. - SteveRain
And while they finally have some C depth at the NHL level, they have zero below that. Highly, highly doubtful they would move him and/or Kruger, both also entering newly inked deals this year, for that reason alone. |
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bogiedoc
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Location: VA Joined: 09.27.2011
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Issues aside, they were a cup contender. Seabs hit the post in Game 7, etc. Philly finished 8th and went to the final in 2010. They were contenders...not certain champs, but contenders... - jimnhlnut
You can't cherry pick post hits or any other play and say gee only if...every team in the playoff can do that....
but i will recant..by their pedigree and record they were a cup contender....however they got beat and often beat badly vs WC playoff teams the last 3 months of the season...0-12 from early feb to the end of the season and did not beat WC playoff between wins vs blues 1/23 and 4/19. maybe give me a definition of contender
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Katana777
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"Nice write up JJ. Really lookinh for things to move into warp speed as soon as the cap # is official.
Really hope there is a way to keep Ladd."
- mrpaulish
+1 on all three points. |
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vabeachbear
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Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC Joined: 10.17.2011
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Doesn't Hossa agreeing to go to Ottawa give the Hawks relief, provided he actually plays until the end of 2021.
The one thing about Hoss's deal is he can get hurt during the season, and provde some cap relief and he can basically play anywhere in the line scheme and be responsible...so I guess no on trading him... - wiz1901
I thought not, thought there was a clause that really kills the Hawks cap if he is traded |
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SteveRain
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Location: Connor Murphy Sucks, IL Joined: 05.07.2010
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He can't, modified NTC, he must submit a list which is either 8-10 teams he would not (or would) accept a trade to.
I would also watch Buffalo. The "hush-hush" talks I was told about in February 2015 were with Edmonton and Buffalo. - John Jaeckel
Not doubting your source but capfreindly.com has a full NMC. Same with generalfanager. |
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Al
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Location: , IL Joined: 08.11.2006
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I understand. I'm with you and others when looking at this short term and long term in regards to cap and having t o move another decent salary.
IMO, you look at their center depth and also their hole at LW and how do you give up AA and have a hole at 1lw and roll out this lineup? I dont' think you can. that 2nd line was arguably the best in hockey and 15 did so much of the grunt work to free up space for 72/88.
IMO, It really to me comes down to 3 guys who would be moved......50/7/81. I think the contract to 16 is a joke, but again center depth is a hole so I'll leave him alone.
I would go 7/50/81 in terms o ranking who I keep. I love 81 but his finishing is down and would be a floor team's dream to get with salary only 1 million next year until duration while cap hit is over 5, assuming back door deal with Hossa is cut not to retire to eliminate recapture.
hate sounding like broken record, but this is such a hard time for Bowman, brought on by success and himself, that it will shape team for years to come. - SteveRain
I have liked AA since his NY days but can he hold up and is he the only one Kane and AP will thrive with?? This was the 1st time they had a legit 2 way 2nd line C but yet the 5 on 5 play and balance was not good??
The others you mentioned have won multiple Cups here and have solid no trade clauses. Path of least resistance in a few ways, is to deal AA, Krueger or Shaw....Q loves Shaw and Krueger and they check boxes others can't....Again the best 3rd/4th lines won the Cup and I'm not moving those two.
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bhawks2241
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 09.17.2013
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He was a guy they specifically drafted one of the top Quebec junior league golaies in his class, who was brought along slowly (he learned preparation along with on-ice improvements). Maybe you didn't hear of him but most here did, he was the guy asked to stay in the farm until ready, a luxury teams no longer have.
and NO I knew Matt Murray was cool under fire and one playoff doesn't fill a resume, as I said, teams will spent coutless hours finding the weak spots and exposing them. If you want to hold someone body parts in Pittsburgh, you can hold the entire team that was fierce in the back check and the back side pressure without
ever stopping their excellence...
I am sure these prejudices mean something to someone.
They at this juncture have 5 starters with the Czech. Please, don't take a tone with me, sonny, I resent it.
Somehow I have taken on villain's role, because I have an opinion that I can back up.
I don't think they can win one without him next year.
I'm not trying to make you out as a villain nor did I intend to make it seem like I was attacking you personally. My apologize. You are constantly saying no you're wrong that is not the solution to the Hawks problems (I know you back it up with facts and well-founded educated opinions) but you never actually provide an alternative or a solution or your opinion of what the solution is to make the Hawks a cup contender.
I understand you know the ins and outs of why they drafted Crawford and developed him etc. I sure as hell do not. I do know that tons of guys fail and never become elite players in the NHL even though teams targeted them and developed them.
Is Crawford anything more than an above average NHL goalie without Jimmy Waite and Stephane Waite?
Let's agree that no Crow lite exists and the Hawks must keep Crawford.
Who is the #4 D? TVR or Kempny? Are they good enough on the backend now to be a cup winning team?
Do you think they can win the cup next year with the roster as currently constructed? They can't add any significant pieces due to the cap.
I'd like to know what your opinion is. I think that is fair. Assuming you think the roster is not cup contending quality, how do the Hawks fix their roster to become a legitimate cup contender? |
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Al
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Location: , IL Joined: 08.11.2006
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man the leafs have 12 picks in this draft with 3 in the top 31; but they gotta alot of dead weight on that roster and their blueline =
what do they do with bernier? - bogiedoc
Not sure I would but not sure how they want to play it.
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walleyeb1
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Location: Petersburg, IL Joined: 09.25.2014
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When will we find out what the final cap is? I know the NHLPA was supposed to be meeting, but haven't seen any updates. |
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bogiedoc
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Mr Ricochet
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Location: Joliet, IL Joined: 04.19.2009
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Put a few irons in the fire.
We just signed a college FA goalie. Probably need to draft a goalie this year. Will have to see what happens in a few years there.
I’d be interested in Andersen if the leafs think he is the guy. I don’t know enough about him, but am a little uncertain. Without a NTC and the ability to negotiate his next contract, I think he’ll be pricey for a goalie.
I’m not opposed to acquiroing MAF/Crawford under the right circumstances, but I think they have to come relatively cheap. Could be good stop gaps while young goalies develop.
Not much other than reimer as a stop gap on the UFA market.
If we have to, ride bernier until next year. Might be a team forced to unload a young goalie prior to the expansion draft. Probably won’t be cheap. We’ll need to continue to accumulate picks/prospects to be in position to pay the price. - Tumbleweed
I'm an Andersen fan, close to being a big one. Great size, 26 yrs old and smooth as a babies rear end. He's an RFA and my guess is maybe get him on a bridge deal, maybe, at 4.5ish for 2 years if he thinks he can cash in as a 28 yr old for big money. ......
Thing is with expansion it will work the other way around. Young goalies will be protected or left in the minors while the vet big money guys are moved. Any vultureing will be for a Bishop or Fluery type where their club will retain some salary so they can protect Vasilevisky and Murray.
All depends on the timeline but a good option is to go with Bernier, draft in the top 5 again and look at next year for a goalie when jockying will begin in earnest with the expansion draft upon us. Should be opportunities then.
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Al
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Location: , IL Joined: 08.11.2006
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What about yesterday's signing of Cam Ward with recent trade partner Carolina? 2 year deal, $3.3 cap hit, coming off respectable year with 2.41 gaa and .909 save %. saves 2.7mill off crow's hit and is 2 years shorter. hate to lose crow but maybe that's Crow-light and a more reasonable cap hit for that position. - Section114
Ward and Crawford would have to agree...Could be in the mix if you believe Ward is a true #1 now, and also does saving $2.7 mill make it worth the risk??
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bogiedoc
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When will we find out what the final cap is? I know the NHLPA was supposed to be meeting, but haven't seen any updates. - walleyeb1
rumors are before the draft...middle of next week...players are expected to approve the escalator clause...expect the cap to be between 71.8 and 74 mildo
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John Jaeckel
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Location: www.the-rink.com Joined: 11.19.2006
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Not doubting your source but capfreindly.com has a full NMC. Same with generalfanager. - SteveRain
http://www.generalfanager.com/players/480
Modified NTC.
What I am not sure about is whether his list of eight teams are his blocks or his accepts. I was told they approached him last summer and told him they wanted him to think about it—as they might be asking him. it did not come to pass then obviously. |
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Chad Johnson on the Hawks for 3M would win 40+. - chugger38
Is it Chad Johnson or Chad Ocho Cinco? |
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