They have Sean Day going at 82? That's quite the plummet that kid pulled off. I feel bad for him but WTH, he's going to be an NHL draft pick.
- mayorofangrytown

Day is an amazing skater and has a large frame. He has some good offensive skills as well. he just doesn't see the game well at all. he jumps up into the play at weird times and just seems flat out lost on the ice at times. He is surely a project pick and will probably go in the third round.

Gauthier I have zero interest in. He's everything this team does not need: one dimensional net crasher, reliant on teammates, low hockey IQ, average skating. If you watched us get bounced in the playoffs and think THAT is what we need....well. Oh, and to the person who thought he was physical, he ain't. He's big but don't expect him to be throwing hits.

He is a player that when he is not scoring you realize just how little he often does. He scored a bunch of goals, but he only scored 7 or so in his last 26 games, I believe that stat was. And it was probably more a case of regression than just fluky unluckiness, like Konecny went through with a similar stretch early. His shot totals were low relative to other top goal scorers and his shooting % near 30 through much of the first half. And when the goals stopped, his stock started sinking. He was a lock top 10 pick after the WJC. Scoring goals can often act like a cover. When they stop, your game doesn't look so hot. His hockey sense is just lacking to me all over the ice. If that wasn't bad enough, he is one of the oldest players in the draft with a full development year on some kids. No thank you.
- Mononoke

Interesting your scouting report is pretty much the opposite of what I have read when it comes to his hockey IQ and speed. Most of what I've read says he has a high hockey IQ, is good in his own zone and an above average skater, especially for someone his size. And personally I think we need a net crasher, especially on a team that is short on that type of player, filled with playmakers who can get him the puck.

NHL Network had him at 17 last night in their first round preview.
- mayorofangrytown

Anything is possible. But I think he will be gone. Id probably rather it -- means a forward is probably there

Interesting your scouting report is pretty much the opposite of what I have read when it comes to his hockey IQ and speed. Most of what I've read says he has a high hockey IQ, is good in his own zone and an above average skater, especially for someone his size. And personally I think we need a net crasher, especially on a team that is short on that type of player, filled with playmakers who can get him the puck.
- MBFlyerfan

Idk what scouting reports you read, but most knock his hockey sense, unless you're looking at those scouting reports that always seem glowing about every player. I have seen him btw, so this is my personal estimation too.

I like my scouting reports with some negativity and flaws thrown in. I feel like a lot of scouting reports are very vanilla, he's-great-at-everything type stuff, like you'd hear from Pierre at the draft raving about every player. I mean with the way you described Gauthier as a high hockey IQ, beast on skates, who is a good skater and great in his own zone, and a great sniper......why is he slipping and slipping to 20-something?

Idk what scouting reports you read, but most knock his hockey sense, unless you're looking at those scouting reports that always seem glowing about every player. I have seen him btw, so this is my personal estimation too.

I like my scouting reports with some negativity and flaws thrown in. I feel like a lot of scouting reports are very vanilla, he's-great-at-everything type stuff. I mean with the way you described Gauthier as a high hockey IQ, beast on skates, who is a good skater and great in his own zone, and a great sniper......why is he slipping and slipping to 20-something?
- Mononoke

Who on the Flyers would you put in the top 3 and bottom 3 in terms of hockey IQ

Idk what scouting reports you read, but most knock his hockey sense, unless you're looking at those scouting reports that always seem glowing about every player. I have seen him btw, so this is my personal estimation too.

I like my scouting reports with some negativity and flaws thrown in. I feel like a lot of scouting reports are very vanilla, he's-great-at-everything type stuff, like you'd hear from Pierre at the draft raving about every player. I mean with the way you described Gauthier as a high hockey IQ, beast on skates, who is a good skater and great in his own zone, and a great sniper......why is he slipping and slipping to 20-something?
- Mononoke

I like to only pay attention to player comparables

Who on the Flyers would you put in the top 3 and bottom 3 in terms of hockey IQ
- YuenglingJagr

That's too easy. Clearly the bottom guys in the pecking order would tend to be lower. Here's who I find high IQ: Coots, G, Jake, Ghost, Cousins, Read, Raffl

Simmonds is strange. I don't think he's an all around high IQ player....but his offensive IQ I deem pretty good. I find Schenn to not be the highest hockey sense player, but he is OK I guess. Laughton is disappointing in that regard imo.

There's players with sky high offensive IQ and average defensive IQ. There's players who are more well rounded. With a player like Max Jones, I find his defense IQ absolutely fine. Not a worry....hustle and skating make up 80% of defense anyway. I find his offensive IQ, given that he is billed as a PWF offensive player, a little worrisome. He doesn't read the play very well. It's why he is so rush dependent. I see it every time I have watched him....then you watch Bellows. He knows what Keller is doing exactly when Keller does. He knows where to be and what the play is going to or should be. It's just very high offensive IQ. Went on a tangent there.

I like to only pay attention to player comparables
- YuenglingJagr

Luke Kunin is Pavelski-like

Day is an amazing skater and has a large frame. He has some good offensive skills as well. he just doesn't see the game well at all. he jumps up into the play at weird times and just seems flat out lost on the ice at times. He is surely a project pick and will probably go in the third round.
- TheGhost_isBare

That's why I have no interest in him, at least not where some team will draft him. I preach drafting players with skills and potential in every round, even late. But Sean Day can be dumber than a bag of rinaldos. I see the skill but not the potential. People get too wrapped up that he's a world class skater imo....if the other stuff is not there, then what is the point of being a great skater? I'd rather you be high IQ and an average skater.

That's too easy. Clearly the bottom guys in the pecking order would tend to be lower. Here's who I find high IQ: Coots, G, Jake, Ghost, Cousins, Read, Raffl

Simmonds is strange. I don't think he's an all around high IQ player....but his offensive IQ I deem pretty good. I find Schenn to not be the highest hockey sense player, but he is OK I guess. Laughton is disappointing in that regard imo.

There's players with sky high offensive IQ and average defensive IQ. There's players who are more well rounded. With a player like Max Jones, I find his defense IQ absolutely fine. Not a worry....hustle and skating make up 80% of defense anyway. I find his offensive IQ, given that he is billed as a PWF offensive player, a little worrisome. He doesn't read the play very well. It's why he is so rush dependent. I see it every time I have watched him....then you watch Bellows. He knows what Keller is doing exactly when Keller does. He knows where to be and what the play is going to or should be. It's just very high offensive IQ. Went on a tangent there.
- Mononoke

I should rephrase my question...how would you rank Chris Vandeveldes hockey IQ

Idk what scouting reports you read, but most knock his hockey sense, unless you're looking at those scouting reports that always seem glowing about every player. I have seen him btw, so this is my personal estimation too.

I like my scouting reports with some negativity and flaws thrown in. I feel like a lot of scouting reports are very vanilla, he's-great-at-everything type stuff, like you'd hear from Pierre at the draft raving about every player. I mean with the way you described Gauthier as a high hockey IQ, beast on skates, who is a good skater and great in his own zone, and a great sniper......why is he slipping and slipping to 20-something?
- Mononoke

Well, I searched his name. And pretty much the top 6 hits.


http://www.hockeywilderne...a-wild-forward-right-wing

http://www.stanleycupofch...ier-val-dor-boston-bruins

http://www.thedraftanalys...rospects/julien-gauthier/

http://thehockeywriters.c...er-canadiens-draft-radar/

http://www.allaboutthejer...hl-draft-prospect-profile

http://www.thehockeynews....uthier-gets-us-pumped-up/

I should rephrase my question...how would you rank Chris Vandeveldes hockey IQ
- YuenglingJagr

Could his IQ be any worse than his faceoff %?

They have Sean Day going at 82? That's quite the plummet that kid pulled off. I feel bad for him but WTH, he's going to be an NHL draft pick.
- mayorofangrytown

In NHL 16, he's a top-5 pick.

Could his IQ be any worse than his faceoff %?
- DeflatedPucks

I really am not sure what his IQ % is

Could his IQ be any worse than his faceoff %?
- DeflatedPucks

As a winger who took a grand total of 21 faceoffs, no, I don't think his IQ is below 29.

FWIW, Crosby's faceoff % is 51.7%, an IQ that would translate to "feeble-mindedness."

Well, I searched his name. And pretty much the top 6 hits.


http://www.hockeywilderne...a-wild-forward-right-wing

http://www.stanleycupofch...ier-val-dor-boston-bruins

http://www.thedraftanalys...rospects/julien-gauthier/

http://thehockeywriters.c...er-canadiens-draft-radar/

http://www.allaboutthejer...hl-draft-prospect-profile

http://www.thehockeynews....uthier-gets-us-pumped-up/
- MBFlyerfan

At a skim, all those sites seem to be basing their information off most of the same sources. Most of those feel very second hand too. Like they aren't really scouting reports but reports of scouting reports. You'll find fans of his no doubt. I'm not exactly one of them. There's a reason he's been slipping, and I'm not sure those glowing reports address it. I'm just not a fan of scouting reports that are rainbows and sunshine snapshots. Every player has flaws outside the select few. I like to hear more about their game than superlatives.

As a winger who took a grand total of 21 faceoffs, no, I don't think his IQ is below 29.
- jmatchett383

He graduated with a degree in "recreation and tourism." Don't be so sure.

He graduated with a degree in "recreation and tourism." Don't be so sure.
- Mononoke

I'm pretty sure.

I'm pretty sure.
- jmatchett383

Hakstol wrote all his papers.

I should rephrase my question...how would you rank Chris Vandeveldes hockey IQ
- YuenglingJagr

Bro, I feel like you're being really flippant. I'm pouring my heart out in these posts.

Bro, I feel like you're being really flippant. I'm pouring my heart out in these posts.
- Mononoke

rinaldos post just got me started on a downward spiral from the get go

despite how disingenuous my posts may seem, i really was trying to get an idea of how you judge hockey IQ. All of your posts regarding prospects seem to revolve around it TBH and to me it borders along the lines of subjective and cliche. Its a hockeyism in a lot of ways, even though it is important

Well, I searched his name. And pretty much the top 6 hits.
- MBFlyerfan

I didn't even realize Broad Street Hockey posted a Gauthier article on their site today, like many of the links you provided. The writer, who posts similar articles on a bunch of prospects, acts like an expert on his game, but right in the middle he adds this nugget, "Looking over some clips"....really lol? If you look at what he writes, everything seems generic too. Or he's good defensively because of his penalty minutes and whatnot. Pretty misleading if you ask me. He's just looking at some YouTube clips and making some generic comments or copying others without quotes.

I'm not saying Gauthier will bust or anything. He will score goals in tight I'm sure. I'm saying that even if he hits, he's not the type of player I have interest in.

rinaldos post just got me started on a downward spiral from the get go

despite how disingenuous my posts may seem, i really was trying to get an idea of how you judge hockey IQ. All of your posts regarding prospects seem to revolve around it TBH and to me it borders along the lines of subjective and cliche. Its a hockeyism in a lot of ways, even though it is important
- YuenglingJagr

This sounds like the justification of a man with a low hockey IQ.

I didn't even realize Broad Street Hockey posted a Gauthier article on their site today, like many of the links you provided. The writer, who posts similar articles on a bunch of prospects, acts like an expert on his game, but right in the middle he adds this nugget, "Looking over some clips"....really lol? If you look at what he writes, everything seems generic too. Or he's good defensively because of his penalty minutes and whatnot. Pretty misleading if you ask me. He's just looking at some YouTube clips and making some generic comments or copying others without quotes.

I'm not saying Gauthier will bust or anything. He will score goals in tight I'm sure. I'm saying that even if he hits, he's not the type of player I have interest in.
- Mononoke

DJ Umberthier

I really am not sure what his IQ % is
- YuenglingJagr

nah I meant iq percentile